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2/26/2008  12:22 PM
His comment about *shotblocking* is overrated. I think it is almost imperative that you have a player than can guard your lane/protect the rim. Even if your offense isnt the best a team that can guard the basket like the Spurs do have a chance to score 88-92 points and still win games. We HAVE to address this as a *main* problem. When you have to sag everyone down to compensate--it leaves 3 point shooters wide open---how many times do we either see easy paths to the basket or open 3 point shooters? If you have a guy who can intimidate inside and a lead guard who can pressure the ball---you put pressure on teams to compensate on offense. That is why the Spurs are so darn good. They always have two bigs in there and they haev a quick PG who can stay in front of his man.

Isiah Thoma sis more concenred with a name player who may bring numbners or flash--if that were not so we would see Balkman play 35 minutes because he is the only guy who blocks shots.
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2/26/2008  12:28 PM
I agree Briggs. Shotblocking is something you can't just gloss over. While I don't think it is the most important thing to have, but for a team like us, who have absolutely NO on ball defenders, it's imperative. Shotblocking for a team like the Spurs or Pistons isn't as important, because there players all play pretty decent on-ball defense.

I still wonder why Randolph Morris doesn't play, he's more than capable of blocking shots. sigh.
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2/26/2008  12:38 PM
You don't need great shot blocking when you have great perimeter defenders. The Pistons weren't great shotblocking teams, but they did have some guys that can send it back. Plus they just shut you down on the perimeter. But when you have poor perimeter defenders you can't have one of the worst shotblocking teams in NBA history.

Isiah understands this point, he was just trying to justify his acquisition of Zach.
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2/26/2008  12:52 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

You don't need great shot blocking when you have great perimeter defenders. The Pistons weren't great shotblocking teams, but they did have some guys that can send it back. Plus they just shut you down on the perimeter. But when you have poor perimeter defenders you can't have one of the worst shotblocking teams in NBA history.

Isiah understands this point, he was just trying to justify his acquisition of Zach.

Ben Wallace BLOCKED SHOTS! And Sheed is no slouch either. For that matter neither is Prince.
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2/26/2008  1:05 PM
NY is a guard town.
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2/26/2008  1:06 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

NY is a guard town.

But our guards stink. However, I do think we have the best 14th man in the league... which counts for something.
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2/26/2008  1:10 PM
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2/26/2008  1:12 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by BlueSeats:

NY is a guard town.

But our guards stink. However, I do think we have the best 14th man in the league... which counts for something.


Just to be clear, I was quoting ISiah Thomas. All this "shot blocking is overrated" stuff came about when he gave up Mutombo in the Crawford deal, and told us this was a "guard town," effectively dissing Mutombo, Oakly, Camby, Ewing, Debusscher, Reed, et al, in the process.

What the heck, Jamal is better then any of them ever were, so why not.
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2/26/2008  1:55 PM
Shotblocking is our main need... i don't know how many times everyone around here has to say it for the message to finally sink in to Isiah's crap filled cranium.
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Posted by Panos:
Posted by Bippity10:

You don't need great shot blocking when you have great perimeter defenders. The Pistons weren't great shotblocking teams, but they did have some guys that can send it back. Plus they just shut you down on the perimeter. But when you have poor perimeter defenders you can't have one of the worst shotblocking teams in NBA history.

Isiah understands this point, he was just trying to justify his acquisition of Zach.

Ben Wallace BLOCKED SHOTS! And Sheed is no slouch either. For that matter neither is Prince.

I was actually referring to the the Isiah led Pistons of the late 80's and early 90's. But even they had Salley
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2/26/2008  2:02 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by BlueSeats:

NY is a guard town.

But our guards stink. However, I do think we have the best 14th man in the league... which counts for something.

Just to be clear, I was quoting ISiah Thomas. All this "shot blocking is overrated" stuff came about when he gave up Mutombo in the Crawford deal, and told us this was a "guard town," effectively dissing Mutombo, Oakly, Camby, Ewing, Debusscher, Reed, et al, in the process.

What the heck, Jamal is better then any of them ever were, so why not.



Which makes sense considering he pays Curry, James and Randolph 30 something million


[Edited by - bippity10 on 26-02-2008 2:11 PM]

[Edited by - bippity10 on 26-02-2008 2:12 PM]
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2/26/2008  3:23 PM
Posted by TMS:

Shotblocking is our main need... i don't know how many times everyone around here has to say it for the message to finally sink in to Isiah's crap filled cranium.

I won't even bother to dig up my threads where I got trashed stating this all of last yr.


