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kam77
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Gun to your head... there's a deal on the table that would move the Knicks in the right direction, in fact, lets make it interesting and say we will win 50+ games for the next 5 years. The only catch is the other team wants some youth to add to the package... they're asking for either LEE to be added OR Nate+Balkman. Which package would you throw in to make the deal? Think of this as another BOSTON. Only if Isiah had his own McHale.
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kam77
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1/16/2008  12:57 PM
I would trade Nate+Balk and keep Lee. But it was a very tough decision. Nate has a solid future and Balkman is a game-changer. I just think Lee is more valuable.

[Edited by - kam77 on 01-16-2008 12:58 PM]
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1/16/2008  1:09 PM
50+ wins, i'd give them all up....they are all mediocre at best.
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1/16/2008  1:14 PM
If our fans looked at any other team who's 11-26 currently and have averaged 30wins the past 4 seasons with relatively the same players, we would say no player on such team should be untouchable. But not our Knick players. Every player on our team should be fair game, just make smart trades.
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1/16/2008  1:51 PM
I would trade Nate+Balk. I think Lee is way too good of a rebounder to let go.
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1/16/2008  2:32 PM
Okay, I need to get this off my chest. Lee is good, but what makes him different from that Scola guy in Houston????

Point is players like Lee are always going to be around, and there will always be affordable.

People act like hes some kind of stud. The same goes for Nate and Joe Camel as well.

for 50 wins, I'd give them any combination of players they want
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1/16/2008  3:02 PM
i disagree Starks1994... u can find guys like Nate & Balkman in the draft every year, but it's very hard to get a guy like Lee who gives you a double double just about every night w/o needing any plays run for him during the course of a game.
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1/16/2008  3:25 PM
Good Point, but it takes alot more than that to produce wins. Every team needs an impact player, a Tim Duncan, KG, KOBE, LeBron, or a Nash on the roster before you start thinking of going deep in playoffs. With all respect to Allan and Latrell, we haven't had one since Ewing.

I think after we find our new franchise player, then we can think about surounding pieces.

Lee will give us a double double, but he won't get us in the playoffs

[Edited by - Starks1994 on 01-16-2008 3:25 PM]
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1/16/2008  3:29 PM
don't get me wrong, if there's a deal out there to be made to bring in a franchise guy, i'd drive D Lee to the airport myself... also agree in principle about finding our franchise player first & then worrying about surrounding pieces after, but if u ask me, D Lee can play w/any player in any system... he's that type of player... it's not easy to find guys like that who aren't scrubs.
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1/16/2008  4:03 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:

If our fans looked at any other team who's 11-26 currently and have averaged 30wins the past 4 seasons with relatively the same players, we would say no player on such team should be untouchable. But not our Knick players. Every player on our team should be fair game, just make smart trades.

with that logic, the blazers would not have outlaw and webster, two key pieces to the core of that team.

with that logic, the hawks would not have josh smith and josh childres, two keys to their core.. both teams are over .500

the difference. They continued to draft well, and make smart trades... hence we see the effects of Brandon roy and Joe johnson...

But hey. If you don't hate everything on the knicks, then one must be a blind homer/ Lover.....



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1/16/2008  4:04 PM
Posted by TMS:

don't get me wrong, if there's a deal out there to be made to bring in a franchise guy, i'd drive D Lee to the airport myself... also agree in principle about finding our franchise player first & then worrying about surrounding pieces after, but if u ask me, D Lee can play w/any player in any system... he's that type of player... it's not easy to find guys like that who aren't scrubs.

+1

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1/16/2008  4:24 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by TrueBlue:

If our fans looked at any other team who's 11-26 currently and have averaged 30wins the past 4 seasons with relatively the same players, we would say no player on such team should be untouchable. But not our Knick players. Every player on our team should be fair game, just make smart trades.

with that logic, the blazers would not have outlaw and webster, two key pieces to the core of that team.

with that logic, the hawks would not have josh smith and josh childres, two keys to their core.. both teams are over .500

the difference. They continued to draft well, and make smart trades... hence we see the effects of Brandon roy and Joe johnson...

But hey. If you don't hate everything on the knicks, then one must be a blind homer/ Lover.....



objectivity has no place here to some it seems

[Edited by - TMS on 01-16-2008 1:24 PM]
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TrueBlue
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1/16/2008  4:26 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by TrueBlue:

If our fans looked at any other team who's 11-26 currently and have averaged 30wins the past 4 seasons with relatively the same players, we would say no player on such team should be untouchable. But not our Knick players. Every player on our team should be fair game, just make smart trades.

with that logic, the blazers would not have outlaw and webster, two key pieces to the core of that team.

with that logic, the hawks would not have josh smith and josh childres, two keys to their core.. both teams are over .500

the difference. They continued to draft well, and make smart trades... hence we see the effects of Brandon roy and Joe johnson...

But hey. If you don't hate everything on the knicks, then one must be a blind homer/ Lover.....





The Hawks and Blazers have involved players such as Outlaw, Webster, and Josh Smith/Childress in trades TKF. Those players weren't untouchables. They aren't willing to give them away but like I said make smart trades not dumb ones like I SAY UGH has been making every since he's been here.
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1/16/2008  6:34 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by TrueBlue:

If our fans looked at any other team who's 11-26 currently and have averaged 30wins the past 4 seasons with relatively the same players, we would say no player on such team should be untouchable. But not our Knick players. Every player on our team should be fair game, just make smart trades.

with that logic, the blazers would not have outlaw and webster, two key pieces to the core of that team.

with that logic, the hawks would not have josh smith and josh childres, two keys to their core.. both teams are over .500

the difference. They continued to draft well, and make smart trades... hence we see the effects of Brandon roy and Joe johnson...

