Posted by NYKniCksFan87:

....did he say that they did a good job bringing the number down????!?

is he seriously retarded, or delusional....i f'n hate this guy...mman why cant we just fire his ass along with grunwald

Yes he did as if by design!


And he used the 2005-2006 season as the vantage point which is synonymous using the same season to prove "Evident Progress" in terms of wins-losses. How DISGUSTING, when in fact he hurt the cap situation by trading for Zach Randolph which has produced FACTORIAL negative losses from the "Evident Progress" season.



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 02-20-2008 09:41 AM]

The link is fixed it's on page 2.

Posted by iyamwutiam:

Dear TrueBlue- thank you for the link but it doesn't seem to work. However- I am not sure - what is 'news' here - as we have had a prolonged discussion where the same exact thing was being said.
1. The cap is going down - despite the horrible stumbles of Jalen Rose, Steve Francis, Mo Taylor, etc etc
2. It makes sense to let Marbury/Rose expire and get under the cap- if possible trade for a pick/picks.
3. There is young talent on this team - Lee/Balkman/Robinson/Randolph/Chandler

I would have to agree (and hope he actually does what he says):
1. Don't trade anyone
2. Let Marbury/Rose expire or play out their contracts
-so by the end of next year -we will be around 58M in salary. If we are fortunate in drafting Bayless or some other real prospect fine- and thats it- don't do a thing.
3. Let the next year be a wash- why not- we have enough players who can play well on any given night (if they become consistent and mesh) and hopefully we will have a 40-45 win season. Let James,Q Rich and Crawford expire and go.
4. Add another draft pick/s - sign no-one -and wait till the following year 2010- when Le bron come/Wade/Bosh comes out.

I would hate to see the Knicks do anything -don't change a thing - move anyone. Just let these contracts expire out and build through the draft and the development of our draft picks.

It's well known that Isiah had members of the Raptors front office infiltrate message boards to spin things. So what does Isiah pay you? Seriously.

If I double it, will you stop with the ridiculous spin?

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by iyamwutiam:

Dear TrueBlue- thank you for the link but it doesn't seem to work. However- I am not sure - what is 'news' here - as we have had a prolonged discussion where the same exact thing was being said.
1. The cap is going down - despite the horrible stumbles of Jalen Rose, Steve Francis, Mo Taylor, etc etc
2. It makes sense to let Marbury/Rose expire and get under the cap- if possible trade for a pick/picks.
3. There is young talent on this team - Lee/Balkman/Robinson/Randolph/Chandler

I would have to agree (and hope he actually does what he says):
1. Don't trade anyone
2. Let Marbury/Rose expire or play out their contracts
-so by the end of next year -we will be around 58M in salary. If we are fortunate in drafting Bayless or some other real prospect fine- and thats it- don't do a thing.
3. Let the next year be a wash- why not- we have enough players who can play well on any given night (if they become consistent and mesh) and hopefully we will have a 40-45 win season. Let James,Q Rich and Crawford expire and go.
4. Add another draft pick/s - sign no-one -and wait till the following year 2010- when Le bron come/Wade/Bosh comes out.

I would hate to see the Knicks do anything -don't change a thing - move anyone. Just let these contracts expire out and build through the draft and the development of our draft picks.

It's well known that Isiah had members of the Raptors front office infiltrate message boards to spin things. So what does Isiah pay you? Seriously.

If I double it, will you stop with the ridiculous spin?

How do you know this?

Dear Trublue -- thak you very much.
Now for the picking apart of the staements:

Thomas' remark he's "not looking to blow up our team" suggests he won't dump Curry and Randolph for expiring contracts to try to get under the cap after next season.

"That's not our goal," Thomas said. "We've done a good job the last couple years of bringing the number down. We've got young talent. We've got a cap that's going down or a number, but you want to turn that into some wins also."