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[Edited by - TrueBlue on 02-26-2008 2:23 PM]
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2/26/2008  7:24 PM
the knicks cannot play like the spurs, dont even go with the comparison unless your point is to outright mock the knicks.
the spurs play transition defense. they dont allow 40 point blowouts
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2/26/2008  7:42 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Panos:
Posted by Bippity10:

You don't need great shot blocking when you have great perimeter defenders. The Pistons weren't great shotblocking teams, but they did have some guys that can send it back. Plus they just shut you down on the perimeter. But when you have poor perimeter defenders you can't have one of the worst shotblocking teams in NBA history.

Isiah understands this point, he was just trying to justify his acquisition of Zach.

Ben Wallace BLOCKED SHOTS! And Sheed is no slouch either. For that matter neither is Prince.

I was actually referring to the the Isiah led Pistons of the late 80's and early 90's. But even they had Salley

And Rodman, and Mahorn, and Laimbeer.
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2/26/2008  7:46 PM
Shot Blocking?

See, there's a problem with this term because I see people who believe that if we only add Stephen Hunter, who is a shot blocker, all is well and we're on our way.

Which is a highly irresponsible way of thinking because guys like Stephen Hunter are absolute trash at everything except Shot Blocking. So now you have a guy blocking shots who can't rebound, cant pass, cant score.

So you've now opened up an entirely new problem that will keep you right where you are : SUCKING ASS

What we need is a complete player that can do what Eddy does on offense, can do what Zach does with rebounding, can do what Hunter does in blocking shots, can do what CWebb does with passing, can do what Ewing did with leadership.


THATS WHEN YOUVE NOW MADE AN ADDITION TO YOUR TEAM THAT MATTERS AT ALL.


Otherwise? You're Isiah Thomas. "Hmmm I have scorers, let me add Jerome and Jeffries who "play defense" and then it wont matter that Curry and Crawful cant play defense! See, Curry and Crawful will score. James and Jeffries will defend. We'll be awesome!!!!"

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2/26/2008  7:54 PM
We have all learned one thing from Isiah's tenure as a Knicks GM and coach, he make ridiculous statement all the time and he looks every bit the idiot when he makes them. He is not the brightest bulb around. He like to think he is smart and witty but he comes off like a phony to most people.

[Edited by - Vmart on 02-26-2008 7:55 PM]
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2/26/2008  8:43 PM
here is the fundamental disagreement most of us have with Isiah Thomas.

Its the interpretation of reality.

Isiah say's 2+2 is 5.

Sorry- that is the problem.

He tends to justify moves and results, doesn't ever accept responsibility, or acknowledge reality.
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2/26/2008  10:52 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

You don't need great shot blocking when you have great perimeter defenders. The Pistons weren't great shotblocking teams, but they did have some guys that can send it back. Plus they just shut you down on the perimeter. But when you have poor perimeter defenders you can't have one of the worst shotblocking teams in NBA history.

Isiah understands this point, he was just trying to justify his acquisition of Zach.

His shotblocking comment was WAY before the Zach trade. I'm pretty sure it was while we still had Nazr Muhammad.

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2/27/2008  12:06 AM
Posted by Cosmic:

Shot Blocking?

See, there's a problem with this term because I see people who believe that if we only add Stephen Hunter, who is a shot blocker, all is well and we're on our way.

Which is a highly irresponsible way of thinking because guys like Stephen Hunter are absolute trash at everything except Shot Blocking. So now you have a guy blocking shots who can't rebound, cant pass, cant score.

So you've now opened up an entirely new problem that will keep you right where you are : SUCKING ASS

What we need is a complete player that can do what Eddy does on offense, can do what Zach does with rebounding, can do what Hunter does in blocking shots, can do what CWebb does with passing, can do what Ewing did with leadership.


THATS WHEN YOUVE NOW MADE AN ADDITION TO YOUR TEAM THAT MATTERS AT ALL.


Otherwise? You're Isiah Thomas. "Hmmm I have scorers, let me add Jerome and Jeffries who "play defense" and then it wont matter that Curry and Crawful cant play defense! See, Curry and Crawful will score. James and Jeffries will defend. We'll be awesome!!!!"


Agreed. Very irresponsible.
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2/27/2008  2:20 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by TMS:

Shotblocking is our main need... i don't know how many times everyone around here has to say it for the message to finally sink in to Isiah's crap filled cranium.

I won't even bother to dig up my threads where I got trashed stating this all of last yr.


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[Edited by - TrueBlue on 02-26-2008 2:23 PM]

i think there's been tons of threads where a lot of us were screaming for us to get a shotblocker on this team... i just can't understand how Isiah doesn't see it when it's staring him right in the face everytime someone waltzes straight to the basket for an uncontested layup on every other possession... it's ridiculous.
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