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Nalod
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1/14/2008  1:54 PM

There is no logic why Isiah gets extended and not fired.

Its obvious the knicks are a disaster, but could this be mostly Dolans directive and not Isiahs?

Many signs are there.
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1/14/2008  1:55 PM
Posted by Nalod:


There is no logic why Isiah gets extended and not fired.

Its obvious the knicks are a disaster, but could this be mostly Dolans directive and not Isiahs?

Many signs are there.

not sure what you mean. do you mean dolan had a direct hand in many player transactions? or did dolan suggest he bench marbury on certain occasions?
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1/14/2008  2:06 PM
Then we're screwed until Dolan dies or retires.

Two things:
(a) Isiah didn't starphuck in Toronto;
(b) starphucking in NY preceded Isiah
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1/14/2008  2:10 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Then we're screwed until Dolan dies or retires.

Two things:
(a) Isiah didn't starphuck in Toronto;
(b) starphucking in NY preceded Isiah

I think he collected some nice talent in Toronto. It would have been amazing to see Tmac, Vince, and Camby grow together. I believe he went this route in NY because Dolan let him(maybe it is what Dolan wanted in a way).
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1/14/2008  2:29 PM
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1/14/2008  2:31 PM
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Then we're screwed until Dolan dies or retires.

Two things:
(a) Isiah didn't starphuck in Toronto;
(b) starphucking in NY preceded Isiah

I think he collected some nice talent in Toronto. It would have been amazing to see Tmac, Vince, and Camby grow together. I believe he went this route in NY because Dolan let him(maybe it is what Dolan wanted in a way).

Don't forget Damon Stoudamire. He was Isiahesque coming outta arizona.

I kinda fel sorry for Isiah, but I feel more sorry for us.
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1/14/2008  2:33 PM
Although Thomas should get some of the blame because he is the GM, but, I believe, Dolan put pressure on Thomas for the beginning to make things happen and bring people to the Arena.

Now Dolan doesnt want to folk over any more money so he's stuck with Thomas because if he fires him he STILL has to pay him and spend more money on someone to replace him in the front office and the floor.
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1/14/2008  2:42 PM
Posted by Swishfm3:

Although Thomas should get some of the blame because he is the GM, but, I believe, Dolan put pressure on Thomas for the beginning to make things happen and bring people to the Arena.

Now Dolan doesnt want to folk over any more money so he's stuck with Thomas because if he fires him he STILL has to pay him and spend more money on someone to replace him in the front office and the floor.

What owner doesn't ask that of their GM?

The fact that there were other moves and draft picks that Isiah could have made, which would have put them in much better position than they are now, proves that this is Isiah's fault. Nobody, including Dolan, forced him to take on all these flawed players and trade away unprotected #1 picks.

Say what you want about Dolan being an ******* and an idiot but he's given Isiah complete freedom to acquire whoever he wanted and given an open checkbook to do it. Isiah has made so many mistakes it's impossible to even suggest that it isn't his fault that they're a complete laughingstock.
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1/14/2008  3:04 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Swishfm3:

Although Thomas should get some of the blame because he is the GM, but, I believe, Dolan put pressure on Thomas for the beginning to make things happen and bring people to the Arena.

Now Dolan doesnt want to folk over any more money so he's stuck with Thomas because if he fires him he STILL has to pay him and spend more money on someone to replace him in the front office and the floor.

What owner doesn't ask that of their GM?

The fact that there were other moves and draft picks that Isiah could have made, which would have put them in much better position than they are now, proves that this is Isiah's fault. Nobody, including Dolan, forced him to take on all these flawed players and trade away unprotected #1 picks.

Say what you want about Dolan being an ******* and an idiot but he's given Isiah complete freedom to acquire whoever he wanted and given an open checkbook to do it. Isiah has made so many mistakes it's impossible to even suggest that it isn't his fault that they're a complete laughingstock.

I agree. Most GMs would beg to have Dolan as an owner, even though Dolan is an idiot. Isiah made bad decisions with that freedom. Let's not excuse him because the owner is a dope.
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1/14/2008  3:14 PM
Did someone just say they feel sorry for isiah? That's a lifetime ban! Are you serious

The team has won 33, 23, 33 and likely 33 games again if they are lucky this year do you know who bad you have to **** up to make that happen.

He hasn't made one nice move since he has been here, not one. Seriouly you're giving him credit for what move trading for Eddy Curry because he didn't think future AllStars 3 of them wouldn't be worth what eddy could provide.....

The Lee deal was even stupid he moved up two draft slots and took on a long term three year deal, every signing he has made has been a bust, he ****ed every coach since he has been here, feel sorry for a guy that but everyone in his position including himself in a position to fail and then gave up all long term flexibilty to sign wade or lebron to zach. Great......

