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colorfl1
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3/2/2008  1:13 PM
I believe the Rockets would find a package of expiring contracts (Starberry and Malik) and a player like Balkman or Morris quite appealing if they want to reload through the next round of all-star free agents.

How do you guys feel about Mcgrady playing with Lee, Randolph, Crawford and (drafted PG/ or Nate)?
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3/2/2008  1:15 PM
I don't know. I never even heard of Yoa. Is he any good?

[Edited by - basketballjones on 03-02-2008 13:15]
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3/2/2008  1:18 PM
Tracy McGrady = Stephon Marbury, Antonio McDyess, Steve Francis, Zach Randolph
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3/2/2008  1:20 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

I don't know. I never even heard of Yoa. Is he any good?

[Edited by - basketballjones on 03-02-2008 13:15]
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3/2/2008  1:21 PM
Posted by Klytus:

Tracy McGrady = Stephon Marbury, Antonio McDyess, Steve Francis, Zach Randolph

If Zeke is around,,,, I put the chances pretty high --- it seems he is very attached to players he was involved in drafting.
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3/2/2008  2:16 PM
The trade deadline already passed and Yao is not out for next season. Doesn't make sense.
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3/2/2008  2:36 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

The trade deadline already passed and Yao is not out for next season. Doesn't make sense.

Who said anything about Yao? We're talking about Yoa here.
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3/2/2008  2:47 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

The trade deadline already passed and Yao is not out for next season. Doesn't make sense.

Mike Francesa mentioned that Houston was contemplating breaking them up last off-season because for whatever reason (health or chemistry) they never manage to put it together. They decided to give it one more season to see if things click... and again their season has been lost by injury...

Now, with Yao out for this season, I am confident the Rockets will seriously try to trade T-Mac and put another combination of pieces around Yao.
The expiring contracts that the Knicks can put together will be very enticing this off-season.
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3/2/2008  3:24 PM
Posted by colorfl1:
Posted by Bonn1997:

The trade deadline already passed and Yao is not out for next season. Doesn't make sense.

Mike Francesa mentioned that Houston was contemplating breaking them up last off-season because for whatever reason (health or chemistry) they never manage to put it together. They decided to give it one more season to see if things click... and again their season has been lost by injury...

Now, with Yao out for this season, I am confident the Rockets will seriously try to trade T-Mac and put another combination of pieces around Yao.
The expiring contracts that the Knicks can put together will be very enticing this off-season.
Exp contracts might be a start but only a start. I think the only kind of team that should try to get Tracy is a 50 win team with a bunch of strong leaders who just need one more player to be a championship level team (Boston, Det, Orl, NO, Utah, or Dallas), not some rebuilding team like us.
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3/2/2008  3:24 PM
Don't be surprised here... A couple of things may happen. If Isiah Thomas remains at the helm:

Look for a Jermaine O'neal for Eddy Curry or Zach Randolph swap.

T-Mac to the Garden, (Classic trade for the marquee name-- minus the proven winner game) and it would likely involve a slew of draft picks, expiring contracts and David Lee. Whether Steph is included or not.. can't say for sure.. maybe he moves as part of a subsequent deal or 3 way! Don't see why Houston would take him str8 up for T-Mac-- even w/ his bad back, high contract.. he still has greater value than just Steph's ("Potential" a word I thought in which was most commonly used for rookies), and 1yr remaining!
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Posted by JaydeeNYC:

Don't be surprised here... A couple of things may happen. If Isiah Thomas remains at the helm:

Look for a Jermaine O'neal for Eddy Curry or Zach Randolph swap.

T-Mac to the Garden, (Classic trade for the marquee name-- minus the proven winner game) and it would likely involve a slew of draft picks, expiring contracts and David Lee. Whether Steph is included or not.. can't say for sure.. maybe he moves as part of a subsequent deal or 3 way! Don't see why Houston would take him str8 up for T-Mac-- even w/ his bad back, high contract.. he still has greater value than just Steph's ("Potential" a word I thought in which was most commonly used for rookies), and 1yr remaining!

JO for Curry or Zach is a move we've been talking about for a while & i think it's a good move to make... i'd be surprised if Indy would take Zach tho, unless we were taking some horrible contracts off their hands like a T Murph or Tinsley & then you'd have to re-evaluate that one depending on what we were giving up also.

as for T-Mac, trading our pick &/or D Lee in any deal to acquire T-Mac would be a moronic move to make... if it's not for just an expiring contract & maybe a few of our other young players EXCEPT for D Lee, then to hell with it, Isiah better not repeat the same mistakes he made by giving up our best assets when he traded for Marbury w/a move like that.
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3/2/2008  5:03 PM
People here are willing to trade expiring contracts for Tracy McGrady. Some people will never, ever learn.
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Posted by GKFv2:

People here are willing to trade expiring contracts for Tracy McGrady. Some people will never, ever learn.

our cap situation is fugged irregardless if we take him on or not as long as Zach's contract is on the books through 2011... T-Mac has 1 more year left than Marbury & after that he becomes a much more valuable trade commodity since he's still actually a good player... you need to consider these things before you make such generic statements... there's nothing to be learned from past mistakes when every move you're probably referring to has added additional years to the longterm cap as well as hurt our cap flexibility & ability to make trades, something that a trade of expirings only for T-Mac really wouldn't do... i don't see why HOU would be willing to dump T-Mac for 1 extra year of cap space personally... like JayDee said, there would probably have to be picks &/or D Lee involved to get the deal done, & in that case it's a moronic move to make as i said earlier.
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Posted by GKFv2:

People here are willing to trade expiring contracts for Tracy McGrady. Some people will never, ever learn.

