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Zach / Jamal trade for T-Mac in the offseason : feasible or no?
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3/5/2008  11:19 PM
Zach, Jamal, Nate & Balk to HOU for T-Mac, Jackie Butler & Justin Reed (expiring fillers)

dollars match up... do u think HOU would consider it?

that would leave us w/$33 mil of cap relief in 2010 & an upgrade at the SG position along w/a legitimate shot at targetting a Lebron, Kobe or Wade when they become eligible to opt out of their current deals... gives HOU an upgrade at the PF & PG positions to compete w/the stacked teams of the West next year, along w/2 hi energy solid bench players in Nate & Balk... also gives Gerald Greene more of an opportunity to see some minutes at the SG position.

C - Curry / Butler / Turd
PF - Lee / Morris (LLE) / Malik
SF - Chandler / Jefferies / Reed
SG - T-Mac / Q Rich / Mardy
PG - Rose or Gordon (lottery pick) / Duhon or Udrih (MLE)

(buyout Marbs)

still gotta find a way to unload Curry on some team out there looking for some low post scoring, but it's a start at least.

if not a trade like this, are there ANY players out there w/less years remaining that we can realistically trade for in exchange for Zach's bloated deal? throw some names my way.
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3/5/2008  11:20 PM
No they would not do it because Isiah does not run the Rockets.
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3/5/2008  11:23 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

No they would not do it because Isiah does not run the Rockets.

talent wise i think HOU gets the much better end of the deal... it's the cap space i'm after... anyone else out there we can realistically trade Zach for that's got less years remaining on their deals? JO? someone else? ANYONE????

[Edited by - TMS on 03-05-2008 8:24 PM]
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3/5/2008  11:32 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

No they would not do it because Isiah does not run the Rockets.

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It simply makes no sense for them to do it. The trade itself is doable in Playstation format, on paper, and numbers match up.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 03-05-2008 10:33 PM]
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3/5/2008  11:34 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by GKFv2:

No they would not do it because Isiah does not run the Rockets.

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It simply makes no sense for them to do it. The trade itself is doable in Playstation format, on paper, and numbers match up.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 03-05-2008 10:33 PM]

True, aren't u the one who said trading Zach for expirings & picks was a feasible option?

let's hear those options then, i'm all ears & ready to engage any possibilities at this point.

[Edited by - TMS on 03-05-2008 8:35 PM]
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3/6/2008  12:51 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by GKFv2:

No they would not do it because Isiah does not run the Rockets.

+Infinity

It simply makes no sense for them to do it. The trade itself is doable in Playstation format, on paper, and numbers match up.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 03-05-2008 10:33 PM]

True, aren't u the one who said trading Zach for expirings & picks was a feasible option?

let's hear those options then, i'm all ears & ready to engage any possibilities at this point.

[Edited by - TMS on 03-05-2008 8:35 PM]


The time to move him was at the deadline but our GM said he wouldn't give Zach or EY away for expirings. Playoffs were still attainable to our F-WAD GM so as of now I think we're stuck with him until next yr's deadline. Zach is in shutdown mode and so is his trade value.
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3/6/2008  12:57 AM
i wouldn't give them all that thier going to lose in the first round and want to trade him anyway
him or big china
odds are he goes
no one else will take him and that contract
i say only offer xbo and a cap filler like rose or qbrick
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3/6/2008  1:01 AM
i wouldn't give them all that thier going to lose in the first round and want to trade him anyway
him or big china
odds are he goes
no one else will take him and that contract
i say only offer xbo and a cap filler like rose or qbrick
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3/6/2008  1:09 AM
i dont see the rocket diong that trade but i do think jamal will be a valuable
trade asset this offeseaon i think jamal would be better suited in a place where he not the first or second option
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3/6/2008  2:01 AM
i agree w/u about Jamal... he would do great on a team playing next to a legitimate star #1 guy... i think he's a valuable trade chip too, but i would trade him for Andre Miller's expiring if i could... we really need to clear cap in 2010.
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3/6/2008  6:29 AM
The same reasons we'd rather have T-Mac and expiring contracts are the reasons Houston would too.
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3/6/2008  10:10 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

The same reasons we'd rather have T-Mac and expiring contracts are the reasons Houston would too.

I pretty much said this in the other thread created by colorfl1. Why would Houston trade T-Mac and get back medicore-to-crappy returns when his contract expires close to Yao's? If anything they decide on trading T-Mac it would be to rebuild around Yao again.
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3/6/2008  10:20 AM
Zach is a bad match for Houston. They run their offense through Yao a lot and Zach would be a distraction there as well. The only place I see Zach being wanted would be to a team that does not have an offensive post presence and has a defensive center. The only teams I see who would consider this are..