That parts true - even with his ineptness- the cap has come down in the last few/couple years -you did an excellent job pointing this out. No doubt - it went up first - but surely we can all see its coming down - if we don't do any trades etc. Yes we will be at 90M next year but http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm-Marbury/Rose will begone and 2009 will have us at 58M -not including some resignings-like Lee, draft pick etc. Also- Q Rich/Crawford/James all expire the following year 2009/2010 - which would mean an addition 20 something million off the salary cap. Curry and Randolph are in expiring land!!

By that time - if we do nothing our roster would include:
two draft picks, Chandler/Morris Randolph (resigned hopefully to a 3 year deal)/Jeffries/Collins , (Lee +Robinson resigned-same 3 year deals).

So we will finally see a team of mainly born and bred Knicks with a legitimate superstar -hopefully.

As far as:

Thomas' remark he's "not looking to blow up our team" suggests he won't dump Curry and Randolph for expiring contracts to try to get under the cap after next season.

I agree with that too. We are not going to get anyone of any value in this tading dedline - that would be a Pau Gasol type of trade for the Knicks and we have no core like (Odom, Radmonovic/Bynum/Kobe/Fisher/etc) where someone like that would be impactful.

If anything - I would hold onto the Marury/Rose contract in the hopes of Getting an Elton Brand or someone. But its true - why blow up the team- the team is set to blow up anyway -we have almost 50-60 M dollars of expirings coming up in the next two years if we do nothing.

We make a move for Le Bron (sign and trade) as we have both the expirings of Randolph and Curry). I have a feeling Randolph will stay and if Curry does nt 'finally' turn the corner- no biggie - he will be like Kwame Brown/Ratliffe- a great expiring contract.

[Edited by - iyamwutiam on 02-20-2008 11:55 AM]

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by iyamwutiam:

Dear TrueBlue- thank you for the link but it doesn't seem to work. However- I am not sure - what is 'news' here - as we have had a prolonged discussion where the same exact thing was being said.
1. The cap is going down - despite the horrible stumbles of Jalen Rose, Steve Francis, Mo Taylor, etc etc
2. It makes sense to let Marbury/Rose expire and get under the cap- if possible trade for a pick/picks.
3. There is young talent on this team - Lee/Balkman/Robinson/Randolph/Chandler

I would have to agree (and hope he actually does what he says):
1. Don't trade anyone
2. Let Marbury/Rose expire or play out their contracts
-so by the end of next year -we will be around 58M in salary. If we are fortunate in drafting Bayless or some other real prospect fine- and thats it- don't do a thing.
3. Let the next year be a wash- why not- we have enough players who can play well on any given night (if they become consistent and mesh) and hopefully we will have a 40-45 win season. Let James,Q Rich and Crawford expire and go.
4. Add another draft pick/s - sign no-one -and wait till the following year 2010- when Le bron come/Wade/Bosh comes out.

I would hate to see the Knicks do anything -don't change a thing - move anyone. Just let these contracts expire out and build through the draft and the development of our draft picks.

It's well known that Isiah had members of the Raptors front office infiltrate message boards to spin things. So what does Isiah pay you? Seriously.

If I double it, will you stop with the ridiculous spin?

How do you know this?

LOl- where is the spin?!?!
Marbury and Rose ARE expiring - we all know it - and it 'would' be best - if we did nothing - which is basically what Isiah is saying- unless you geta deal like Josh Smith for Jerome james and Jeffires. But you know what i mean - unless its a super deal - why do anything- isn't that what everyone has been saying? So why is it spin - if isiah says it now - !!

Anyway - look I understand everyone (including myself) is extremely frustrated over the last few years. However- it does make sense -going forward- not to move our home grown players- let the contracts expire and viola - you have a foundation of genuine knicks - who are young and could possibly be a foundation for a championship.

