Jose Calderon is having a lights out type of season, but when he goes up against type flight pg in the association he has no defense and gets abused.

I think I've made more Calderon Threads on this site than anyone.

I remember the one thread I started and some fans tried to bash him for his defense, kind of chalking him up as an average point guard.

And Gilbert Arenas needs to STFU on Calderon but anything else that comes out his mouth is usually entertaining.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 02-14-2008 09:15 AM]

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by TMS:

the guy is a stud... he just completely schooled Marcus Williams on both ends of the floor tonight...

what's up w/M Will anyways? seems like the Nets don't even think he can fill Kidd's shoes once he's traded... where does he fit if they trade for Devin Harris? will he be a career backup? he's having a pretty pisspoor sophomore season... does everyone still think he's such a better prospect than Balk still?

I think neither has shown much so far. I think Balk is actually the better player at this moment. The draft pick still doesn't make sense

be it based on history, clairvoyance, or mere chance, Ainge went and bought the pick right after where Isiah was drafting

Rondo........................................................

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by tkf:

Posted by TrueBlue:

I think I've made more Calderon Threads on this site than anyone.

I remember the one thread I started and some fans tried to bash him for his defense, kind of chalking him up as an average point guard.

And Gilbert Arenas needs STFU on Calderon but anything else that comes out his mouth is usually entertaining.

Arenas is a loud mouth, but in essence he was correct about calderon...

Uhhhhhhhhhh No he's wrong the dude dropped 22pts 12ast last night. He should say Calderon's style of play may not befit the glitz and glamor of the game but his productivity this yr has been All-Star worthy

He's the only player in the league shooting above 50% fg,above 40% 3pt(fg), above 90% ft, 6 to 1 Ast/TO ratio

And averages 13pts, 9ast, 55%fg, 47%3pt(fg), 92%ft, 3reb, 1stl in just 31min of play.

Are you kidding me what else would the guy have to do to be considered an All-Star?

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 02-14-2008 09:32 AM]

allstars go beyond numbers. Calderon like Deron williams are not creative passers, they benefit from having some good shooters on their teams. Now with calderon, I think arenas was saying that teams don't come into games preparing to stop calderon, teams don't prepare for him, guys who are allstars usually attract that kind of attention. Pg's like kidd, nash, paul, Baron davis, you have to game plan for these guys... Calderon is a solid player no doubt, but not an allstar...

Posted by tkf:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by tkf:

Posted by TrueBlue:

I think I've made more Calderon Threads on this site than anyone.

I remember the one thread I started and some fans tried to bash him for his defense, kind of chalking him up as an average point guard.

And Gilbert Arenas needs STFU on Calderon but anything else that comes out his mouth is usually entertaining.

Arenas is a loud mouth, but in essence he was correct about calderon...

Uhhhhhhhhhh No he's wrong the dude dropped 22pts 12ast last night. He should say Calderon's style of play may not befit the glitz and glamor of the game but his productivity this yr has been All-Star worthy

He's the only player in the league shooting above 50% fg,above 40% 3pt(fg), above 90% ft, 6 to 1 Ast/TO ratio

And averages 13pts, 9ast, 55%fg, 47%3pt(fg), 92%ft, 3reb, 1stl in just 31min of play.

Are you kidding me what else would the guy have to do to be considered an All-Star?

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 02-14-2008 09:32 AM]

allstars go beyond numbers. Calderon like Deron williams are not creative passers, they benefit from having some good shooters on their teams. Now with calderon, I think arenas was saying that teams don't come into games preparing to stop calderon, teams don't prepare for him, guys who are allstars usually attract that kind of attention. Pg's like kidd, nash, paul, Baron davis, you have to game plan for these guys... Calderon is a solid player no doubt, but not an allstar...

If you're going to use that as a definition of what an All-Star is. An All-Star also makes his teammates better, produces great numbers on a good team, excels at certain areas of the game better than his colleagues. Calderon also hits big shots. Let's face it if Toronto got more air time Calderon would receive more recognition. And Calderon is no different than past players who made it Kirilenko, Brad Miller, Big-Z, Szczerbiak, Walker, Shareef.

And there's a difference between saying Calderon should be an All-Star over who made it vs saying he isn't All-Star worthy as Arenas is implying.