1. Denver
2. Seattle
3. Sixers
4. Memphis

I think Denver and Seattle will be major buyers for Zach. The question how much will Popcorn be raped unless he gets fired and Kiki comes in and cleans house.
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3/6/2008  10:42 AM
Posted by NYKBocker:

Zach is a bad match for Houston. They run their offense through Yao a lot and Zach would be a distraction there as well. The only place I see Zach being wanted would be to a team that does not have an offensive post presence and has a defensive center. The only teams I see who would consider this are..

1. Denver
2. Seattle
3. Sixers
4. Memphis

I think Denver and Seattle will be major buyers for Zach. The question how much will Popcorn be raped unless he gets fired and Kiki comes in and cleans house.

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Might also fit next to Okafor in Charlotte.


[Edited by - panos on 06-03-2008 10:42 AM]
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3/6/2008  6:10 PM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by NYKBocker:

Zach is a bad match for Houston. They run their offense through Yao a lot and Zach would be a distraction there as well. The only place I see Zach being wanted would be to a team that does not have an offensive post presence and has a defensive center. The only teams I see who would consider this are..

1. Denver
2. Seattle
3. Sixers
4. Memphis

I think Denver and Seattle will be major buyers for Zach. The question how much will Popcorn be raped unless he gets fired and Kiki comes in and cleans house.

NJ.
Might also fit next to Okafor in Charlotte.


[Edited by - panos on 06-03-2008 10:42 AM]

ok, that's fair... let's explore those teams:

DEN: looking at their roster all i see is K-Mart or Nene, both of whom don't really give us any cap relief (Nene's contract is even worse in length of years)... i'd make the deal for K-Mart tho since the salaries are a wash cuz i think he's a better fit for what our needs are

SEA: Zach for Wilcox, Collison & Griffin? that gives us cap relief in '09 & '10, but is SEA willing to take on that contract when they're currently in rebuilding mode? the reason i suggested HOU was because they are probably trying to keep pace w/the top teams in the West & i think the package of talent going back to them is superior than what they're giving up... any trade of Zach is pretty much a reach anyway obviously.

PHI: if the point is to pair him up w/a defensive C, then i assume they'd want to keep Dalembert, which only really leaves Reggie Evans & Andre Miller, who i'm sure PHI would also want to hold onto since neither make unreasonable dollars (Miller's a valuable expiring to have going into next season)

MEM: they just unloaded Gasol's contract for cap space so i don't see them taking Zach's contract on after all that.

NJ: Zach for Vince seems like the only realistic scenario here, since their contracts are a wash... no added cap relief for us tho.

CHA: they don't have the contracts to match up for any Zach trade unless they're giving up J Rich, G Wallace or Okafor... G Wallace & Nazr would be the only match dollars wise, but that also adds 2 more years of big money onto our already crappy cap situation.

[Edited by - TMS on 03-06-2008 3:14 PM]
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3/6/2008  6:21 PM
We may have to wait to trade Zach.
In two years for Shaq's ending deal.
Or in three years for Gilbert Arenas' new max deal.

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3/6/2008  6:22 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by GKFv2:

No they would not do it because Isiah does not run the Rockets.
it's the cap space i'm after...

Um with-ya on that one.
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3/6/2008  6:38 PM
I think Houston would do that trade. I'd only just barely be willing to do that trade myself, from a Knick fan perspective. I don't understand why people are assuming Houston will want to rebuild, I think they'll want to keep getting better, and this trade allows them to do that, although they give up cap flexibility for it. Not that Yao's old(27), but he isn't exactly a spring chicken either. Rebuilding around him again would be risky because who knows how long it would take. It depends on what happens with the draft.

Anyway as for other trade options. I don't consider Denver a trading partner for us. I don't think they'd take back Zach without giving up, either nene, or martin in which case it wouldn't help us to trade with them.

I think Cleveland is somewhat of a possibility. I think Zach is an upgrade over Varajo, but They may not do it because Zach's contract goes for 1 year longer than Lebron's opt out year.

and besides Milwaukee which reportedly was already shot down, that's all I can think of. (I excluded teams where Zach would have to come off the bench)
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3/6/2008  6:55 PM
People are gonna have to wake up. The only feasible plans are to buyout Zach or take back a contract worse than Zach's or give up lottery picks to entice a team to take him. The first option is the only one that makes sense.
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3/6/2008  6:56 PM
Houston bringing Zach to help Yao would be like Isiah bringing in Zach to help Curry.
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