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1/19/2008  1:16 PM
Crawford To Succeed Marbury At Point In New York?
January 19, 2008 - 6:27 am
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Isiah Thomas believes that Jamal Crawford's future in New York is tied to the point guard position which does not bode well for Stephon Marbury.

"That may be his best position," Thomas said of Crawford. "We may have to rethink that. If he keeps playing like this -scoring, distributing, defending - this may be his position." Read


I hate to toot my own horn, BUT, that has never stopped me before. I have-and a few others-have been saying this for years. It only took Isiah 3 years to figure it out.

[Edited by - joec32033 on 19 January 2008 13:17]
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1/19/2008  1:20 PM
I thought of the same possibility 3 years ago during the lenny wilkens season.
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1/19/2008  1:39 PM
i have to say, even though i've long been a proponent of starting Jamal at the PG position along w/u & BigC, i think right now Nate has played himself into the successor's role... he's been playing awesome & not turning the ball over... Jamal is feeding off Nate's energy as well & they seem to enjoy a nice synergy playing w/one another.
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1/19/2008  1:43 PM
everyone has always thought crawford's best position is PG - at PG he actually has good size, at SG he's way too small. even Chad Ford and Larry Brown figured this out.

I don't think it's that Zeke didn't know, it's that Marbury has been here the whole time. But, for better or worse now it's Crawford's team. And while I like Crawford, I doubt that's enough to ever win more than 30-35 games.
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1/19/2008  1:49 PM
Posted by TMS:

i have to say, even though i've long been a proponent of starting Jamal at the PG position along w/u & BigC, i think right now Nate has played himself into the successor's role... he's been playing awesome & not turning the ball over... Jamal is feeding off Nate's energy as well & they seem to enjoy a nice synergy playing w/one another.

I don't know, man. I just can't see Nate as a starter. It's more than just underestimating the little guy here. I just can't see him as a starter, or maybe just an average starter at best. He is probably a much better player off the bench, alot like an Earl Boykins type player.
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1/19/2008  1:50 PM

I'm not sure what you guys are looking at..Craw is no point guard, even if Isiah is saying it...Isiah has his own agenda...Finally Q is hitting some shots and Nate too as well, Craw assist number was high but he still doesn't understand shot selection and running an offense...The offense flowed well in the first half because the Knicks were hitting some difficult shots, not because they were executing their offensive sets...

Craw is a scorer period....It's better to take what you can get from him instead of trying to make him something he is not...Being able to bring the ball upcourt does not make you a point guard...Getting the ball to players in the right position where they can be most effective, understanding when to shoot and who to pass the ball to at a critical time is what makes you a point guard...I really don't see the correlation between Craw shooting a higher percentage and scoring better the last few games means he's a good point guard...
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Posted by crzymdups:

everyone has always thought crawford's best position is PG - at PG he actually has good size, at SG he's way too small. even Chad Ford and Larry Brown figured this out.

I don't think it's that Zeke didn't know, it's that Marbury has been here the whole time. But, for better or worse now it's Crawford's team. And while I like Crawford, I doubt that's enough to ever win more than 30-35 games.

With this current time, I agree, it's like putting a Scoobie Doo band aid on an amputated finger, but hopefully this will finally use his strengths, mask his weakness, and at least make him an above average solid starter(no more of this bench or swing man stuff) conversation.
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1/19/2008  2:36 PM
The only benefit of having craw play the point, is his size. Other than that, he's a scoring lead guard who still doesn't know how to run an offense. Running the point will just expose other holes in his game.

Taking off balanced fade aways with a man wide open under the hoop, etc.....Craw is adept to throwing alley-oops and highlight passes that may lead to a nice basket, but what about the pass that leads to the pass for an assist?

If Isiah (or the next coach) can teach him how to gain a better understaning of game situation and time management, it could work. Craw has to understand when to take over the games and when to get the others involved.
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1/19/2008  2:44 PM
since bonespurgate...

bigs = zach + eddy + lee fga's
guards = jamal + nate + q fga's


game    bigs   guards
det     31     25
was     27     40
@nj     27     44
@was    25     43
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Posted by djsunyc:

since bonespurgate...

bigs = zach + eddy + lee fga's
guards = jamal + nate + q fga's


game    bigs   guards
det     31     25
was     27     40
@nj     27     44
@was    25     43

Look deeper. In those 4 games, Jamal has averaged 16.25 FGA's per game. His season average is 16.4.Jamal

In those 4 games, Nate has averaged 10.75 FGA's per. Season average is 9.3.


In those 4 games, Q averaged 10.25 FGA's per game. His season average is 8.

Lee's drastically decreased minutes might have something to do with it.

P.S. My hot linking is having issues. Use the Jamal link to find the other two.

