8-11 19 points 8 reb
5-8 20 points 5 reb 2 blocks 2 ast
8-13 23 points 4 reb 1 ast
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21-32 20.7 5.7 1 ast .7 block 65.6% from the field and has commanded double teaming

We did not win--but we were very competitive in all 3 games against good opponents. This is more of what we saw in 2006.

If you add in an athletic big man who can compliment Lee and Curry with much needed shot-blocking--an additional wing guard who provides firepower and defense and a real good defensive guard who can also knock down a shot[too bad Mardy cant hit the side of a barn because he's a good defender==maybe if he can over the summer he can have an epiphany.

This has to be considered a lost year--destroyed by a dubious trade that wrecked team balance and chemistry. Now to take a positive from a negative--perhaps this year they can evaluate what we need to add to what we have in an effective way and stay away from starphucking we have done every year---i.e trade max contract player for max contract player who is older. Stay away from Ron Artest--let David Lee and Jamal be the captains and be smart and aggresive adding the pieces we need to improve significantly. I don't know how we can get rid of zach but if there is a team who wants a 20-10 PF who thinks they can fit him in----Ill take any expiring contract:)

I think your idea makes sense as a plausible approach, but I wouldn't count on much support from folks here, and I have certainly not Curry's biggest fan this year.

Major FUBAR by Zeke, the world re-known duplicity expert

i think Curry is a much better fit on this team than Zach, sorry to say to those who sniff on Zach's jock 24/7... w/D Lee's rebounding at the PF position & the way he plays off the ball, i think if i had to choose 1, i'd hold onto Curry & let Zach go.

that said, i'd really rather just replace Curry w/a defensive C who can block shots & give Wilson Chandler more playing time next season & hopefully draft a PG who can become the leader this team desperately needs.

Posted by TMS:

i think Curry is a much better fit on this team than Zach, sorry to say to those who sniff on Zach's jock 24/7... w/D Lee's rebounding at the PF position & the way he plays off the ball, i think if i had to choose 1, i'd hold onto Curry & let Zach go.

that said, i'd really rather just replace Curry w/a defensive C who can block shots & give Wilson Chandler more playing time next season & hopefully draft a PG who can become the leader this team desperately needs.

Thats just nasty! Again upside down world of Knick fans we blew this Detroit team out with Zach on the court but of course that wasn't a good game but last night's loss was. Its funny that people try to look for some reason or some explanation as to why the Knicks lose. Briggs you can try and try again but there is no winning combination on this team particularly with Isiah Thomas stalking up and down the sideline. So the Knicks will continue to lose and lose regardless of whose playing or whose not playing on this roster. But if your just looking for another thread to create blaming Zach then have at it but its just foolish because none of these games are providing anything different from what we've seen already.

The fact of the matter is that the ball movement is way better also the spacing. There aren't two guys fighting for the post or one way fighting in there with the other just standing around doing nada. Zach is decent player but he is way too selfish and I think he rubs his teammates the wrong way at times. At this point last season we all thought that we were getting it going, then the injuries and then the trade, which is just like the JETS square peg in round hole philosophy(3-4 defense with 4-3 personnel) bringing another guy come in who demands the ball was just stupid. But this is what Thomas does

Posted by bitty41:

Posted by TMS:

i think Curry is a much better fit on this team than Zach, sorry to say to those who sniff on Zach's jock 24/7... w/D Lee's rebounding at the PF position & the way he plays off the ball, i think if i had to choose 1, i'd hold onto Curry & let Zach go.

that said, i'd really rather just replace Curry w/a defensive C who can block shots & give Wilson Chandler more playing time next season & hopefully draft a PG who can become the leader this team desperately needs.

Thats just nasty! Again upside down world of Knick fans we blew this Detroit team out with Zach on the court but of course that wasn't a good game but last night's loss was. Its funny that people try to look for some reason or some explanation as to why the Knicks lose. Briggs you can try and try again but there is no winning combination on this team particularly with Isiah Thomas stalking up and down the sideline. So the Knicks will continue to lose and lose regardless of whose playing or whose not playing on this roster. But if your just looking for another thread to create blaming Zach then have at it but its just foolish because none of these games are providing anything different from what we've seen already.

I'm not calling Zach a bad player----Im saying he's a bad fit with this team. This team is not terrible --it has improved while still losing since the beginning of the year when we were swamped so many times. I like how the Red Sox manage the team personell--they use a number system and we can use that here as well to enhance player acquisition. Obviously things like heart character and skill set all add into that equation. I think if you remove

A.a player who is shooting 35% for 28 minutes per game with one that shoots 45% and can yield similar defense and reboudning numbers--you have a significant net % gain---more effecient scorers also equal less rebounds and fast breaking opportunities.

