No more Isolation offense, no more illegal defense, the Eurogame persists.

The Riley-Van gundy Era would not work in this new era.

Tough man game would get run off the court, you need quick defenders.

Ewings deficiancies would be even more glaring, and Hakeem would be unstopable even more so!

Yes Isiah, the "small man" era is here and your a phcuking idot. What did you do? Get Iso guards and low post power finesse players who cant face the basket!!!!!!! Zach gets stats but the ball don't move!!!!! We only when when Craw gets hot.

Sorry guys, can't recreate the 1990's and bringing back those guys even to coach won't work.

The new NBA is about fundamentals. Strong point guard play and big guys that can run. Zones can clog the middle. What do we do, get two slugs that clog it. No one to kick it out to either.

Isiah you need to leave!!!!! You banked on the wrong players!

Yet, half court teams have still been winning all the championships (San Antonio, Miami, Detroit, etc.) Not one run and gun team has won a title in the new era. Despite that, Isiah still sucks.

Posted by eViL:

Yet, half court teams have still been winning all the championships (San Antonio, Miami, Detroit, etc.) Not one run and gun team has won a title in the new era. Despite that, Isiah still sucks.

yea, but miami had shaq who was a good passer and they had shooters, they also had wade who got a shyt load of calls from the refs.... it worked... barely..

The spurs, duncan can face up, ginobili can shoot, barry and horry can shoot, and they can all play the game...

Detroit, they have 5 very versatile guys, who can play half court, but they can also get out there and run.. No fat asses on that team lagging behind sucking wind and getting beat down court..

The best teams and champions have all won at every aspect of the game. The Vanilla spurs can run and gun with the best. they can defend with the best. they can small ball you to death.....

Isiah is a moron. The Knicks don't have the right mix, or game plan....thats why they lose and lose often and big.

Isiah's roster is fixable but with Isiah here i can't see it happening cuz Isiah can't......he does one thing then shoots it down after it blows up in his face.....

"Quick offense", "power offense"? Jokes....

Right now the Knicks are set up to run....Isiah should look to build around Craw, Lee, Nate, and Balkman......get guys in there than fill in the pieces between them and the Knicks will be sucsessful. Thats what I would do right now if i was the gm.....start with the draft and do what Toronto and the rest of the up and coming gms are doing....piece cheap up and coming players together. Draft well....stay the course. The Knicks are close but the other teams that were once below them are closer.

Fuck me.

The iso offense may be gone, but one on one play is still alive and strong. The best teams, like the Spurs, make other good teams try to model themselves after them.

And I wouldn't say the league sucks. It's just that the Eastern conference sucks, but how it came so unbalanced is unbelieveable and embarrassing. Something has to eventually give with this. Only 5 teams in the EC are above .500 and 1 or 2 of them aren't even THAT good.

Posted by Nalod:

Posted by eViL:

Yet, half court teams have still been winning all the championships (San Antonio, Miami, Detroit, etc.) Not one run and gun team has won a title in the new era. Despite that, Isiah still sucks.

San Antonio plays the eurogame. Im not talking run and gun, but finesse. Penetrate Point who kicks it out with snipers waiting, if not it goes back in to Timmy. When US got licked in olympics it was evident those europoints were killing us! Back up on them the can shoot! Detroit had RasHweed who emulates the new center that can run and pop from long range. Ben was a role player! Billups played big, but he still took it in and kicked it out when clogged.

IN fact, Jordan and the bulls won this way. Had Finesse center flanked by role player at the 4. Luc Longly with Rodman, Will freaking Purdue flanked by Horace. Same formula.

Defense always wins and Spurs were able to "barely" stop the Suns last year. Shawn marion unable to hit consistant from out side was the difference. Suns got Hill to help that.

Miami got it done, and it could happen from time to time. Shaq was able to get it done and Toine could still hit it.

Its still evolving, but don't the rule changes also promote this?

Boston can succeed with finesse big man (garnett) who can hit the outside shot. Orlando with Dwight will have a problem until he can fill out his range a bit.

Sorry I misunderstood and focused on run-and-gun. The game is definitely more finesse today than it was 10 years ago. The examples you make are valid, however, I find it interesting to see the top West teams stack up on post players and post defenders. Of course, Gasol plays the eurogame and Kurt Thomas is a PF who can hit the mid-range jumper. The Suns added Shaq -- which dramatically alters their makeup. They need another 3-pt shooter.

