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Free Agency in the NBA is a colossal failure
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Pike
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7/9/2003  10:58 AM
As someone said in a previous thread, everybody wants to play out west... get their ring... after all, the money is the same. The first prerequisite of course is, does the team have the cash to pay? If so, I want to play on the Lakers, or the Spurs or get invited to Mark Cuban's house... okay, well maybe not the latter but, pretty soon, there might be the need for two leagues, the haves, basically the west, and the have nots, basically the east. Are there exceptions, yeah... a potential MEGA star like LeBron James and his skills could do it in Cleveland in addition to luring potential Laker and Spur free agents to come. However, a team like the Heat have little to no chance of even landing Alonzo Mourning.

It really has gotten ridiculous... nobody except the "smart" Spurs have CAP room but, the mid level exception of close to five million gives the better teams a chance to land excellent players... some actually willing to take less (unheard of) to get their ring... of course, making tens of millions a year enables many to take a slightly shorter haircut in the twilight of their career ala Gary Payton.

No, free agencey with the CAP and MAX salaries is a colossal failure... pretty soon they'll be division A and division B... the rich get richer, the poor get poorer.
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7/9/2003  11:19 AM
In my opinion there has been a division A and a division B ever since Jordan and the Bulls disbanded. There really isnt much that can be done to fix the problem. These guys are competitive, they want to win so the West has the best opportunities. Detroit will have a solid lineup next season so the East wont be totally dead but things arent looking good. The balance of power will eventually shift back after the east gets a few years worth of top talent draft picks. It will take some time though. Right now is definitely all Western conference.
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7/9/2003  11:24 AM
I disagree. Professional sports is cyclic. In the 80s to the mid 90s the East had the upper hand. Teams like the Bulls, Pistons, Celtics, Knicks, Orlando(Shaq and Penny), Cavaliers(Daughrtey, Price, Nance), Atlanta(Nique), Miami(Riley), Bucks(Terry Cummings, Sikma, Moncrief) were all running roughshod over the West.

Same with the NFL. The NFC East were great then became the NFC Least and now they are back.

It is hard to stay on top due to age and because you select in the lower part of the draft.

Don't worry, the East will rule again.

In regards with the CAP and MAX salaries, I agree. The NBA should use the hard cap that the NFL uses. Also, you should be able to terminate a contract ala the NFL with a minor cap penalty. This way the team can get out of bad contract decisions faster.

Just my 2 cents.
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7/9/2003  11:26 AM
i agree with oasis, the east and west play by the same free agency rules and cap room. the east just made bad investments. while we were doling out 20 million to pay ewing, jerry west was clearing cap room to get shaq.

just funny the last 5 years no team in the nba or wnba has even been close
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7/9/2003  11:30 AM
but, i like you pike dislike the soft cap in the nba

the nfl has the best cap scenario, where you can cut players. yes you still take some cap hit but it's a lot more flexible, and thats why you see true parity in the NFL.

funny the nba instructed these cap rules to help out parity (amongst other reasons) but we all know next year which 4 teams will be the best in the league. every one except the indiana pacer fan.
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7/9/2003  11:32 AM
Once you get in a hole... you are held captive by the few players you have... look at the Knicks overpaying Houston by at least thirty million... but you are right, mismanagement under the current CBA is death and team like the Knicks pay dearly for their mistakes.

All I'm saying is the system hasn't worked as it was originally intended... to level the playing field... if anything, the opposite effect has taken place.
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7/9/2003  11:34 AM
... 100% correct about the NFL.

Non guaranteed contracts is part of the reason they're so successful. That'll never fly in the NBA or MLB.
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7/9/2003  11:39 AM
Posted by ARES:

i agree with oasis, the east and west play by the same free agency rules and cap room. the east just made bad investments. while we were doling out 20 million to pay ewing, jerry west was clearing cap room to get shaq.

just funny the last 5 years no team in the nba or wnba has even been close

There are exceptions to every rule. Not every GMs are created equally. The Jerry West, Popovich, Thorn and the Kiki of this world doesn't come around that often. A lot of times you are stuck with guys like Layden at the helm.
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7/9/2003  11:42 AM
ny bocker, the west was better back then the 80's best team was the la lakers, and in the 90's the bulls made the east appear dominate, but any time the bulls werent in the finals they loss. the knicks ,orlando and pacers??? None of these teams were championship teams, especially the knicks and orlando. the best teams in the west were superior to the knicks, indy and orlando.

