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I will tell you who has been playing VERY good --J R Smith
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3/8/2008  2:31 AM
He seems to have matured into the NBA lifestyle after coming out way to young. He's been really coming into his own off the bench and is shooting nearly 45% with a very high PER. He shooting 42% from 3 point land and imho-he has the body and skills to become a better rebounder and passer as he matures into his prime. Denver CANNOT match a 4 years 20 mm$ deal and he would bring in assets that we really need in terms of firepower from the guard spot. At 22 years old--this is a very good investment imho. You can't hold immature actions of a 19-21 year old agaiunst him--but rtaher concentrate on what he is doing now and he sure has been doing a lot. I think he is just going to get better and if you look at the rancid MLE's we have spent---this is good money and smart business in a position of need. That way we can defintely go big in the draft--very hard to get big men and we are going to need a guy who can do things between Lee and Curry.
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3/8/2008  2:49 AM

JR Smith is a restricted free after this year...Josh Smith(a certerfied nut) is a restricted free agent after this year....Shaun Livingston is a restricted free agent after this year...Let's rebuild MSG style....
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3/8/2008  3:04 AM
Posted by holfresh:


JR Smith is a restricted free after this year...Josh Smith(a certerfied nut) is a restricted free agent after this year....Shaun Livingston is a restricted free agent after this year...Let's rebuild MSG style....

Denver cannot match a 5mm $ offer to JR with their present salary structure.
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3/8/2008  3:19 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by holfresh:


JR Smith is a restricted free after this year...Josh Smith(a certerfied nut) is a restricted free agent after this year....Shaun Livingston is a restricted free agent after this year...Let's rebuild MSG style....

Denver cannot match a 5mm $ offer to JR with their present salary structure.

I don't think Denver wants him anymore...You might be able to get him cheaper...He signed with Denver for about 1 mil per last year...I would love to see the Knicks try and rebuild with these guys in mind and a few draft picks...Buyout Marbs,JJ1,JJ2,Trade Curry,Trade Jamal,trade Zach all for pick and buyouts,trade Lee for Josh Smith...Get Livingston forNate and pray he stay healthy...Trade Balk,Ill Will can take his place...We need to make some big moves...



[Edited by - holfresh on 03-08-2008 03:20 AM]
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3/8/2008  5:40 AM
Jamal's better... we don't need a player like JR Smith.
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3/8/2008  6:56 AM
better at what? (You must have something other than "basketball" in mind.)

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 03-08-2008 06:57 AM]
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3/8/2008  7:39 AM
I'm down for getting JR Smith. If its possible the Knicks have to do it. That kids time is now.

I'm down for trading whoever, though Jamal, Smith and his sparing partner Nate would make a dynamic backcourt.

Chandler is a strong cat and good defensively and on the boards. If he can make a nice jump next season that would only benifit the Knicks. Knicks probably still need a skilled vet to play either in front or behind him.

Then the Knicks have to decide who they keep, eddy or Zach.....and whether david is worth keeping to be either zachs back up for now or eddys sidekick.
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3/8/2008  10:13 AM
Posted by TMS:

Jamal's better... we don't need a player like JR Smith.

I have to respectfully disagree with you here. I'd been the Knicks to go after JR since his problems with Byron Scott in N.O.

Smith is a legit 2g, 6'6 220. He's a much better finisher going to the rim than Jamal, he's younger, more athletic and shoots the 3's at a much better clip than Jamal. Smith is shooting 42% from 3 while Jamal is at 34%.

As I said, JR is a natural 2, and with the right point guard next to him, he can be dynamic.

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Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by TMS:

Jamal's better... we don't need a player like JR Smith.

I have to respectfully disagree with you here. I'd been the Knicks to go after JR since his problems with Byron Scott in N.O.

Smith is a legit 2g, 6'6 220. He's a much better finisher going to the rim than Jamal, he's younger, more athletic and shoots the 3's at a much better clip than Jamal. Smith is shooting 42% from 3 while Jamal is at 34%.

As I said, JR is a natural 2, and with the right point guard next to him, he can be dynamic.
JR is also much younger. I think the absolute worst case scenario would be that by year 7, he's a comparable player to Jamal. That would basically mean he doesn't improve his overall game (and actually worsens his shooting %).
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3/8/2008  11:49 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by TMS:

Jamal's better... we don't need a player like JR Smith.

I have to respectfully disagree with you here. I'd been the Knicks to go after JR since his problems with Byron Scott in N.O.

Smith is a legit 2g, 6'6 220. He's a much better finisher going to the rim than Jamal, he's younger, more athletic and shoots the 3's at a much better clip than Jamal. Smith is shooting 42% from 3 while Jamal is at 34%.

As I said, JR is a natural 2, and with the right point guard next to him, he can be dynamic.
JR is also much younger. I think the absolute worst case scenario would be that by year 7, he's a comparable player to Jamal. That would basically mean he doesn't improve his overall game (and actually worsens his shooting %).