Not to mention he could have had Boozer, Odom, and a number of others for Frye instead he kept the kid destroyed his game and used him to get rid of another player he shouldn't have traded for in Francis.....

He lost his team, can't start the right players, and made the knicks the biggest joke in the league that's all dolans fault.
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1/14/2008  3:50 PM
Posted by MS:

Did someone just say they feel sorry for isiah? That's a lifetime ban! Are you serious

The team has won 33, 23, 33 and likely 33 games again if they are lucky this year do you know who bad you have to **** up to make that happen.

He hasn't made one nice move since he has been here, not one. Seriouly you're giving him credit for what move trading for Eddy Curry because he didn't think future AllStars 3 of them wouldn't be worth what eddy could provide.....

The Lee deal was even stupid he moved up two draft slots and took on a long term three year deal, every signing he has made has been a bust, he ****ed every coach since he has been here, feel sorry for a guy that but everyone in his position including himself in a position to fail and then gave up all long term flexibilty to sign wade or lebron to zach. Great......

Not to mention he could have had Boozer, Odom, and a number of others for Frye instead he kept the kid destroyed his game and used him to get rid of another player he shouldn't have traded for in Francis.....

He lost his team, can't start the right players, and made the knicks the biggest joke in the league that's all dolans fault.

I said it. I also said I was more sorry for us......I was joking.

So you trying to get a medal for stating the obvious today?

I don't give a **** about Isiah. There isn't a Knick fan standing up for Isiah on God's green earth. Not even my main man nixluva.

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1/14/2008  3:56 PM
Isiah didn't draft Carter
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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1/14/2008  6:36 PM
Dolan dosn't know much about coaching, or General managing. At one point he wanted high character guys( KVH,Eisley, Shannaon, weatherspoon, dice ect) when that didn't work, he brought in IT who said lets get long and athletic,( tim thomas, nazy, marbury, ect), then he says he wants guys that could put the ball in the basket, and play mutiple postition. Now they have a HUGE problem with chemistry and defense...Which after trying every other method, should be a no brainer at this point.

It's like if you only have three options a, b, n c, you already where wrong with A n B.
That why when Isiah talks about the future and these silly comments and sayings, he knows that eventually some one is going to come in( his dismiss is just a matter of time) and take most of what he's done and have some success in the coming years. Without whole sale changes.
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1/14/2008  6:50 PM
If Dolan decides to replace the GM, he should stop experimenting. To me, both Scott Layden and Isiah Thomas were experiments.

Stop experimenting on the team and bring in a proven GM. Then don't interfere with him - let him do his Job.

Hire good coaches and let them do their jobs. Don't alienate them and don't have the GM second guessing their every move and hovering over them.

Make it clear to everyone in the organization that there will be no nepotism, no favoritism. Make sure everyone understands that sexual harassment will not be tolerated.

Reward winning; reward good job performance.

Establish friendly relations with the press. Stop treating the fans like hunks of meat.

Then maybe we'll see things begin to turn around.

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1/14/2008  8:43 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

If Dolan decides to replace the GM, he should stop experimenting. To me, both Scott Layden and Isiah Thomas were experiments.

Stop experimenting on the team and bring in a proven GM. Then don't interfere with him - let him do his Job.

Hire good coaches and let them do their jobs. Don't alienate them and don't have the GM second guessing their every move and hovering over them.

Make it clear to everyone in the organization that there will be no nepotism, no favoritism. Make sure everyone understands that sexual harassment will not be tolerated.

Reward winning; reward good job performance.

Establish friendly relations with the press. Stop treating the fans like hunks of meat.

Then maybe we'll see things begin to turn around.
Layden was as proven as they come; he put Malone and Stockton together!
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1/14/2008  9:42 PM
That was Frank Layden (HIS FATHER) - so you can see - that meritocracy is alive and well in the professional sports as well as politics. Layden signed a 7 year 28 million dollar Guaranteed contract in 1999. Not bad for a guy who got his job via nepotism. That indexed for real inflation would be a 7 year deal for 80 million dollars when Isiah signed on!! Who says black men don't get a fair shot at management - people are so willing to belive that there is such a thing as racism today -for no reason at all.

In addition - he did an outstanding job of trading Camby/F Williams and the number seven pick (Nene-who is still hurt to this day) for I will be injured and unable to play for atleast 3 years McDyess -and it was NO secret that McDyess was coming off micro-fracture surgery of his knees.