[Edited by - joec32033 on 19 January 2008 15:02]
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1/19/2008  3:21 PM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by djsunyc:

since bonespurgate...

bigs = zach + eddy + lee fga's
guards = jamal + nate + q fga's


game    bigs   guards
det     31     25
was     27     40
@nj     27     44
@was    25     43

Look deeper. In those 4 games, Jamal has averaged 16.25 FGA's per game. His season average is 16.4.Jamal

In those 4 games, Nate has averaged 10.75 FGA's per. Season average is 9.3.


In those 4 games, Q averaged 10.25 FGA's per game. His season average is 8.

Lee's drastically decreased minutes might have something to do with it.

P.S. My hot linking is having issues. Use the Jamal link to find the other two.

the guards are shooting the ball more. in this case, it's ok b/c they are hitting at crazy %'s. but there's a good chance those %'s don't hold up. so will they keep shooting it or will they go back to the bigs?

it's something to keep an eye on.

but looking around the league, pg on successful teams usually don't lead them in fga's. it can happen, but it's not common.

kidd ranks 3rd on his team.
devin harrins ranks 4th.
billups ranks 2nd (but is only seperated by .2 to 4th)
paul ranks 2nd.
nash ranks 5th.
deron ranks 2nd.
diddy and roy rank 1st.
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1/19/2008  3:31 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by djsunyc:

since bonespurgate...

bigs = zach + eddy + lee fga's
guards = jamal + nate + q fga's


game    bigs   guards
det     31     25
was     27     40
@nj     27     44
@was    25     43

Look deeper. In those 4 games, Jamal has averaged 16.25 FGA's per game. His season average is 16.4.Jamal

In those 4 games, Nate has averaged 10.75 FGA's per. Season average is 9.3.


In those 4 games, Q averaged 10.25 FGA's per game. His season average is 8.

Lee's drastically decreased minutes might have something to do with it.

P.S. My hot linking is having issues. Use the Jamal link to find the other two.

the guards are shooting the ball more. in this case, it's ok b/c they are hitting at crazy %'s. but there's a good chance those %'s don't hold up. so will they keep shooting it or will they go back to the bigs?

it's something to keep an eye on.

but looking around the league, pg on successful teams usually don't lead them in fga's. it can happen, but it's not common.

kidd ranks 3rd on his team.
devin harrins ranks 4th.
billups ranks 2nd (but is only seperated by .2 to 4th)
paul ranks 2nd.
nash ranks 5th.
deron ranks 2nd.
diddy and roy rank 1st.

The guards are shooting at about their season averages. That wasn't %'s that was actual attempts according to Yahoo. Maybe Jamal's shots will go down because now he is the , quote-unquote, point guard. I agree PG's leading the team in shots isn't a great idea, BUT Jamal has played the 2 guard all season. At that position, he should lead the team in shots. We got to give him some time to play the position and see what direction he takes it in, IMO.
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1/19/2008  4:05 PM
This is the Craw and Nate show......we gotta let it go already. These guys are proving everynight why they deserve it.
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1/19/2008  5:04 PM
I find this "Crawford to succeed Marbury as PG" statement HILARIOUS.

Crawford has BEEN OUR POINT GUARD for three years now!!!! He has been the primary ball handler, he has taken the most shots of any guard most of them by calling his own number when he sets up the offense. HE HAS BEEN THE STARTING PG OF THE NEW YORK KNICKS for a long time.

In the meantime, for over two years now, Marbury has been forced to turn into Eric Snow or get lost.


So, yeah, there IS no succession! It occurred YEARS ago!!!

Sorry...I just find it HILARIOUS that the article, and responses to it (mostly on RealGM) are ones that are based off of the idea that just yesterday, Crawford was turned into a PG.

Pitiful........ if this stupid team, and those who analyze it, can't see that Crawford has BEEN THE PG for a LONG time going back SEASONS - then, wow.... just wow, I have no words for that.
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Posted by EnySpree:

This is the Craw and Nate show......we gotta let it go already. These guys are proving everynight why they deserve it.

I agree about Nate. Enough with the 'we need energy off the bench' garbage. Start NATE.

Now, again, it won't change the fact that we will end this season sub .500 and not make the playoffs - but jeez - play the players who play the hardest and want to win!

C-Curry
F-Zach
F-BALKMAN if he wasn't left rotting on the bench to the point where he's so rusty he looks like crap! But put him here anyway!!!
G-Nate
G-Crawford (cause well, as said, there is no other option really).

Bring QBrick off the bench for "spark" and Lee as well.




It's sad when you can take this entire forum, throw Isiah into it, and he'd still be the WORST coaching option of all of us.
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Posted by Cosmic:

I find this "Crawford to succeed Marbury as PG" statement HILARIOUS.

Crawford has BEEN OUR POINT GUARD for three years now!!!! He has been the primary ball handler, he has taken the most shots of any guard most of them by calling his own number when he sets up the offense. HE HAS BEEN THE STARTING PG OF THE NEW YORK KNICKS for a long time.

