Posted by nixluva:

I woke up and the sun was shining and I saw the birds outside my window, then I go to my computer and you brought the dark clouds back

It's pretty pathetic when you look at the starts we've had over the years. Hey but look at that consistency!

Posted by TrueBlue:





It's why players like Marbury get no credit from me when he decided to come around after 2 1/2 months last. Fans were making ridiculous statements like "Marbury Had His Best Season As A Pro Last Yr". Uhhhh no he decided to be a good boy and got into shape after almost 1/3 of the season was gone. 2 things he supposed to do as a pro and what he gets paid to do.

Posted by tkf:




good post cosmic.. I wonder tho, with marbury as the main gunner and having a supporting cast of guys who woul do other things, how good would we have been. Do you think staying that course would have been a recipe for success? just curious..

Posted by Cosmic:

Posted by TrueBlue:





It's why players like Marbury get no credit from me when he decided to come around after 2 1/2 months last. Fans were making ridiculous statements like "Marbury Had His Best Season As A Pro Last Yr". Uhhhh no he decided to be a good boy and got into shape after almost 1/3 of the season was gone. 2 things he supposed to do as a pro and what he gets paid to do.

Yeah, I hear ya. It's pathetic how many of our players aren't into game shape until half the season is already gone. That's all on Isiah for acquiring such useless passionateless boneheads and allowing them to do as they please. His "I've tried everything" crap from the other nights post game doesn't fly with me. Had he done his homework? He wouldn't be in this position.

Anyways....

I will say one thing in Marbury's defense though, and believe me it does not excuse his unprofessional attitude but I do believe it's why he's been so unprofessional especially as of late.

When he was first acquired it was done so that he could be the superstar gunner, with complete control of the offense, surrounded by willing role players, the franchise player. Know what? It worked! It wasn't pretty but it worked (25-21 record, playoff birth when we were already written off)

Isiah then for whatever reason abandoned what had a chance to work and instead of strengthening the supporting cast of hard working role players.... he did the opposite... and traded those guys for gunner after 'athletic' gunner. Who in turn fought Marbury for possessions.

*Oakley said it best in I think 05, "You have to get players who work with steph and not fight steph"*

The end was when we acquired Crawful and for whatever reason Isiah decided he loved Crawful and now Crawful was to be the #1 option and the #1 decision maker. When he did that Isiah did another inexplicable move: Demanded Marbury change his game (to resemble lets say Eric Snow).

I think that's when Marbury began his downfall. It took a long time to finally blow up but that's the point in time I'd pinpoint as Isiah's worst mistake which turned Marbury into the biggest malcontent he could possibly be.

Why would you tell your 46.5% gunner to stop gunning and focus on playing defense and playing off the ball and then give a 39% gunner the keys to chucking up anything he wanted to!? WHO THE HELL DOES THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I swear Isiah would have told Ewing to stop shooting and told Felton Spencer to take 18+ FGAs a game!!!! He is INSANE!!!!

Sad...and I could go on...but I think you know what I'm talking about.

Oh well, time to move on, BoneSpurBury turned SurgeryBury turned RecoverBury can turn into BuyOutBury and damn well should before Isiass trades his expiring for Miles and LaFrentz.

Posted by Cosmic:

Posted by Anji:

It's funny though...... by year two are claiming Browns year when JC came off the bench save the last 6 weeks or the Lenny/Herb year where Marbury thought he was the "Best Point in the League" and he was getting Kurt thomas shipped out of town???

I just want to know how many Franchise players come off the bench........ that's all I'm saying. I said it was a good thread, but I don't know how you are trynig to jam in the JC was handed the Franchise player keys in any of these years. I mean you can make an arguement now, but this is only after Marbury Blowing up and Curry-Zach blowing up. LOL

Crawford: Top ball handler. Runs the point and has for years. Is the #1 decision maker. Has the ball in his hands more than any other player. Takes the most shots on the team and has for years.

What more do you need to see to understand he was handed to keys to the franchise - and was tagged as a franchise player by Isiah? What more must he do or how many more duties must he be #1 in to be considered to franchise player?

Oh, wow, so you're blaming our season's woes on Marbury losing his mind and Zach and Curry not working well together and taking pot shots at each other?

HELLO!!!! This is the basis of my theory here!!!! The theory being that every year Isiah falls in love with yet another new player, makes a drastic move to acquire that player, then features that player while tossing the previous flavor of the year out the window - thus leading to a complete lack of continuity - of which each successive move brought in similar players who never complimented one another but actually led to even more in-fighting and fighting on the court!

Isiah should switch from love with man to love with a woman.
It doesn’t work with man.
It didn’t work with Anucha too... Hmm... Is she a woman?

Posted by Cosmic:


Crawford: Top ball handler. Runs the point and has for years. Is the #1 decision maker. Has the ball in his hands more than any other player. Takes the most shots on the team and has for years.

What more do you need to see to understand he was handed to keys to the franchise - and was tagged as a franchise player by Isiah? What more must he do or how many more duties must he be #1 in to be considered to franchise player?

Oh, wow, so you're blaming our season's woes on Marbury losing his mind and Zach and Curry not working well together and taking pot shots at each other?

HELLO!!!! This is the basis of my theory here!!!! The theory being that every year Isiah falls in love with yet another new player, makes a drastic move to acquire that player, then features that player while tossing the previous flavor of the year out the window - thus leading to a complete lack of continuity - of which each successive move brought in similar players who never complimented one another but actually led to even more in-fighting and fighting on the court!

Im blaming Marburys ablitly to fold for the knicks losing. Year 1 the Knicks are 16-13 threw 29 and 2-1 with crawford out. Marbury then makes his best point guard quote, the team goes 17-36 in their last 53 and 1-4 with crawford out in the following 5 games after marburys comments. Marbury had his lot of commentary players with JC out over that 8 game period and started out well. He folded after putting pressure on himself with those comments, because that is who he is. Same for last year with Lee, JC, Q and Francis out (for the most part with Q an francis) his all commentary team of Collins, balkman, Rose, James, Jeffries, nate with Curry playing very good ball....... the knicks went 6-12!!!! And he folded under Browns request, then quited with an injury like this year. The guy would have folded no matter who he was playing with. hat's who he is.

And if you really look at his career, he definitly needs a gunner to fight with to make the playoffs. He had KGs 20 when the wolves made it, he had Marions 20 with suns and with the knicks he had Houstons 20 that half season. But now he is too old to even lead a lower profile scoring Currys 20 points per game to the playoffs. Murbury problems is with Marbury.

Marbury was the top ball hander and shot taker until last year. And last year is Curry franchise year, is the only year that JC had more shot's and more useage then Marbury(this year too if things continue). Marbury was the franchise until last November when Curry was suppose to the Franchise because of Marburys bad play coming of his injury in the off-season. So I still don't get were you are seeing JC as the franchise or being giving th franchise. Because all i see see is when Marbury quits or sulks to lack luster play, JC is picking up for him. He quit on Brown and Brown turned to JC at the end of that year. Isiah turned to JC after Franbury fails and niether one of them seem to function when Curry is the first option. So how is he the franchise???

I don't understand how you hate JC so much. The one player that Brown actually liked. Brown thought he could be his point. Brown wanted the ball in JC hands at the endof quarters...... THE GREAT LARRY BROWN STARTED THAT REMEMBER. JC went to the bench for Brown, he went to the bench for Isiah, Lenny liked him, when everything blows up he is the player the coaches lean on. I can understand you not liking that kind of scorer, but why the hate man??? Why?