Posted by Siar617:

do you think hes better than gordan

No doubt.

I saw Rose play earlier this year too at the Coaches vs Cancer tournament at MSG vs UConn. I came away with alot of the same feelings that Supreme has.

Rose is a big PG and right now his PG skills are limited due to the type of offense that Calipari runs down there. He has shown flashes this year that he DOES have the ability to run a half-court offense in the pros, and do so very well. This is in addition to the fact that that he's very good at running a up-tempo offense. He's a very good and very creative passer, often time getting the ball to guys when you don't think he can. I don't know about his ability to make an entry-pass since post-ups play almost no part in Memphis offense.

His mid-range game right now is probably a "B" average, but his ability to get to the hoop is "A+", easily his best attribute, while his 3point game is probably a "C" average, I think this will only improve. His ability to slash and take his man off the dribble is his best attribute offensively though. His defense is only average but he has the ability to be a very good defender in the NBA because of quickness and his physical attributes against opposing PG's.

I think he's going to be a top NBA Point-Guard for a loooooong time in the NBA.

I really don't see how Derrick Rose is better than Jerryd Bayless.

[Edited by - klytus on 02-22-2008 09:45 AM]

Knicks need to take the most talented player regardless of position imho.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by Klytus:

Knicks need to take the most talented player regardless of position imho.

That's fine, I have no problem with that. I guess it come down to, who is the BPA.

Personally, I think PG is the most important position in the NBA and I think the best PG in the draft is Derrick Rose. Some might think that Beasely is a better player but I think it's close enough to warrant picking Rose #1. But hey, that's just me.

I mean no offense, but I think you have to be insane to pick Rose over Beasely.

Posted by nyk4ever:

I'll gladly take either of them, but I think PG is the most important position in the NBA and rarely do PG's like Rose come around.

Highly disagree. I think big men are more important. Point guards are anchors, but if you don't have a powerful ship, there's nothing to anchor. All the great teams had killer big men. Great teams having killer PGs isn't always the case.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by Solace:

Posted by nyk4ever:

I'll gladly take either of them, but I think PG is the most important position in the NBA and rarely do PG's like Rose come around.

Highly disagree. I think big men are more important. Point guards are anchors, but if you don't have a powerful ship, there's nothing to anchor. All the great teams had killer big men. Great teams having killer PGs isn't always the case.

I wouldn't necessarily consider Beasely a big man though. I think he might be best-suited for SF in the NBA.

That's true. In the Knicks situation, if we got the #1, I would consider trading down to #2 and taking Rose plus a first from a team for Beasley at the #1. I wouldn't directly take Rose as the #1, though, because I think Beasley is the best player in the draft.

Rose tends to be overrated at times, he hasn't impressed me that much. The Kid is very talented but so were J.J. Redick and Adam Morrison in college. I just wonder hoe his game will translate in the NBA because he isn't a pure point guard and a undersized 2guard. I mean will he be better than Ben Gordon or Randy Foye and would you take either of those two guys with a Top 5 pick in hand?

Posted by TrueBlue:

Rose tends to be overrated at times, he hasn't impressed me that much. The Kid is very talented but so were J.J. Redick and Adam Morrison in college. I just wonder hoe his game will translate in the NBA because he isn't a pure point guard and a undersized 2guard. I mean will he be better than Ben Gordon or Randy Foye and would you take either of those two guys with a Top 5 pick in hand?

I emphatically disagree with you. As I've said in many posts before, watching Rose this year is not a fair judgment on Rose's game. The guy plays in a system that is ball-movement oriented, unlike MANY college programs. Most college programs, half court sets and motion offense is the setup, but not for Memphis, this especially reins true as most college teams play 2-3 zone.. At Memphis, it's ball movement, ball movement and more ball movement, therefor the PG is rendered almost useless. There have been times this year where Rose has been allowed to be a more true PG and I've seen them, he's looked great, but he doesnt get the opportunities.

im torn on gordan i like his game but he doesn't seem to a pg