In 3 short years this is the salary situation he left for the Knicks fans:

Allan Houston $14,343,750 7-yr; 100.41M 2006-07
Antonio McDyess $12,600,000 6-yr; 67.5M 2003-04
Latrell Sprewell $11,937,500 5-yr ;61.9M 2003-04 (p)
Shandon Anderson $6,100,000 6-yr; 42.0M 2006-07
Charlie Ward $5,570,000 6-yr; 28.0M + 2002-03 (p)
Howard Eisley $5,312,500 7-yr; 41.0M 2005-06 (t)
Clarence Weatherspoon $4,991,800 5-yr; 27.23M 2005-06
Kurt Thomas $4,903,750 3-yr; 13.0M 2003-04 (t)
Travis Knight $4,000,000 7-yr; 22.0M 2003-04
Othella Harrington $2,700,000 7-yr; 17.33M 2004-05
Michael Doleac $1,400,000 2-yr; 3.00M 2003-04
Frank Williams $832,560 4-yr; 4.40M 2004-05 (t)
Mark Pope $637,435 1-yr; 637,435 2002-03
Lee Nailon $587,435 1-yr; 587,435 2002-03
Lavor Postell $587,435 2-yr; 1.05M

Notice -how the Utah connection of Anderson and Eisley is tied up for 70 million dollars. In as little as 3 years -our boy (my pop is a legend cause he drafted Malone and Stockton) our boy racked up over 300 million dollars in salary - to future hall of famers that just abound on this roster !!!

Of course his draft picks were even better- Lavar Postel, Lampje, Vujanic, F Williams- I mean we all know these players turned ot to be as good as Gilbert Arenas, Amare Stoudemire, Dwight Howard- so you can't say he didn't know how to evaluate player personnel. The guy was a genius - he so potential in people that no one did - including the entire NBA, D-League and the European league. Amazing eye for talent for sure.
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1/14/2008  9:49 PM
Oh btw - when he knew his time was going to be up - he left the Knicks a few presents:

On July 23, 2003 Layden traded guard Latrell Sprewell with two years remaining on his contract to the Minnesota Timberwolves as part of a four-team trade that also included interactions with the 76ers and Hawks. In return, the Knicks acquired veteran forward Keith Van Horn. Van Horn, an integral part of the New Jersey Nets 2002 eastern conference title, played in only 47 games for New York in just one season, averaging 16.4 points and 7.3 rebounds-per-game. Van Horn's salary of 3-years still remaining on a 6-year $73 Million contract that he signed as a member of the Nets, put the Knicks further over the salary cap.

The last transaction of notable implications that Layden made as general manager came on October 9, when he signed the 37 year old center Dikembe Mutombo to a 2-year, $8.5 Million contract.

Yeah - your right - it's ALL Isiah's fault - and all of us - who have never had a single day in a job as a player, coach (or coached the all-star team) , taken a team to the playoffs 3 straight years etc - we all know - that Isiah is terribel - any white guy -like McHale/ Mullin (check his record with Adonal Foyle/Dampier/etc etc and signings for years) are way better than Isiah - who in one year turned the Knicks roster to its youngest since 1999.

yeah - after all - we pay so much attention to whats going on- I wonder why we didn't get the job and extension -huh :)
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1/14/2008  9:50 PM
I meant youngest since 1990 - sowwy :) :0
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1/14/2008  9:51 PM
I'm just so beat down by this team, I really have nothing more to say.
I've been to 5 games this year, and they've stunk up the joint every time.
I'm done.
I'm so done. I'll only check in here to find out when Isiah is gone or to
see what happens with our draft pick.
Otherwise, I just don't have the stamina anymore. I don't know where you guys
find the energy to go on and on about this HORRIBLE team.
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1/14/2008  9:58 PM
Posted by iyamwutiam:

Oh btw - when he knew his time was going to be up - he left the Knicks a few presents:

On July 23, 2003 Layden traded guard Latrell Sprewell with two years remaining on his contract to the Minnesota Timberwolves as part of a four-team trade that also included interactions with the 76ers and Hawks. In return, the Knicks acquired veteran forward Keith Van Horn. Van Horn, an integral part of the New Jersey Nets 2002 eastern conference title, played in only 47 games for New York in just one season, averaging 16.4 points and 7.3 rebounds-per-game. Van Horn's salary of 3-years still remaining on a 6-year $73 Million contract that he signed as a member of the Nets, put the Knicks further over the salary cap.

The last transaction of notable implications that Layden made as general manager came on October 9, when he signed the 37 year old center Dikembe Mutombo to a 2-year, $8.5 Million contract.

Yeah - your right - it's ALL Isiah's fault - and all of us - who have never had a single day in a job as a player, coach (or coached the all-star team) , taken a team to the playoffs 3 straight years etc - we all know - that Isiah is terribel - any white guy -like McHale/ Mullin (check his record with Adonal Foyle/Dampier/etc etc and signings for years) are way better than Isiah - who in one year turned the Knicks roster to its youngest since 1999.

yeah - after all - we pay so much attention to whats going on- I wonder why we didn't get the job and extension -huh :)

Who cares if the roster is young if its filled with players that can't play. Oh yeah, race has nothing to do with this, much to your chagrin.
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