Do you believe that adding JO or Wallace or Artest would somehow change the culture of our team and lead you to believe we would witness a 45 win season and at the very least a 2nd round playoff appearance next year?

Posted by Cosmic:

....In what thought process do you suggest these trades?

Do you believe that adding JO or Wallace or Artest would somehow change the culture of our team and lead you to believe we would witness a 45 win season and at the very least a 2nd round playoff appearance next year?

Why would you believe this?

Four and a half seasons have proven that this is not the case. Isiah has added "franchise cornerstone" after "franchise cornerstone" and what has happened?

Has that new player EVER changed the culture of this team?

NO! That player HAS NOT.

Not to mention that Wallace is total GARBAGE, Artest is a complete head case, and JO is an injury prone HACK!!!!

What happens time and again is the present culture of the team has taken that new addition and dragged him right down with them.

I have said it many times and seen it ignored or laughed at yet I will say it again.

Will the addition of Ben Wallace, or Jermaine ONeal, or Ron Artest, or... more likely, Darius Miles, or Antoine Walker..... ACTUALLY..........

Either cover up OR change the fact that:

Curry is 40-50 pounds overweight, plays no defense, is a one dimensional offensive player who has now forgotten how to even be that one dimensional player?

Zach can't play defense. Is a selfish idiot who forgets what team mates are?

QRich is an injury proned 30+ pounds over weight chucker? Who is vastly over rated as a "defender"?

Crawful is a one dimensional no defense idiotic brain dead chucker?

Marbury is in LaLa Land?

Jerome is over weight, injured, and has no heart?

Malik is over the hill and absolutely done as an NBA player?

Jeffries is .000000001% the player Scottie Pippen was? (you know, Jeffries would be our Pippen lol)

Mardy is a scrub rotting on the bench?

Morris is a deer in headlights that has the fire of a dead fish?

Balkman can't shoot the basketball.

Nate is so immature that he can't reap the reward of his talents?

Fred Jones plays twice the age he is?

Chandler is a rookie who is rotting on the bench but at his best might be a journeyman?

Lee is a slow footed energy guy who is neither good at defense or self-creating offense?




DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE ANY ONE TRADE WILL CHANGE THESE FAULTS??????????

The simple answer is: THEY WONT. The opposite will happen. You can add Artest or JO or even both. We might be improved...but...to what end? Winning 35 games instead of 30!?

The fact remains you CAN NOT WIN with this core of players!!!!

This team MUST be torn down in near entirety. No one or even two players could possibly save this team and cover up all those faults or persuade those players to improve.

THAT IS NOT HAPPENING!!!

Wake up!

Posted by tkf:

Posted by TMS:

here's my reasoning process behind suggesting trades:

1 - does it address a need on the team & have the potential to have a positive impact regarding team balance?
2 - does it farg our cap even worse than we're at right now?

starphuching is not a concern of mine as long as it doesn't go against rule #1... as long as the player being acquired improves the team overall & fills the holes we have, then i'm much less concerned about rule #2... it's when that aspect is completely ignored & the cap ramifications are overlooked in order to go after a player that doesn't address any needs or fit into any semblence of a logical plan to improve that really gets under my skin.

there's no rule that says you MUST trade only for young players making reasonable dollars in this game in order to succeed... it's OK to starphuch as long as it fits into some sort of plan to achieve improvement overall in your team in my view.

to address ur question:

Do you believe that adding JO or Wallace or Artest would somehow change the culture of our team and lead you to believe we would witness a 45 win season and at the very least a 2nd round playoff appearance next year?

it all depends on who you're giving up in order to acquire those players... they all address needs on this team right now, which is defense... so if you're to ask me would i be willing to give up any of our veterans who have big contracts themselves to get 1 of those guys, i sure as hell would... for JO or Artest, go ahead & take anyone you want... just don't take D Lee cuz i feel he's a player that can really help us going into the future & i would want him playing alongside those guys... for Ben Wallace, my list would be more limited but i'd give up Curry, Zach or any of our lesser veterans for him in a heartbeat.

good post... I would do a JO for zach in a heartbeat, simply because JO is better, especiallyon defense, something we need, (when healthy of course) and less of a disruption....

Lee and balkman are the type of players we will need on this team moving forward, I mean lets say, we get rid of zach and curry(on my knees praying) and bring in a JO. then we draft rose. OK, so next year, we could have a core of rose, lee, balkman, chandler with a healthy Oneal leading these guys. True that is not a 50 win team, but I think you are headed in the right direction with a good young core, a possible star in rose, two good players in lee and balkman and JO.. that team could win 38-42games and make the playoffs.... If we have a different coach of course.... If things go right, that team could possibly win more.. who knows, but at least you are headed in the right direction...

Posted by tkf:

I agree, Isiah can keep adding fading and has been talent to a roster of flawed , marginal NBA players and the result will be the same.