Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by VDesai:
You wanna trade all 3 of those guys for a guy who's averaging 3 and 3? Not saying Armstrong isn't talented, but the guy has proven very little and hasn't broken into a rotation yet. There's no way you'd have to give up 3 players for him...you should be able to get him 1 for 1 for Balkman or Nate if you were so inclined.
we sure are not going to get armstrong if he averages 15/10.. I am not saying I would do this deal, but these are when you get guys like armstrong, and looking at his skillset, he can get 10-12ppg/10 boards and 2 blocks per game.. easy. Now with playing time and confidence, he can be that player, and if he does that on the hornets, the knicks won't stand a chance in hell at getting him.. Once a guy breaks out, chances are a team is not going to trade him, especially if he is still producing big on his rookie deal..
Good post. At this current time, we have to do these kinds of deals, we have to go for the guys who have talent but can't crack a rotation for whatever reason. Briggs had a good thread about this a few weeks ago and I listed a bunch of players in it that I wanted to go after, I believe I listed Hilton, if I didn't I meant to. Walter Hermann was a good guy to go after, but he was recently traded. Francisco Garcia is another one. We need to make trades like this if we think the talent is suitable and I think Hilton is suitable.
Wow. Yeah it is a good post. I've been the one talking Armstrong and Francisco Garcia for awhile now. LOL!!!!
Only thing is, you're not gonna get Armstrong for Nate, Balkman and Morris. I don't think so anyway.
You wanna throw Lee in the mix, New Orleans at least doesn't hang the phone up on us...
You know this is what New Orleans would say to this proposal:
Although he's been playing well of late, Nate's a 5'9" (more like 5'7") scoring guard who hasn't shown he can play the point on a regular basis, Balkman's buried on the bench on a terrible team as is Randolph Morris who wasn't even drafted. For the 12th pick in the 2006 draft????
WHAT ABOUT LEE ISIAH?????????????
And no offense TMS, the Mo Pete (who's actually a good player - better than Q and Craw although he's a little older), Armstrong, & a 2nd rounder for the same unimpressive package plus the useless Jeffries is even more comical. And VDesai, straight up for only Nate or Balkman??? You've got to be kidding right? That's even better. What makes you guys think the Hornets would go for stuff like that???? WHAT'S IN IT FOR THEM????
The Hornets are on the cusp of really doing something. They're only a game out in the Southwest Division, right there with Dallas and the Spurs. And they're doing it all basically without Armstrong who doesn't get the PT out there for a combination of different reasons that I've talked about before at great length. They're looking for a trade that makes them on par with or better than Dallas and San Antonio, bottom line. Although they'd laugh at the three above scenarios, they'd seriously have to consider a Lee package. For them, Lee would give them a slightly more experienced frontcourt player than Armstrong at this point, a guy used to getting substantial minutes two years in a row now (while Armstrong only plays about 10 mins. a night, sometimes less), and a guy that would give them a chance to rest Chandler or West for longer stretches w/o losing too much which for them I think is key - they need to keep those two guys fresh for the second half to give themselves a chance to have a nice run in the playoffs.
You guys wanna get serious about trades for the Knicks? Be willing to kick in Lee. Otherwise don't even bother posting a trade. Although Lee's a good player, I don't see the fascination with him. He's a nice overachieving role player and solid rebounder but if I was given the opportunity to take a chance right now on a young player that might not look like much now but a guy that has potential to be something really nice 2-3 years from now (like a Sergio Rodriguez, Martell Webster, Morris Almond, Patrick O'Bryant) and/or draft picks I'm all for dealing Lee. Compared to these players, I'm not even sure if Armstrong fits that bill anymore as he really is a piece I wanted to put next to Curry and Randolph as of a few weeks ago. But even after coming to the conclusion recently that the whole thing should be blown up and we should start over asap, Armstrong still might fit the bill - he's about a year younger than Lee, he's bigger and has a better overall skill set. Plus he brings a shotblocking element to the club that we haven't had since Ewing. So even if we blow it up and wind up dealing Lee, Curry, Randolph, Crawford and everyone else, Armstrong would be a nice player to develop moving forward. tkf had the best response here - what's to say the Hornets would even want to deal Armstrong if he was getting the minutes and averaging 15/10 w/2blocks a game?
How's this for a fair trade where we don't embarrass ourselves:
Lee/Collins for Armstrong and their late 1st rounder in the 2008 draft.
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Rip this whole thing down and strike now on talent that might not fit into some team's plans - a player a team might not know what to do with because they already have a surplus at that position. Basically I want guys with 1985/1986 birthdays or younger - guys we can get now, develop into something special and will still be young enough when this team turns the corner in five years. That's how I's start over right now.
[Edited by - finestrg on 01-11-2008 2:57 PM]
1/11/2008 11:15 AM