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I saw Derrick Rose play last night
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SupremeCommander
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2/22/2008  2:27 AM
Derrick Rose came to my school last night to play. Tulane's team is not good, but it isn't necessarily chopped liver either. But this game wasn't even close... the arena actually gave the boys a standing ovation because after getting blown out, well, they had no chance in hell of winning.

Anyway, I definitely came into the game with some biases... namely that I think Rose is going to be a high quality NBA player.

Things that stuck out to me:
* Rose looked like a college SF guarding a PG. He is thick and carries a lot of muscle as a freshman. I'm 6'4" and box... I have nothing on Rose.
* He can grab defensive rebounds in traffic and push the ball, kind of like Balkman if he had a jumper.
* Rose did not set up any plays. He was a point in transition, but really a generic guard in the half court set. All of Memphis' guys can go one-on-one.
* He missed some easy shots, as did his teammates, despite blowing Tulane out.
* There was one really pretty play where he went weakside a foot away from the rim and totally exploited the weak interior defense.




[Edited by - supremecommander on 02-22-2008 02:29 AM]
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2/22/2008  7:53 AM
do you think hes better than gordan
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2/22/2008  9:12 AM
Posted by Siar617:

do you think hes better than gordan

No doubt.

I saw Rose play earlier this year too at the Coaches vs Cancer tournament at MSG vs UConn. I came away with alot of the same feelings that Supreme has.

Rose is a big PG and right now his PG skills are limited due to the type of offense that Calipari runs down there. He has shown flashes this year that he DOES have the ability to run a half-court offense in the pros, and do so very well. This is in addition to the fact that that he's very good at running a up-tempo offense. He's a very good and very creative passer, often time getting the ball to guys when you don't think he can. I don't know about his ability to make an entry-pass since post-ups play almost no part in Memphis offense.

His mid-range game right now is probably a "B" average, but his ability to get to the hoop is "A+", easily his best attribute, while his 3point game is probably a "C" average, I think this will only improve. His ability to slash and take his man off the dribble is his best attribute offensively though. His defense is only average but he has the ability to be a very good defender in the NBA because of quickness and his physical attributes against opposing PG's.

I think he's going to be a top NBA Point-Guard for a loooooong time in the NBA.

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2/22/2008  9:16 AM
but gordan is also big plays d and has consistant nba range now his % are great all around rose is not a good shooter at all
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2/22/2008  9:44 AM
I really don't see how Derrick Rose is better than Jerryd Bayless.

[Edited by - klytus on 02-22-2008 09:45 AM]
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2/22/2008  9:52 AM
Posted by Klytus:

I really don't see how Derrick Rose is better than Jerryd Bayless.

[Edited by - klytus on 02-22-2008 09:45 AM]

I think Bayless is very good, I also think too many people are looking at stats and basing their opinions on that. If Jerryd Bayless played on Memphis instead of Derrick Rose, I guarentee you his stats would look like Roses. Theres just too much ball movement and too many guys to take shots on Memphis. Bayless and Rose are in MUCH different situations.

As I said though, I think Bayless is very good, I would love to have him, but I'll still take Rose over him.
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2/22/2008  9:53 AM
Knicks need to take the most talented player regardless of position imho.
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2/22/2008  9:59 AM
Posted by Klytus:

Knicks need to take the most talented player regardless of position imho.

That's fine, I have no problem with that. I guess it come down to, who is the BPA.

Personally, I think PG is the most important position in the NBA and I think the best PG in the draft is Derrick Rose. Some might think that Beasely is a better player but I think it's close enough to warrant picking Rose #1. But hey, that's just me.
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2/22/2008  10:29 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Klytus:

Knicks need to take the most talented player regardless of position imho.

That's fine, I have no problem with that. I guess it come down to, who is the BPA.

Personally, I think PG is the most important position in the NBA and I think the best PG in the draft is Derrick Rose. Some might think that Beasely is a better player but I think it's close enough to warrant picking Rose #1. But hey, that's just me.

I mean no offense, but I think you have to be insane to pick Rose over Beasely.
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2/22/2008  10:37 AM
I'll gladly take either of them, but I think PG is the most important position in the NBA and rarely do PG's like Rose come around.
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2/22/2008  10:39 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:

I'll gladly take either of them, but I think PG is the most important position in the NBA and rarely do PG's like Rose come around.

