I think anyone can plainly see that
A. Eddy Curry can be an effective player in what he does [contrary to those who think he should be released?]
B. The same team that could've made the playoffs showed very good play and chemistry
C. The team looks much more like a team *without* Zach randolph
D. That playing the youths has no negative effect on the game and was only a positive

What we are missing
a a star[please basketball Gods let us get beasley]
b. a solid frontcourt player similar to Joe Smith
c. One more quality guard who can play now.

Can we address these issues?
I think we can get an explosive scorer with our lottery pick
Can we trade Zach for a quality guard?
Can we acquire a big like Smith

I wouldn't say that Curry should be released, but I still wouldn't keep him. I don't like players like him. I don't think you can get too far with them being main pieces.

That's why this whole franchise still needs to be blown up. They aren't going anywhere with Curry, Marbury, Randolph, Q, Jeffries, James. Let the young guys stay and prove themselves while the new GM blows it up and gets the cap down by the summer of 2010 or 2011, then pray that LeBron or Wade wants to decline their player options and come to NY. Of course that doesn't happen if the Knicks don't improve their franchise image because nobody of that ilk will want to be part of a circus like this.

good points briggs, but as I look at curry tonight I see a guy who got killed on the boards as he only grabbed 5 himself in 35 minutes..

Meanwhile randolph morris in 11 minutes had 7 boards.. again, curry should accidentially get 5 boards a game, and if he gave an effort should get 10-15 per game without breaking a sweat..

I have no faith in curry briggs... none..

As isle said. Keep the young guys, and blow up the rest. Jeffries is a moron on the court.. Q should be shipped to the glue factory, zach should be shipped anywhere but back here, james is a total waste...

Posted by tkf:

good points briggs, but as I look at curry tonight I see a guy who got killed on the boards as he only grabbed 5 himself in 35 minutes..

Meanwhile randolph morris in 11 minutes had 7 boards.. again, curry should accidentially get 5 boards a game, and if he gave an effort should get 10-15 per game without breaking a sweat..

I have no faith in curry briggs... none..

As isle said. Keep the young guys, and blow up the rest. Jeffries is a moron on the court.. Q should be shipped to the glue factory, zach should be shipped anywhere but back here, james is a total waste...

I got laugh at the Jefferies comment. Everytime he receives a pass he has that look of amazement like, "You guys no the rule, I am never to be passed to."

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Posted by islesfan:

That's why this whole franchise still needs to be blown up. They aren't going anywhere with Curry, Marbury, Randolph, Q, Jeffries, James. Let the young guys stay and prove themselves while the new GM blows it up and gets the cap down by the summer of 2010 or 2011, then pray that LeBron or Wade wants to decline their player options and come to NY. Of course that doesn't happen if the Knicks don't improve their franchise image because nobody of that ilk will want to be part of a circus like this.

if you're saying u wanna play the young guys, it's a little different than saying the entire team needs to be blown up... i agree that we just gotta unload some of the crap contracts & try to focus on getting under the cap by 2010... Zach's contract is the big killer right now, but if we can find a taker who's willing to give up shorter length deals in exchange for Curry, Jefferies, Q Rich, Turd or Jamal, we gotta explore those options also.

When people say that they want this team blown up, I don't think they mean that EVERYBODY must go. Just the obvious deadweight that reduces the team's flexibility as it tries to move forward. Young players who don't make that much aren't part of the problem and can be given the chance to prove to the new GM that they have a future with the team. I think you take that "blow up" thing a little too literally.

To get rid of some of those contracts, especially Randolphs, they're going to have to package a good, cheap, young player(s) to make it happen. I think that could very well be Lee, after he makes it known that he has no intention of signing long term and wants to be an unrestricted free agent.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by islesfan:

That's why this whole franchise still needs to be blown up. They aren't going anywhere with Curry, Marbury, Randolph, Q, Jeffries, James. Let the young guys stay and prove themselves while the new GM blows it up and gets the cap down by the summer of 2010 or 2011, then pray that LeBron or Wade wants to decline their player options and come to NY. Of course that doesn't happen if the Knicks don't improve their franchise image because nobody of that ilk will want to be part of a circus like this.

if you're saying u wanna play the young guys, it's a little different than saying the entire team needs to be blown up... i agree that we just gotta unload some of the crap contracts & try to focus on getting under the cap by 2010... Zach's contract is the big killer right now, but if we can find a taker who's willing to give up shorter length deals in exchange for Curry, Jefferies, Q Rich, Turd or Jamal, we gotta explore those options also.

When people say that they want this team blown up, I don't think they mean that EVERYBODY must go. Just the obvious deadweight that reduces the team's flexibility as it tries to move forward. Young players who don't make that much aren't part of the problem and can be given the chance to prove to the new GM that they have a future with the team. I think you take that "blow up" thing a little too literally.