It's going to be an excellent playoffs.

Posted by djsunyc:

for the nba, it's contraction.

new orleans, memphis, charlotte, clippers

contract all 4 franchises and have an expansion draft. their attendance is terrible. talent pool has dictated the rule changes more than anything else.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 02-25-2008 2:11 PM]

Bingo!

The league is watered down and there are too many player sitting around that would have been working in home depot if this was 15 years ago.

How about contracting just 1 or 2 teams first? I don't think the NBA will want to lop off 4 franchises. I don't think the players union would even allow it.

Posted by djsunyc:

very few teams pass the ball around anymore. very few teams are skilled at multiple positions.

the league is pretty much garbage right now. the east is worse than division 3 basketball. only thing to look forward to is the western conference playoffs and see if lebron can win a title.

outside of that, let's get to baseball already.

The NBA game actually isn't bad at all. It could be a whole lot better overall as a complete brand, things that don't concern the game itself. Look at the young stars emerging besides Lebron in Howard, Bosh, Paul, Deron, Bynum, Ellis, Chandler, Butler, Beidrins, Josh Howard... majority of these players with 4yrs or less experience giving major contributions to teams who appear headed to the playoffs.

To be objective going back 10 yrs ago the NBA sucked, even with the Knicks being very relevant. The Celtics sucked along with the Lakers for the most part Jordan was on his way out, the NBA had relatively few dominant Superstars Stars in their prime or budding young stars then, no real rivalries besides the Knicks and Heat/Pacers.

Of course we'd want nothing more than for our Knicks to be relevant but just because they aren't doesn't mean the game sucks. We have plenty of things to look forward to Celtics/Pistons/Cavs/Orlando in the East. Every single first round playoff match up in the West stands to be a classic. Never before in the HISTORY OF THE NBA could you say this about the any Playoff conference since it went to an 8 team playoff format. The Finals stand to be very good if the Spurs don't make it there.

I'm definitely not anticipating the first few games of a 162game baseball season amidst and Western Conference Arms Race for the playoffs, to see if Danny Ainge's all in move pays off, to see if Dwight Howard can do the impossible like Lebron did last yr and slay a Giant in Det/Bos. If it was September/October then that would be a different story with baseball and I'm expecting my Cubs to be very good this yr.

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by Allanfan20:

The iso offense may be gone, but one on one play is still alive and strong. The best teams, like the Spurs, make other good teams try to model themselves after them.

And I wouldn't say the league sucks. It's just that the Eastern conference sucks, but how it came so unbalanced is unbelieveable and embarrassing. Something has to eventually give with this. Only 5 teams in the EC are above .500 and 1 or 2 of them aren't even THAT good.

i have 2 ideas, one to save the all star weekend and one to save the league.

for all star weekend, eliminate the game. just vote in allstars but you don't have to play the game. make it a 1 on 1 tournament. pick 32 players, seed them up and have an ncaa type bracket. each game is played to 7, losers out, winner takes home $1 mil.


for the nba, it's contraction.

new orleans, memphis, charlotte, clippers

contract all 4 franchises and have an expansion draft. their attendance is terrible. talent pool has dictated the rule changes more than anything else.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 02-25-2008 2:11 PM]

Cool ideas here and this is a perfect example what I was referring to.

The game not necessarily being bad but other things about the league which are.


I like Mike Wilbon's idea(which I think he stole) on the All-Star Game

Not to worry, I have a Plan B. The fans would vote for a total of 30 all-stars, and the two biggest vote-getters would pick their own teams. Garnett, the No. 1 vote-getter, would get the first pick.

James, the No. 2 vote-getter, would get the second pick . . . And back and forth they'd go, like on the playground. So if KG picked a guy to get him the ball, say Nash, Kobe might pick a big man, say Howard.

Think about the buzz that would create, about the alliance and what we'd find out about what players really think about the other all-stars and who they really valued? Once again, it would be two weeks of buzz preceding the game. Players would get to do something all of them want to do: act as general managers. Again, once you pick a team, pride would be at stake . . .

Take away 4 teams, does this mean 16 of 26 make it? LOL Come On!

Do you remember the 80s?

We didn't have teams like Toronto, Minnesota, Charlotte, New Orleans, Miami, Orlando....

Thats 6 less teams, and yes 16 teams made the playoffs.

[Edited by - kam77 on 02-25-2008 4:26 PM]