In the meantime, for over two years now, Marbury has been forced to turn into Eric Snow or get lost.


So, yeah, there IS no succession! It occurred YEARS ago!!!

Sorry...I just find it HILARIOUS that the article, and responses to it (mostly on RealGM) are ones that are based off of the idea that just yesterday, Crawford was turned into a PG.

Pitiful........ if this stupid team, and those who analyze it, can't see that Crawford has BEEN THE PG for a LONG time going back SEASONS - then, wow.... just wow, I have no words for that.

If Craw was point guard the last three years, which wasn't the case, he must have sucked at it being that a guy named Marbury led the team in assist the last three years...



[Edited by - holfresh on 01-19-2008 5:44 PM]
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Posted by holfresh:



If Craw was point guard the last three years, which wasn't the case, he must have sucked at it being that a guy named Marbury led the team in assist the last three years...

It is the case. It has been the case for a long time. It started out slow under Brown - it intensified under Isiah - it became absolute truth midway through last season.

He has been the #1 shot taker, most of which were of him calling his own number from the start.
He has been the #1 ball handler with Marbury the majority of the time playing off the ball.

HE HAS BEEN OUR PRIMARY BALL HANDLER AND SHOOTER FOR YEARS NOW - Which, makes him, our PG for quite some time.

I'd have to say you have not been paying attention if you think otherwise. It's been Isiah's plan for a very long time.

So, no, this is not news, this is laughable that it's some sudden change or shift in philosophy. It's been the norm for quite some time stretching back as much as two full seasons at the very least.

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Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by holfresh:



If Craw was point guard the last three years, which wasn't the case, he must have sucked at it being that a guy named Marbury led the team in assist the last three years...

It is the case. It has been the case for a long time. It started out slow under Brown - it intensified under Isiah - it became absolute truth midway through last season.

He has been the #1 shot taker, most of which were of him calling his own number from the start.
He has been the #1 ball handler with Marbury the majority of the time playing off the ball.

HE HAS BEEN OUR PRIMARY BALL HANDLER AND SHOOTER FOR YEARS NOW - Which, makes him, our PG for quite some time.

I'd have to say you have not been paying attention if you think otherwise. It's been Isiah's plan for a very long time.

So, no, this is not news, this is laughable that it's some sudden change or shift in philosophy. It's been the norm for quite some time stretching back as much as two full seasons at the very least.

The definition of a point guard is not the guard that takes the most shots...

Craw was moved to the point under Brown because Marbs wanted to take more shots...Later that year Marbs got hurt so there was no choice...But you are wrong in saying that Craw was the primary ball handler...That distinction belongs to Marbury, thus the higher assist totals...



[Edited by - holfresh on 01-19-2008 8:01 PM]
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Holfresh, the definition of a PG or the assist totals of guards is moot in this.

Crawford has been the primary ball handler for quite a long time now. The majority of his shots come off of his own creation - most of those of which occur with him taking the ball up the court, looking over the defense, and deciding to go 1-1 by himself.

I don't know what you're missing, or, maybe what I am missing, but the guy has been the most ball dominant guard of all our guards. He's the primary decision maker of the offense and the primary shooter (which as I said stems off of he being the primary decision maker)

That makes him the primary ball handler - thus the primary decision maker with the ball - thus - THE STARTING POINT GUARD - even if he "starts" at "shooting guard" - that does not matter.

He has been in this role for a very long time.
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Posted by Cosmic:

Holfresh, the definition of a PG or the assist totals of guards is moot in this.

Crawford has been the primary ball handler for quite a long time now. The majority of his shots come off of his own creation - most of those of which occur with him taking the ball up the court, looking over the defense, and deciding to go 1-1 by himself.

I don't know what you're missing, or, maybe what I am missing, but the guy has been the most ball dominant guard of all our guards. He's the primary decision maker of the offense and the primary shooter (which as I said stems off of he being the primary decision maker)

That makes him the primary ball handler - thus the primary decision maker with the ball - thus - THE STARTING POINT GUARD - even if he "starts" at "shooting guard" - that does not matter.

He has been in this role for a very long time.

Cosmic, I think you're confusing the fact that because Jamal is the guy that goes one on one the most-thus he handles the ball the most-that makes him a PG. Not the case. Iverson handles the ball most in Denver and he is considered a 2 guard. TMac handles the ball most in Houston, and he is a SF. Kobe in LA, and he's a 2 guard. Hell, if you run the offense through you're center (like SA did at the beginning of Tony Parker's career), you still have a PG.

Crawford's job has ALWAYS been to score. We are never going to know but you are saying that Crawford "called his own number" when he decided to go one on one so much, thus making him a PG. Jamal has been our best "one on one" player since he got here. His job was to score. Scorers always handle the ball more than people who don't. -especiall when the whole philosophy is not built around team play but around one on one play, as we have been here for years.

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