Zach is a player who just doesnt fit with the current crop. If your goal is to build around Zach[someone has to play somewhere--i dont think bonn is going to get his wiush of releasing everyone? So you poick the team that makes the most sense to go with and the best way to enhance it. The team from 2006 was a fiesty team that wouldve made the playoffs if Jamal didnt get hurt. We have seen signs of that team in the last 3 games. We have not seen the good play we received from Balkman in 2006[which was a conduit] and we are thin at the guard position and have no 3 we can count on---the hope is Chandler/Balkman/Jefferies develops or we get lucky and get Beasley.
Anyway I think if we make smart changes and try to set goals as being 500 for the year-stop trying to do what the Celtics did[almost unheard of going from x-a[and there is no KG coming here] Play the hand you were dealt and try to enhance it and if it truly fails no huge contracts were added and in the next two years if we have to sfrap it--it can be scrapped

I think the team can make a go of it with Curry. But he needs a compliment of a defensive presence next to him. I like Lee but I am willing to part ways with him if they can get a dynamic athletic PF that can cover up mistakes on the defensive side. Ideal players to place around Curry would be someone like Camby, Wallace or if you are looking to get younger I'd have to say someone like Sean Williams. In this draft I think if the Knicks get a chance they need to address their need for a superstar badly. Beasley would be the guy but if they can't land him Rose is the next guy I'm targeting. If they somehow can make moves to get another lottery pick then I can see the Knicks getting a very good team going. I think there are teams that will be interested in Zach, Lee and Crawford those are the guys Knicks need to move for picks. Ideal draft would be if the Knicks land the number 1 and pick Beasley, trade crawford and lee to get another lottery pick, pick Bayless and trade Randolph and Nate or Balkman for a mid to late teen pick and picking Jason Thompson a shot blocker that would compliment Curry.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by bitty41:

Posted by TMS:

i think Curry is a much better fit on this team than Zach, sorry to say to those who sniff on Zach's jock 24/7... w/D Lee's rebounding at the PF position & the way he plays off the ball, i think if i had to choose 1, i'd hold onto Curry & let Zach go.

that said, i'd really rather just replace Curry w/a defensive C who can block shots & give Wilson Chandler more playing time next season & hopefully draft a PG who can become the leader this team desperately needs.

Thats just nasty! Again upside down world of Knick fans we blew this Detroit team out with Zach on the court but of course that wasn't a good game but last night's loss was. Its funny that people try to look for some reason or some explanation as to why the Knicks lose. Briggs you can try and try again but there is no winning combination on this team particularly with Isiah Thomas stalking up and down the sideline. So the Knicks will continue to lose and lose regardless of whose playing or whose not playing on this roster. But if your just looking for another thread to create blaming Zach then have at it but its just foolish because none of these games are providing anything different from what we've seen already.

I'm not calling Zach a bad player----Im saying he's a bad fit with this team. This team is not terrible --it has improved while still losing since the beginning of the year when we were swamped so many times. I like how the Red Sox manage the team personell--they use a number system and we can use that here as well to enhance player acquisition. Obviously things like heart character and skill set all add into that equation. I think if you remove

A.a player who is shooting 35% for 28 minutes per game with one that shoots 45% and can yield similar defense and reboudning numbers--you have a significant net % gain---more effecient scorers also equal less rebounds and fast breaking opportunities.

Zach is a player who just doesnt fit with the current crop. If your goal is to build around Zach[someone has to play somewhere--i dont think bonn is going to get his wiush of releasing everyone?

Over a period of maybe two years the next GM should be able to completely revamp the roster. Isiah had zero Layden players left after two years. Hopefully the next GM will have zero Isiah players other than Lee and maybe a couple of rookies after 2 years.

This team is not even winning games yet people think we are better off with Curry than Zach? I don't see it. The whole purpose of playing a game is to win. If the team is not winning we can not be better.

I also think people are not including that Q is playing less do to the fact that Chandler is getting more minutes. Why is that not included into this, "We are better without Zach" equation? Curry does not even not even put an effort on the floor. If Zach was not in the NBA you would still be able to find him somewhere playing ball. Curry on the other hand would be at Sugar Shack eating pancakes with barbacue sauce with meatloaf cake. Curry could careless about playing basketball. He is just going through the motions.

[Edited by - BigC on 03-08-2008 1:25 PM]

Posted by bitty41:

Curry can average more points 10+% points higher and do it within a flow of a team-orientated concept. While Zach is a superior rebounder--his offensive game does not come within a team concept--he is free flow--shoot anywhere anytime

Quick name a winning center who averaged less then 6 rebounds?

Luc Longley?

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 03-08-2008 1:35 PM]