But hey. If you don't hate everything on the knicks, then one must be a blind homer/ Lover.....





The Hawks and Blazers have involved players such as Outlaw, Webster, and Josh Smith/Childress in trades TKF. Those players weren't untouchables. They aren't willing to give them away but like I said make smart trades not dumb ones like I SAY UGH has been making every since he's been here.

no one is saying lee is untouchable, He is just untouchable in deals such as trading him for a 25th pick and getting rid of jared jeffries. I also doubt the blazers and hawks would get rid of outlaw and smith and childress in such deals also. I dthink if any of those guys would get moved it would be for a young stud or high picks..... not mid round picks, or trying to get rid of miles, who is still with the team, may I remind you..
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1/16/2008  6:37 PM
Nate and Balkman because Nate is worthless to this team, so if it's Lee vs. Balkman, it's a no brainer. Keep Lee. However, I think you can get more for Lee, so if you hit a homerun in a deal for Lee that you couldn't keep with the Balkman-Nate package, then trade Lee. Otherwise, keep him.

[Edited by - Solace on Jan 16 2008 6:37 PM]
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1/17/2008  7:17 AM
lol, rather one sided results in the poll
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1/17/2008  8:32 AM
Posted by TMS:

don't get me wrong, if there's a deal out there to be made to bring in a franchise guy, i'd drive D Lee to the airport myself... also agree in principle about finding our franchise player first & then worrying about surrounding pieces after, but if u ask me, D Lee can play w/any player in any system... he's that type of player... it's not easy to find guys like that who aren't scrubs.

and lee, unlike his former florida gator teammate noah hasn't been involved in any kind of trouble. he is a good guy period.

He's a bit like a 6'9" version of steve nash- you look at him and he isn't especially fast or strong- but he finds a way to get the job done and he does make his teammates better.
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1/17/2008  10:17 AM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by TrueBlue:

If our fans looked at any other team who's 11-26 currently and have averaged 30wins the past 4 seasons with relatively the same players, we would say no player on such team should be untouchable. But not our Knick players. Every player on our team should be fair game, just make smart trades.

with that logic, the blazers would not have outlaw and webster, two key pieces to the core of that team.

with that logic, the hawks would not have josh smith and josh childres, two keys to their core.. both teams are over .500

the difference. They continued to draft well, and make smart trades... hence we see the effects of Brandon roy and Joe johnson...

But hey. If you don't hate everything on the knicks, then one must be a blind homer/ Lover.....





The Hawks and Blazers have involved players such as Outlaw, Webster, and Josh Smith/Childress in trades TKF. Those players weren't untouchables. They aren't willing to give them away but like I said make smart trades not dumb ones like I SAY UGH has been making every since he's been here.

no one is saying lee is untouchable, He is just untouchable in deals such as trading him for a 25th pick and getting rid of jared jeffries. I also doubt the blazers and hawks would get rid of outlaw and smith and childress in such deals also. I dthink if any of those guys would get moved it would be for a young stud or high picks..... not mid round picks, or trying to get rid of miles, who is still with the team, may I remind you..


I was trying to get rid of James and Jeffries TKF or did you not catch that in my original proposal?
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1/17/2008  10:18 AM
Posted by Solace:

Nate and Balkman because Nate is worthless to this team, so if it's Lee vs. Balkman, it's a no brainer. Keep Lee. However, I think you can get more for Lee, so if you hit a homerun in a deal for Lee that you couldn't keep with the Balkman-Nate package, then trade Lee. Otherwise, keep him.

[Edited by - Solace on Jan 16 2008 6:37 PM]


Solace how much could Lee get us in return?
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1/17/2008  10:21 AM
At this point I would trade any of these 3 guys in a heartbeat if it improved the youth and talent base of the team and gave us a chance to get a guy that has a shot to develop into something better than Lee, Balkman or Robinson - for a role player I'm fully prepared to take that chance on a guy that has a higher ceiling (a Sergio Rodriguez, a Martell Webster, a Partrick O'Bryant, a Morris Almond, etc...). All 3 of our guys are good solid role players, but role players no-the-less. For what they bring to the table, any one of the 3 can be easily replaced. For Lee alone I gave a list of about 60-someodd players the other day on another thread that more or less supply the same role for their team - and that's not even counting guys in the D-league or guys teams might have stached away in Europe somewhere. Remember Anthony Mason? Better player than Lee. In my opinion anyway. Where did we get him? The Long Island Surf league?

If we're hesitant about dealing anyone on this roster to better this team's future, we've really got some problems....
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1/17/2008  11:58 AM
Posted by knicksbabyyeah:

lol, rather one sided results in the poll

I was on the fence before voting to keep Lee and give up Balk+nate instead.
I agree with others that what Lee brings is harder to find than what Nate and Balk bring.

But I posted this poll because i thought that Nate+Balk were closing the gap. When you see Nate composed and playing that hustling scoring brand of ball and getting assists to boot, and you see Balkman changing games... its hard to say that they're an inferior package.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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