Not fair Bip. The team was distracted by the trade deadline.......The weren't worried they were getting traded though. They were gitty that if they were going to get traded, the time would be now.

I mean, really, for these guys getting traded from here would be akin to waking up on Christmas morning when you were 8.

I would love to see one of the few remaining Lovers start a thread telling us real fans that we aren't really "fans" because we don't support this garbage.

i root for this team no matter what. however, this team is pathetic. i am just looking forward to three things: trades for cap room, knicks getting into the lottery, and 2010. or maybe four things since i would like to see a new president and coach because he will screw up all of my dreams i look forward to.

Posted by Klytus:

I'm a diehard and I do not support a single player on this pathetic team. I want them all gone. I root for the team, not these sissies and quitters.

Hey bro you shouldn't associate the word "team" with this bunch of players, that is exactly what they are a bunch of players.

Posted by nixluva:

It's been a tough season and a tough 7 years for Knick fans. I won't go so far as to say that NO players on this team care. Just not enough players. I think it's abundantly clear that this team is rudderless and without leadership. There's no player or players who will stand up and demand that the team always gives max effort. There's also no one who can settle the team down and get it to execute even on nights when things aren't going well. ie no one to stop the bleeding once they go down big.

Isiah as we've all discussed has shown no ability to inspire his team to perform night in and night out. It's a sad thing to see this team perform like it has so many times this season. ZERO effort. Just laying down like dogs.

The owner doesn't care, so from the top down there's no accountability and the players know it.
New Blood is the only way things have a chance to change. Who knows what it will take to get Dolan to act, cuz nothing seems to be enough to motivate him to take action.

Nix, I agree with you.

I'm honestly just curious though, how come when people were saying this last year and the year before, they were "crazy" for thinking this kind of thing and they "just didn't believe in the players." I'm not trying to get on you, just curious what major change has happened here for you to believe this now.

I haven't actually supported this team in a while. I hate everyone on the team, especially Isiah. If he comes back next year, that would put me over the edge.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by nixluva:

It's been a tough season and a tough 7 years for Knick fans. I won't go so far as to say that NO players on this team care. Just not enough players. I think it's abundantly clear that this team is rudderless and without leadership. There's no player or players who will stand up and demand that the team always gives max effort. There's also no one who can settle the team down and get it to execute even on nights when things aren't going well. ie no one to stop the bleeding once they go down big.

Isiah as we've all discussed has shown no ability to inspire his team to perform night in and night out. It's a sad thing to see this team perform like it has so many times this season. ZERO effort. Just laying down like dogs.

The owner doesn't care, so from the top down there's no accountability and the players know it.
New Blood is the only way things have a chance to change. Who knows what it will take to get Dolan to act, cuz nothing seems to be enough to motivate him to take action.

Nix, I agree with you.

I'm honestly just curious though, how come when people were saying this last year and the year before, they were "crazy" for thinking this kind of thing and they "just didn't believe in the players." I'm not trying to get on you, just curious what major change has happened here for you to believe this now.

For one thing when a team is being put together you have a certain degree of expectation that things could or should improve as the team matures and plays together. Most of the time if you look at what my statements were, it was about giving the team a chance. Not that they were some great team already. I had hoped that Isiah would do a better job of running the team on the court, based on the concepts he laid out. He hasn't really stuck to them and worse, he's been as bad as LB in terms of not playing the young players and grooming them to contribute. Earlier in the season he inexplicably didn't really use Nate even tho he had shown improvement even in summer league and camp. He even said that Nate was the best in practice and yet he didn't reward him. The same goes for Lee and Balkman as well. When those guys get minutes they almost always produce and yet why is he not going with them more?

So in short I was always imagining that the path would be one where the young, IMO more talented, players would be developed more and incorporated into the mix as the years have moved along. Now understand your question spans multiple years and it's impossible to give an answer that is specific to each season at this point. Each year has had a slightly different set of negative events. This year included. I also remind you that in most cases my opinion was shared not only by many fans, but also analysts who also felt this team could and should be a playoff team. I have never liked to go into a season with a completely negative and attacking attitude towards my favorite teams. How can you really know how things will turn out? I'm sure no one really expected the Giants to win the Superbowl after the way they started the year and i'm sure there were some fans who bashed them as bums early on. However once it becomes clear that things won't get better then it's fine to acknowledge you were wrong about the team or coach etc.

I don't think that the team is rudderless at all. It is just an aspect of the expectations game that, considering all, one would infer that Isiah would intend to establish a core of talented players who can grow together. I think that Isiah has, in fact, endeavored to ascertain the ability of these players to incorporate and improve with respect to the continuing ability of the team to attain its goals.

All that being said, I am the first to admit that the Knicks, irrespective of the accepted conventional wisdom as to the efficaciousness of elaborating the elements of the pick and roll game, have in fact embellished and enumerated upon many of the important aspects of the mission statement.

I feel that it is very important, in contemplating the eventual nautical consequences, to keep in mind that, without predicting any particular outcome, a course can be established that can with exemplary certainty be said to tend to cause the ship to be righted.

Notwithstanding all of the aforesaid, I still continue to maintain that with regard to fans who feel empowered to put forth opinions as to the effectiveness of the evolving strategies which, nonetheless will continue to influence the adaptation of the motion offense in contrast to the defeatist attitude, that Isiaih will get the team back on course.


Finally, I think I should point out that it has become abundantly clear in attempting to identify the status of the transportation medium in the given modality, that Isiah will get the team back on track.


[Edited by - basketballjones on 02-21-2008 11:28]

Posted by BasketballJones:

I don't think that the team is rudderless at all. It is just an aspect of the expectations game that, considering all, one would infer that Isiah would intend to establish a core of talented players who can grow together. I think that Isiah has, in fact, endeavored to ascertain the ability of these players to incorporate and improve with respect to the continuing ability of the team to attain its goals.

All that being said, I am the first to admit that the Knicks, irrespective of the accepted conventional wisdom as to the efficaciousness of elaborating the elements of the pick and roll game, have in fact embellished and enumerated upon many of the important aspects of the mission statement.

I feel that it is very important, in contemplating the eventual nautical consequences, to keep in mind that, without predicting any particular outcome, a course can be established that can with exemplary certainty be said to tend to cause the ship to be righted.

Notwithstanding all of the aforesaid, I still continue to maintain that with regard to fans who feel empowered to put forth opinions as to the effectiveness of the evolving strategies which, nonetheless will continue to influence the adaptation of the motion offense in contrast to the defeatist attitude, that Isiaih will get the team back on course.


Finally, I think I should point out that it has become abundantly clear in attempting to identify the status of the transportation medium in the given modality, that Isiah will get the team back on track.


[Edited by - basketballjones on 02-21-2008 11:28]

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