knick fan the 90's knicks was a good team real good they played real hard, but was never talented enough to score enough to be the best. like todays knicks they played guys out of position and had offensive flawed players. these guys were a championship mirage, they benefitted from playing in a weak, conference. outside of the bulls the east was mediore. the pacers, they played hard as well but if you look up and down that team you would find huge flaws in all those guys. Orlando may have had the best balance but they were green.
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7/9/2003  11:44 AM
couldn't say your last post any better.

it all starts at the top. look at the mets. 120 million dollar payroll.

This is the problem we all know it, layden pays good players frachise money and pays bad players real good player money.

sucks man.
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7/9/2003  11:47 AM
you mentioned kiki

man kiki was getting killed this timelast year

especially by my man pike

but damn are they sitting pretty now huh

hilario, anthony, cap room, thin air and the camby man.
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7/9/2003  11:48 AM
Posted by Pike:

... 100% correct about the NFL.

Non guaranteed contracts is part of the reason they're so successful. That'll never fly in the NBA or MLB.

Yup. The Players Union for the NBA and MLB are just too strong.
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7/9/2003  11:52 AM
Posted by ARES:

i agree with oasis, the east and west play by the same free agency rules and cap room. the east just made bad investments. while we were doling out 20 million to pay ewing, jerry west was clearing cap room to get shaq.

just funny the last 5 years no team in the nba or wnba has even been close

groooannn

Forget Ewing, Ice! While the Knicks were signing Housless to a ridiculously undeserved monster contract, Jerry West was clearing cap room...
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7/9/2003  11:52 AM
Don't "fabricate", ARES. I was a PROPONENT of Kiki's rebuilding efforts from day one.
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7/9/2003  11:53 AM
Posted by ARES:

you mentioned kiki

man kiki was getting killed this timelast year

especially by my man pike

but damn are they sitting pretty now huh

hilario, anthony, cap room, thin air and the camby man.

Gotta love that lounge act he did when he was introducing the trade last year. Like Kenny "The Jet" said..."It looked like he was getting ready to sing."
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7/9/2003  11:55 AM
I'm just tired of seeing all the good atlethes going some where else and seeeing all these hard working workman like cant make a layup new york knick team.

You know we been watching clutz if kenny walker a hig jumping clutz got pub for his athleticism. yeah he can jump but he cant do other stuff atletic ballers could like run, and definetly running while dribbling.

after years of wathing one arm two guards getting Allan houston was like a complete change in philosphy and even he cant dribble to his left. same with spree. and both of there handles are better than all 6 of our point guards.

I want a lebron i want a Anthony, I want a TMAC, I want a Kobe I want a Garnett. DAMN!
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7/9/2003  11:57 AM
pike you wasn't part of the crew calling Kiki a complete idiot??

lemme refresh you

you were down on him for taking Camby, and Howard , in your words the most overrated player in the nba.

do you let some one else post as pike??

maybe that is the problem
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7/9/2003  12:11 PM
pike in a way the system HAS worked

most teams in the NBA that want to be good get good.

when the Kings and Dallas got new ownership they got Good in a hurry.

The lakers had a couiple of down years and got good again

The knicks don't want to win. so they wont win, they just want a playoff series or two for the money.

Same with the clippers, same with Atlanta.
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7/9/2003  12:13 PM
Howard was the most overpaid player in the league and I was on Camby because I knew he could last twenty minutes on the court without suffering an injury... but I realized what Kiki was trying to accomplish and wrote many posts saying how much brighter Denver's future was to our own... under the name Pike... not Ice, Icavelli, Machiavelli or ARES... only these people could "twist the night away"... whatever you say, man.
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7/9/2003  12:15 PM
Saying the Knicks don't want to win is nonsense... Dolan and Layden might be complete incompetent morons but, they want to win... Steve Phillips wanted to win... the fore-mentioned are merely stupid.
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