Calderon was also playing this way last yr so it isn't solely based on having shooters around him.


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 02-14-2008 10:01 AM]

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by tkf:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by tkf:

Posted by TrueBlue:

I think I've made more Calderon Threads on this site than anyone.

I remember the one thread I started and some fans tried to bash him for his defense, kind of chalking him up as an average point guard.

And Gilbert Arenas needs STFU on Calderon but anything else that comes out his mouth is usually entertaining.

Arenas is a loud mouth, but in essence he was correct about calderon...

Uhhhhhhhhhh No he's wrong the dude dropped 22pts 12ast last night. He should say Calderon's style of play may not befit the glitz and glamor of the game but his productivity this yr has been All-Star worthy

He's the only player in the league shooting above 50% fg,above 40% 3pt(fg), above 90% ft, 6 to 1 Ast/TO ratio

And averages 13pts, 9ast, 55%fg, 47%3pt(fg), 92%ft, 3reb, 1stl in just 31min of play.

Are you kidding me what else would the guy have to do to be considered an All-Star?

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 02-14-2008 09:32 AM]

allstars go beyond numbers. Calderon like Deron williams are not creative passers, they benefit from having some good shooters on their teams. Now with calderon, I think arenas was saying that teams don't come into games preparing to stop calderon, teams don't prepare for him, guys who are allstars usually attract that kind of attention. Pg's like kidd, nash, paul, Baron davis, you have to game plan for these guys... Calderon is a solid player no doubt, but not an allstar...

If you're going to use that as a definition of what an All-Star is. An All-Star also makes his teammates better, produces great numbers on a good team, excels at certain areas of the game better than his colleagues. Calderon also hits big shots. Let's face it if Toronto got more air time Calderon would receive more recognition. And Calderon is no different than past players who made it Kirilenko, Brad Miller, Big-Z, Szczerbiak, Walker, Shareef.

And there's a difference between saying Calderon should be an All-Star over who made it vs saying he isn't All-Star worthy as Arenas is implying.

Calderon was also playing this way last yr so it isn't solely based on having shooters around him.[Edited by - TrueBlue on 02-14-2008 10:01 AM]

TJ ford was starting. calderon was comming off the bench, and he was just as effective then off the bench. now he is getting more minutes.. He is a good player, but not an allstar..

Posted by tkf:

Posted by McK1:

the ability to execute the offense night in and night out is beyond the numbers.

billups isn't a "creative passer" either. He just happens to play 40 minutes a night with 4 guys who really know the game.

Billups is considered a big shot maker, great in execution and a tough as nails defender... No he is not a creative passer, but he is a facilitator. Being MVP of the finals didn't hurt either....

tkf, you're wrong about this one.

i watch toronto every night. jose is one of the more clutch players in the league. he hits big shot after big shot. he drives and scores layups as well. tj ford is my guy but jose calderon is primetime. he manages the game. raptors control the tempo of almost all their games and it's b/c of him.

Posted by McK1:

Posted by tkf:

Posted by McK1:

the ability to execute the offense night in and night out is beyond the numbers.

billups isn't a "creative passer" either. He just happens to play 40 minutes a night with 4 guys who really know the game.

Billups is considered a big shot maker, great in execution and a tough as nails defender... No he is not a creative passer, but he is a facilitator. Being MVP of the finals didn't hurt either....

[Edited by - tkf on 14-02-2008 11:05 AM]

so is Horry. funny Billups hasn't hit a big shot since 2004...

So now you want to compare horry to billups.... LOL.. have at it, but you know the difference. Now you are deflecting....... Billups led team has still been the best team in the east since 2004 tho..

Posted by djsunyc:

calderon has the best jumpshot of ANY guard in the nba.

january, 13 games, 15 pts, 10.4 asts, 55 fg%, 51 3fg%, 97 ft%, 3.3 to's
february, 6 games, 17.2 pts, 9.5 asts, 71.2 fg%, 61 3fg%, 100 ft%, 2.7 to's

ROTFLOL

You know damn well if any Knick was producing like him and you had some Knick fans say such player isn't All-Star worthy, this board and many other would go Topsy Turvy.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 02-14-2008 10:23 AM]