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JaydeeNYC
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1/6/2008  10:27 AM
I've got two scenarios. My solution... Try to trade w/ Chicago yet again. or Seattle

Chicago Option
Offer Zach Randolph and our 2nd rd pick
for Chicago's 1st rd pick next year (Projected #10 now, but would probably be lower after this deal), Joakim Noah, Chris Duhon and Joe Smith

Draft- Donte Greene with our pick, (Whether It's #1 or 5) It doesn't matter, we need a scoring small forward with good perimeter shooting and solid Defense.

Chicago Pick-- Best available talent (My pick Darren Collison, PG... Playmaker at UCLA.. I think he might be the best point guard out of this draft class when it's all said and done. IMO)

Trade for Ron Artest. YES, another cry for Tru Warrier! Offer Sactown, Nate, Robinson, Renaldo Balkman, and Jared Jeffries. Do this before February trade deadline if possible!

Apply for the injury exception, for Quentin Richardson... or just buy the dude out. He has NEVER been the same since his back issues! In his Clipper days, he was the truth.. now it's over for son.

Offer a nice deal to David Lee, keep him in NY! Haven't seen much of Randolph Morris, but in college he was pretty decent.. I'd sign him again, for a year or so, w/ an option. Do not resign, Fred Jones and Chris Duhon after this season ends. Keep Marbury, Joe Smith and Malik Rose.. Let there money come off the books after the 09' season. Make a Hard push for CP3 or Deron Williams if, their respective teams are dumb enough to let them test free agency... I doubt it.

Curry/Noah/Morris
Lee/Smith/Rose
Greene/Chandler
Artest/Crawford
Marbury/Collison/Collins

Seattle Option- Blow it up
Offer Eddy Curry, Jamal Crawford and our 2nd rd pick
for Seattle's #5 pick, Wally Szczerbiak, Delonte West, Johan Petro

Assuming Minnesota drafts #1 (DeAndre Jordan), Miami #2 (Micheal Beasley), Memphis #3 (I don't see Memphis picking a PG or SF,-- Could trade out)

At 4 and 5 we select Derrick Rose and Donte Greene.

James/Petro
Randolph/Lee/Jeffries/Rose
Greene/Balkman/Chandler
Szczerbiak/West/Jones
Rose/Marbury/Robinson/Collins


If by chance, we get divine intervention and land in the #1 spot. We draft DeAndre Jordan 1st, at 5# we select Derrick Rose w/ Seattle Pick

Jordan/James/Petro/Morris
Lee/Jeffries/Rose
Marion/Chandler
Szczerbiak
Rose/Marbury/Robinson/Collins

Trade: Zach Randolph and Renaldo Balkman for Shawn Marion (Resign)

Waive: Quentin Richardson- Pray for an Injury Exception!!!

Again offer a nice deal to David Lee, keep him in NY! Match offers to Randolph Morris, if its for a couple of years or so, w/ an option, anything over 4yrs let him go. Do not resign, Fred Jones or Delonte West after this season ends. Keep Marbury, Szczerbiak, and Malik Rose.. Let there money come off the books after the 09' season.

Look to trade expiring deals for picks

What would you do?
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1/6/2008  11:09 AM
Try to trade w/ Chicago yet again.

I'm convinced we will never learn.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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1/6/2008  11:35 AM
these aren't bad scenarios- first move, obviously, is getting rid of isiah and getting in a smart GM.
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1/6/2008  11:38 AM
We need a smart owner to do that.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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1/6/2008  11:46 AM
What would be the point of tanking the season and trying for the #1, if we make any' moves? We want to get chicago's #10 and pick up another headcase in Ron Artest?

I'm starting to honestly beleive that the Knick fan is becoming conditioned to further wanting to wreck whatever possible future we may have left to look foreward to.

At what point do we say 'don't go after what you already know is damaged goods'? The thing that you KNOW is not a sure thing?! Good grief!!!
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1/6/2008  12:19 PM
Posted by JaydeeNYC:

Chicago Option
Offer Zach Randolph and our 2nd rd pick
for Chicago's 1st rd pick next year (Projected #10 now, but would probably be lower after this deal), Joakim Noah, Chris Duhon and Joe Smith

I don't believe we have our 2nd round pick this year.
That went to Portland for Demetris Nichols
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1/6/2008  12:27 PM
Posted by MaTT4281:
Posted by JaydeeNYC:

Chicago Option
Offer Zach Randolph and our 2nd rd pick
for Chicago's 1st rd pick next year (Projected #10 now, but would probably be lower after this deal), Joakim Noah, Chris Duhon and Joe Smith

I don't believe we have our 2nd round pick this year.
That went to Portland for Demetris Nichols

ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.......that's right! Isiah even messed up your trade scenario here.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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1/6/2008  1:52 PM
Posted by 4949:

What would be the point of tanking the season and trying for the #1, if we make any' moves? We want to get chicago's #10 and pick up another headcase in Ron Artest?

I'm starting to honestly beleive that the Knick fan is becoming conditioned to further wanting to wreck whatever possible future we may have left to look foreward to.

At what point do we say 'don't go after what you already know is damaged goods'? The thing that you KNOW is not a sure thing?! Good grief!!!