People still think this team is fixable. Just 1 trade away from elite status. Just the right coach away from the Finals.

I will never understand it...... do people really think that getting a worthless arrogant immature dumbass chucker like McGrady will cause Zach and Curry to play all-nba-1st-team defense? Cause Crawful to stop chucking mindlessly and also teach him to play top level defense? Is that what people think?


It amazes me how many people think exactly like Isiah Thomas. How that's possible I can't even begin to imagine.

Mind boggling!

...and if Isiah is in charge this summer he will do yet another HORRENDOUS trade that has us getting Arenass max extended or Artest max extended and a boat load of Kings mistakes, Miles and LaFrentz... Walker, etc. While we watch Lee prosper on another team and watch our draft pick turn into a franchise player on another team.


My god...enough already!!!!
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3/2/2008  6:09 PM
we cant trade for macgrady no more quick fix trades they just don't work.... the only way we gonna get out of this is to get under the cap and and buld throught the draft.....even if we do trade for mcgrady for expiring do u think that makes us a contender ?i dont think so...any ways tmac getting in his 30 and he has a bad back.....
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Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by GKFv2:

People here are willing to trade expiring contracts for Tracy McGrady. Some people will never, ever learn.

People still think this team is fixable. Just 1 trade away from elite status. Just the right coach away from the Finals.

I will never understand it...... do people really think that getting a worthless arrogant immature dumbass chucker like McGrady will cause Zach and Curry to play all-nba-1st-team defense? Cause Crawful to stop chucking mindlessly and also teach him to play top level defense? Is that what people think?


It amazes me how many people think exactly like Isiah Thomas. How that's possible I can't even begin to imagine.

Mind boggling!

...and if Isiah is in charge this summer he will do yet another HORRENDOUS trade that has us getting Arenass max extended or Artest max extended and a boat load of Kings mistakes, Miles and LaFrentz... Walker, etc. While we watch Lee prosper on another team and watch our draft pick turn into a franchise player on another team.


My god...enough already!!!!

That's because they form their opinion from MSG's PR directive. They chased away MARV ALBERT because he was a dissenting voice. I believe this is the underlying sentiment in Noam Chomsky's Manufacturing Consent.

I'm pretty much open to any rationale explanation though. Because it just seems naive otherwise.
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Posted by TMS:
Posted by GKFv2:

People here are willing to trade expiring contracts for Tracy McGrady. Some people will never, ever learn.

our cap situation is fugged irregardless if we take him on or not as long as Zach's contract is on the books through 2011... T-Mac has 1 more year left than Marbury & after that he becomes a much more valuable trade commodity since he's still actually a good player... you need to consider these things before you make such generic statements... there's nothing to be learned from past mistakes when every move you're probably referring to has added additional years to the longterm cap as well as hurt our cap flexibility & ability to make trades, something that a trade of expirings only for T-Mac really wouldn't do... i don't see why HOU would be willing to dump T-Mac for 1 extra year of cap space personally... like JayDee said, there would probably have to be picks &/or D Lee involved to get the deal done, & in that case it's a moronic move to make as i said earlier.

I'd agree with GKF that using expiring contracts for T-Mac would be "never learning" regardless of its impact on our cap. You could use expiring contracts to get picks or young players who will be part of our future instead of more starphucking.
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3/2/2008  7:43 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

I'd agree with GKF that using expiring contracts for T-Mac would be "never learning" regardless of its impact on our cap. You could use expiring contracts to get picks or young players who will be part of our future instead of more starphucking.

if we could use those expirings for picks like u say, why wasn't it done at the trading deadline? i love when people say "we can do this & we can do that" yet have no explanation why it wasn't done.
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Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by GKFv2:

People here are willing to trade expiring contracts for Tracy McGrady. Some people will never, ever learn.

People still think this team is fixable. Just 1 trade away from elite status. Just the right coach away from the Finals.

I will never understand it...... do people really think that getting a worthless arrogant immature dumbass chucker like McGrady will cause Zach and Curry to play all-nba-1st-team defense? Cause Crawful to stop chucking mindlessly and also teach him to play top level defense? Is that what people think?


It amazes me how many people think exactly like Isiah Thomas. How that's possible I can't even begin to imagine.

Mind boggling!

...and if Isiah is in charge this summer he will do yet another HORRENDOUS trade that has us getting Arenass max extended or Artest max extended and a boat load of Kings mistakes, Miles and LaFrentz... Walker, etc. While we watch Lee prosper on another team and watch our draft pick turn into a franchise player on another team.


My god...enough already!!!!

ok, where in my post did i suggest that we were "1 trade away from elite status", that trading for T-Mac would cause Zach or Curry to play all NBA D, & that trading picks &/or D Lee would be a smart move?

[Edited by - TMS on 03-02-2008 4:53 PM]
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3/2/2008  7:59 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bonn1997:

I'd agree with GKF that using expiring contracts for T-Mac would be "never learning" regardless of its impact on our cap. You could use expiring contracts to get picks or young players who will be part of our future instead of more starphucking.

if we could use those expirings for picks like u say, why wasn't it done at the trading deadline? i love when people say "we can do this & we can do that" yet have no explanation why it wasn't done.

Well when you have a coach who'll betray rebuilding for 30pieces of silver, excuse me to make the playoffs at all costs those kind of trades weren't really discussed. Grunwald was working on trades with playoffs still in mind for the coach. Remember I SAY UGH'S comments "I won't give my young big men away for expirings." It could be done but we have the worst person in charge running things.
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