Posted by iyamwutiam:

Dear TrueBlue- thank you for the link but it doesn't seem to work. However- I am not sure - what is 'news' here - as we have had a prolonged discussion where the same exact thing was being said.
1. The cap is going down - despite the horrible stumbles of Jalen Rose, Steve Francis, Mo Taylor, etc etc
2. It makes sense to let Marbury/Rose expire and get under the cap- if possible trade for a pick/picks.
3. There is young talent on this team - Lee/Balkman/Robinson/Randolph/Chandler

He was responsible for those horrible stumbles which is indication it wasn't by his design to get the cap down.

This is equivalent to saying "if you throw a ball in the air gravity will control what happens to it." The thrower of the ball isn't responsible for it's pull back towards the earth.

We might get a pick for Malik if hes traded next yr it won't be a first rounder unless he's packaged with a younger player. Forget about getting anything for Marbury. We could of had the same or better young talent if he would have let Layden's roster die

I would have to agree (and hope he actually does what he says):
1. Don't trade anyone
2. Let Marbury/Rose expire or play out their contracts
-so by the end of next year -we will be around 58M in salary. If we are fortunate in drafting Bayless or some other real prospect fine- and thats it- don't do a thing.
3. Let the next year be a wash- why not- we have enough players who can play well on any given night (if they become consistent and mesh) and hopefully we will have a 40-45 win season. Let James,Q Rich and Crawford expire and go.
4. Add another draft pick/s - sign no-one -and wait till the following year 2010- when Le bron come/Wade/Bosh comes out.

Did you even take time to read what was quoted? He won't do expiring contract type trades but he would do a trade such as acquiring Vince Carter albatross contract(Marbury, Jamal, Curry, Mo, Steve caliber) if he feels it helps out, even of the slightest of margins in the win column.

We washed out the LB season how many mulligans does he get?

We won't have enough cap room to sign Lebron or Wade unless he starts dumping contracts for expirings, which he just admitted he won't do. In order to have a shot to sign Lebron or Wade we have to be about $20mil under the cap which will be close to $60+mil or thereabouts in 2010. You seriously need to take a crash course on our cap situation.

I would hate to see the Knicks do anything -don't change a thing - move anyone. Just let these contracts expire out and build through the draft and the development of our draft picks.

Your Boy doesn't appear comfortable doing that



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 02-20-2008 11:08 AM]

the problem that this moron fails to get is that getting the annual payroll figure down by $10 every season doesn't mean jack when you keep adding on more years to the overall cap... so at this rate i suppose we should be under the cap by the year 3098.

Posted by kam77:

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by iyamwutiam:

Dear TrueBlue- thank you for the link but it doesn't seem to work. However- I am not sure - what is 'news' here - as we have had a prolonged discussion where the same exact thing was being said.
1. The cap is going down - despite the horrible stumbles of Jalen Rose, Steve Francis, Mo Taylor, etc etc
2. It makes sense to let Marbury/Rose expire and get under the cap- if possible trade for a pick/picks.
3. There is young talent on this team - Lee/Balkman/Robinson/Randolph/Chandler

I would have to agree (and hope he actually does what he says):
1. Don't trade anyone
2. Let Marbury/Rose expire or play out their contracts
-so by the end of next year -we will be around 58M in salary. If we are fortunate in drafting Bayless or some other real prospect fine- and thats it- don't do a thing.
3. Let the next year be a wash- why not- we have enough players who can play well on any given night (if they become consistent and mesh) and hopefully we will have a 40-45 win season. Let James,Q Rich and Crawford expire and go.
4. Add another draft pick/s - sign no-one -and wait till the following year 2010- when Le bron come/Wade/Bosh comes out.

I would hate to see the Knicks do anything -don't change a thing - move anyone. Just let these contracts expire out and build through the draft and the development of our draft picks.

It's well known that Isiah had members of the Raptors front office infiltrate message boards to spin things. So what does Isiah pay you? Seriously.

If I double it, will you stop with the ridiculous spin?

How do you know this?

Still waiting for the answer.

To Which Question?