To get rid of some of those contracts, especially Randolphs, they're going to have to package a good, cheap, young player(s) to make it happen. I think that could very well be Lee, after he makes it known that he has no intention of signing long term and wants to be an unrestricted free agent.

i think certain people have made it pretty clear they don't view anyone on this team as worthy of holding onto in the past, so i get my definition of the term from their comments... some of us have said many times in the past that we do have some talented young guys on this team that deserve to be getting playing time, & have faced plenty of opposition on that notion in past discussions... i'm not necessarily pointing towards you when i say that, but you gotta admit there are guys around here who think this entire team is garbage & needs to be nuked from the ground up... i disagree w/that line of thinking... i agree that we just need to start phasing out some of the vets that really add nothing to the longterm vision & start building up the young guys we have, cuz i do think they're just as talented as some of the other young kids that get regularly pumped up on this site from other teams.

on Zach, i agree we're gonna have to package together some of those good young pieces along w/him in order to unload his contract, but i'm trying hard to think of who are possible candidates to give us shorter term contracts in return w/o having to give up Lee or our lottery pick in the process... i seriously would be open to anyone w/a shorter term deal at this point cuz having that cap space in 2010 is HUGE.

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Posted by islesfan:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by islesfan:

That's why this whole franchise still needs to be blown up. They aren't going anywhere with Curry, Marbury, Randolph, Q, Jeffries, James. Let the young guys stay and prove themselves while the new GM blows it up and gets the cap down by the summer of 2010 or 2011, then pray that LeBron or Wade wants to decline their player options and come to NY. Of course that doesn't happen if the Knicks don't improve their franchise image because nobody of that ilk will want to be part of a circus like this.

if you're saying u wanna play the young guys, it's a little different than saying the entire team needs to be blown up... i agree that we just gotta unload some of the crap contracts & try to focus on getting under the cap by 2010... Zach's contract is the big killer right now, but if we can find a taker who's willing to give up shorter length deals in exchange for Curry, Jefferies, Q Rich, Turd or Jamal, we gotta explore those options also.

When people say that they want this team blown up, I don't think they mean that EVERYBODY must go. Just the obvious deadweight that reduces the team's flexibility as it tries to move forward. Young players who don't make that much aren't part of the problem and can be given the chance to prove to the new GM that they have a future with the team. I think you take that "blow up" thing a little too literally.

To get rid of some of those contracts, especially Randolphs, they're going to have to package a good, cheap, young player(s) to make it happen. I think that could very well be Lee, after he makes it known that he has no intention of signing long term and wants to be an unrestricted free agent.

i think certain people have made it pretty clear they don't view anyone on this team as worthy of holding onto in the past, so i get my definition of the term from their comments... some of us have said many times in the past that we do have some talented young guys on this team that deserve to be getting playing time, & have faced plenty of opposition on that notion in past discussions... i'm not necessarily pointing towards you when i say that, but you gotta admit there are guys around here who think this entire team is garbage & needs to be nuked from the ground up... i disagree w/that line of thinking... i agree that we just need to start phasing out some of the vets that really add nothing to the longterm vision & start building up the young guys we have, cuz i do think they're just as talented as some of the other young kids that get regularly pumped up on this site from other teams.

on Zach, i agree we're gonna have to package together some of those good young pieces along w/him in order to unload his contract, but i'm trying hard to think of who are possible candidates to give us shorter term contracts in return w/o having to give up Lee or our lottery pick in the process... i seriously would be open to anyone w/a shorter term deal at this point cuz having that cap space in 2010 is HUGE.

I honestly can't think of anybody who said everybody needs to go, hell even I haven't said that. So I don't know why you would use that as your definition of "blowing it up".

I think the problem is how some of these young players are currently viewed. For some reason people just automatically assume that if you're a young player you must be part of the future core. Throwing guys like Balkman, Collins, Chandler and Morris in as foundation guys is ridiculous at this point. They haven't proven anything yet. The only guy who I think can be looked at as a future core guy is Lee and that's only at the right price. If he wants too much and is bent on becoming a free agent, he's got to go too. There is nobody that is untouchable. Some people might argue that Nate has proven himself to be included but I think he's a loser and want no part of him on this team.

How low we've fallen...

The Knicks are on a 4 game losing streak just lost by 10+ at home and people are parsing the game film and box score for anything positive to say about this team.

Wake me when Dolan sells.

Posted by OldFan:

How low we've fallen...

The Knicks are on a 4 game losing streak just lost by 10+ at home and people are parsing the game film and box score for anything positive to say about this team.

Wake me when Dolan sells.

As an "old fan" you should be used to losing. You also should be used to winning......right now the Knicks are at historical lows with embarrassing drama surrounding the team.

We have a lot to look forward to. The debate on direction is what it is. The Knicks must find a way to go forward.

Right now I personally can see the light......but I always see the light untill Isiah comes with a bat and smashes me in the face with it. He ****s himself with momentum killing moves. Right now, he has yet another chance to clean up and stay a course......I just hope we get someone else to make that decision.

Posted by BRIGGS:

The number 1 thing we did was lose:) but we lost with pride/competetive and we played Chandler and Morris importatnt minutes-- Eddy Curry has 20-5-2-2 60%--nate and jamal played well together david lee played well.
It will be nearly impossible to gain better draft positioning than 5 because these other teams have been in the tank for months[seattle minn memphis] but if you do the math spot 5 represents a reasonable % to get spots 1-2-3. We need spot 1-2 badly. Unfortunatelt we had spot 2 2 years ago--so some luck is shot.

Past performance is not an indicator of future returns.