It's not a matter of who is better--it's amatter of a role being filled which will hopefully enhance Jamal's play by adding a guard who brings a good % game and additionally spaces the floor. I would expect both players to be able to increase FG% by getting better looks with wider lanes provided by extra spacing.
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3/8/2008  11:51 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by TMS:

Jamal's better... we don't need a player like JR Smith.

I have to respectfully disagree with you here. I'd been the Knicks to go after JR since his problems with Byron Scott in N.O.

Smith is a legit 2g, 6'6 220. He's a much better finisher going to the rim than Jamal, he's younger, more athletic and shoots the 3's at a much better clip than Jamal. Smith is shooting 42% from 3 while Jamal is at 34%.

As I said, JR is a natural 2, and with the right point guard next to him, he can be dynamic.
JR is also much younger. I think the absolute worst case scenario would be that by year 7, he's a comparable player to Jamal. That would basically mean he doesn't improve his overall game (and actually worsens his shooting %).

It's not a matter of who is better--it's amatter of a role being filled which will hopefully enhance Jamal's play by adding a guard who brings a good % game and additionally spaces the floor. I would expect both players to be able to increase FG% by getting better looks with wider lanes provided by extra spacing.

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3/8/2008  12:16 PM
Posted by TMS:

Jamal's better... we don't need a player like JR Smith.

You think that only because Smith is behind 2 prolific scorers. Put JR on the Knicks, and he does a better job of controlling his shots, and shoots a higher percentage.
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3/8/2008  2:05 PM
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by TMS:

Jamal's better... we don't need a player like JR Smith.

You think that only because Smith is behind 2 prolific scorers. Put JR on the Knicks, and he does a better job of controlling his shots, and shoots a higher percentage.

I actually think his percentage would drop- AI & everyone opens up a lot of wide open looks.

He comes here- he is going to be part of the focus on offense and defense- so, more shots, more bad shots- lower percentage.
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Posted by franco12:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by TMS:

Jamal's better... we don't need a player like JR Smith.

You think that only because Smith is behind 2 prolific scorers. Put JR on the Knicks, and he does a better job of controlling his shots, and shoots a higher percentage.

I actually think his percentage would drop- AI & everyone opens up a lot of wide open looks.

He comes here- he is going to be part of the focus on offense and defense- so, more shots, more bad shots- lower percentage.

Not to mention that simle joining the Knicks makes players suck automatically.
That's why we need a star - he will degrade only to good player not to scrab level.



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3/8/2008  3:13 PM
Right now I'd take J.R. Smith and wouldn't think twice.
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3/8/2008  6:51 PM
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by TMS:

Jamal's better... we don't need a player like JR Smith.

You think that only because Smith is behind 2 prolific scorers. Put JR on the Knicks, and he does a better job of controlling his shots, and shoots a higher percentage.

no, i think that because i consider Jamal to be the more talented playmaker & shotmaker... JR may shoot at a higher clip but i'll take Jamal down the stretch in any game.
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Posted by Bonn1997:

better at what? (You must have something other than "basketball" in mind.)

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 03-08-2008 06:57 AM]

i have no idea wtf that's supposed to mean but maybe u should try reading the comment i wrote above & stop trying to instigate another argument.
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3/8/2008  6:58 PM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by TMS:

Jamal's better... we don't need a player like JR Smith.

You think that only because Smith is behind 2 prolific scorers. Put JR on the Knicks, and he does a better job of controlling his shots, and shoots a higher percentage.

I actually think his percentage would drop- AI & everyone opens up a lot of wide open looks.

He comes here- he is going to be part of the focus on offense and defense- so, more shots, more bad shots- lower percentage.

agree. present teams make-up could very well turn him into Q2 minus the effort on D
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3/11/2008  7:59 AM
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Posted by franco12:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by TMS:

Jamal's better... we don't need a player like JR Smith.

You think that only because Smith is behind 2 prolific scorers. Put JR on the Knicks, and he does a better job of controlling his shots, and shoots a higher percentage.

I actually think his percentage would drop- AI & everyone opens up a lot of wide open looks.

He comes here- he is going to be part of the focus on offense and defense- so, more shots, more bad shots- lower percentage.

agree. present teams make-up could very well turn him into Q2 minus the effort on D

No way--if you have beeen watching him--he has been playing as good as anyone on that team. He's really coming into his own. How many chances do you get to acquire a very athletic tremendously skilled 22 year old 6-6 225 G who is just coming into his own---and we are in dire need of a big guard. If he was a senior at NC we'd be talking about him going 1-2-3. This is the type of player the MLE money was made for.
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3/11/2008  8:35 AM
JR in a contract year might have matured, or he is just keeping it down.

Bring him to NYC (jersey is hometown) and maybe he grows up, or maybe he becomes JRBury.

Unless your clearing out Crawford and bringing in a LEADER at the point, then WHY?
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