Highly disagree. I think big men are more important. Point guards are anchors, but if you don't have a powerful ship, there's nothing to anchor. All the great teams had killer big men. Great teams having killer PGs isn't always the case.
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2/22/2008  10:41 AM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by nyk4ever:

I'll gladly take either of them, but I think PG is the most important position in the NBA and rarely do PG's like Rose come around.

Highly disagree. I think big men are more important. Point guards are anchors, but if you don't have a powerful ship, there's nothing to anchor. All the great teams had killer big men. Great teams having killer PGs isn't always the case.

I wouldn't necessarily consider Beasely a big man though. I think he might be best-suited for SF in the NBA.
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2/22/2008  10:44 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by nyk4ever:

I'll gladly take either of them, but I think PG is the most important position in the NBA and rarely do PG's like Rose come around.

Highly disagree. I think big men are more important. Point guards are anchors, but if you don't have a powerful ship, there's nothing to anchor. All the great teams had killer big men. Great teams having killer PGs isn't always the case.

I wouldn't necessarily consider Beasely a big man though. I think he might be best-suited for SF in the NBA.

That's true. In the Knicks situation, if we got the #1, I would consider trading down to #2 and taking Rose plus a first from a team for Beasley at the #1. I wouldn't directly take Rose as the #1, though, because I think Beasley is the best player in the draft.
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2/22/2008  10:46 AM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by nyk4ever:

I'll gladly take either of them, but I think PG is the most important position in the NBA and rarely do PG's like Rose come around.

Highly disagree. I think big men are more important. Point guards are anchors, but if you don't have a powerful ship, there's nothing to anchor. All the great teams had killer big men. Great teams having killer PGs isn't always the case.

I wouldn't necessarily consider Beasely a big man though. I think he might be best-suited for SF in the NBA.

That's true. In the Knicks situation, if we got the #1, I would consider trading down to #2 and taking Rose plus a first from a team for Beasley at the #1. I wouldn't directly take Rose as the #1, though, because I think Beasley is the best player in the draft.

That's fair.
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2/22/2008  10:53 AM
Rose tends to be overrated at times, he hasn't impressed me that much. The Kid is very talented but so were J.J. Redick and Adam Morrison in college. I just wonder hoe his game will translate in the NBA because he isn't a pure point guard and a undersized 2guard. I mean will he be better than Ben Gordon or Randy Foye and would you take either of those two guys with a Top 5 pick in hand?
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2/22/2008  11:43 AM
Derrick Rose is not an undersized SG.
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2/22/2008  11:57 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:

Rose tends to be overrated at times, he hasn't impressed me that much. The Kid is very talented but so were J.J. Redick and Adam Morrison in college. I just wonder hoe his game will translate in the NBA because he isn't a pure point guard and a undersized 2guard. I mean will he be better than Ben Gordon or Randy Foye and would you take either of those two guys with a Top 5 pick in hand?

I emphatically disagree with you. As I've said in many posts before, watching Rose this year is not a fair judgment on Rose's game. The guy plays in a system that is ball-movement oriented, unlike MANY college programs. Most college programs, half court sets and motion offense is the setup, but not for Memphis, this especially reins true as most college teams play 2-3 zone.. At Memphis, it's ball movement, ball movement and more ball movement, therefor the PG is rendered almost useless. There have been times this year where Rose has been allowed to be a more true PG and I've seen them, he's looked great, but he doesnt get the opportunities.
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2/22/2008  11:59 AM
Posted by Klytus:

Derrick Rose is not an undersized SG.

I don't consider 6'3"-6'4" 195-200 all that big. It's a nice frame and definitley works in college but in the pros there are so many other 2's bigger and taller than him. And IMO he isn't a pure point so he'll probably see more time at the 2 vs the 1.
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2/22/2008  12:02 PM
im torn on gordan i like his game but he doesn't seem to a pg
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2/22/2008  12:05 PM
Posted by Siar617:

im torn on gordan i like his game but he doesn't seem to a pg

He's Dynamic. I would rather him be an inch or two taller at the 2 but is extremely similar to Dwayne Wade(except I feel has a more reliable and better perimeter shot)
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