The point is not to tank the season.. Fact is, the knicks are playing hard.. they just suck. I doubt they are deliberately trying to lose. So the idea, of this trade is to make moves and get better, while cutting salary. Getting Chicago's #1st rd'r gives us another prospect, who wouldn't want that as a Knick Fan? Ron Artest, has 1 yr remaining.. If it doesn't work... you don't resign him! What is the harm in this approach

I know this is an opinionated statement but how does this trade "further wreck whatever possible future we may have left to look foreward to."? It's clearing cap space, and giving us defensive minded players that don't limit Eddy Curry's ability to be productive.. moreover we get high draft picks! What more could you want? Wait it out and only get 1 draft pick... don't relieve our cap situation?

As far as the 2nd rd pick is concerned? Would that really make or break the deal? No.. If so give up another future 2nd rd pick!
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1/6/2008  2:35 PM
If we deal with chicago, you know what their going to do to us again, right?

Right after the deal, their going to play like champions, get their record way up, make the playoffs and leave us with a second rounder. That's why I said will never learn.

As for the danger of our future, if we keep dealing in old, broken down donkey's. If we keep signing these types of players, then we are sacrificing any possibility of making cap room to offer a big contract to a true super star, when they become available. It's gonna be hard pressed luck to try an find one in the draft and the chance of getting the #1 is very scarce. Man' I've said this so, so many times, I'm beating my brains out with this stuff. The term for this is 'it's the future stupid'! We have a chance at the future every three or four years and we've had two GMs who've went around that fresh opportunity and signed nothing but Bozo's!!! I mean dude, when will we EVER learn our lesson. Everyone else in the league knows how to do it, except us.

Can we once and for all forget about ****'n Ron Artest?! He's a total has-been and isn't worth taking the chance on. I've even given up on Kobe Bryant. He's available after next year, around the time he's going to start to go down in stock. You don't invest in stock that goes down. You want promising stock that will grow, that has sure potential. Lets stop going after all of these half ass, medicre players and invest in a real future!

Here are the examples that don't work:

Marbury
James
Zach
Q
Crawford
Jeffries
Rose
Curry

Let's go further:

Mutombo
Dice
Harrington
Hardaway
Francis
just to name a few

Please, no one fight for their rights as solid or superstar status! They all turned out to suck for us and never got us anywhere. These are the types to stay away from. Keep the few pieces we have that are good (you be the judge) and let's save the money, keeping it tied in low key, short term contracts, until a ligit superstar hits the market.

Meanwhile, let's keep drafting what we can and taking a good look at the rooks like Lee, Balkman, Collins, Chandler, Morris, Nate and whatever else we can get. We need legit building plans. No more garbage. No more garbage plans. And don't listen to Isiah's big speech about not leaving until he gets the job done. Bull ****! He's a sweet talker and I had enough of his crap. Anywhere else, he would have been long gone (and was if you look at the record).

Eventually something great will come out of staying young and continued, flexible exploration.

It's a perfect scenario.
You don't have to pay young players a ton of money yet.
You have the option of getting rid of them sooner, if they don't work out.
You have a chance of developing them and time to decide whether they are worth more money.
And if you have the money to get a superstar position player or maybe two (boston got three), then you'll have the perfect chemistry of growing and building around someone. And from there, it's just a matter of time before we knock on the door. If we're real lucky, we will be knocking sooner than expected.

But this can only happen if we stop making the dumbass moves!!!


[Edited by - 4949 on 01-06-2008 2:37 PM]
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1/6/2008  2:41 PM
Note: fist and foremost, the president/GM/coach needs to be removed and the roster needs to be overhauled.

With that said, I'll play along:

Trade Zach Randolph to New Jersey, for Jamal Magloire, Marcus Williams and Jason Collins. Magloire expires this summmer along with Fred Jones. Collins expires along with Marb and Malik Rose.

Marcus Williams is like getting another draft pick and he solves our pg needs and allows us to use our draft pick for another much needed position (Sf, SG, Defensive help up front etc).

I would buy the Suns first round pick since they usually dont have/want to spend the money on a draft pick.

Then I would sell, sell, sell. We are stacked with redundant players etc.....Identify the buyers around the trade deadline and see if we can move contracts (Craw, Curry) for shorter deals and possibly draft picks.







[Edited by - bigbeast on 06-01-2008 2:46 PM]
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1/6/2008  2:45 PM
if we make that zach dump, that means the #8 2005 pick turned out to be marcus williams.

zach for vince. that's the deal nj will think about. they can't afford FOUR $10mil+ deals on the books.
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1/6/2008  2:45 PM
Posted by bigbeast:

Note: fist and foremost, the president/GM/coach needs to be removed and the roster needs to be overhauled.

With that said, I'll play along:

Trade Zach Randolph to New Jersey, for Jamal Magloire, Marcus Williams and Jason Collins. Magloire expires this summmer along with Fred Jones. Collins expires along with Marb and Malik Rose.

Marcus Williams is like getting another draft pick and he solves our pg needs and allows us to use our draft pick for another much needed position (Sf, SG, Defensive help up front etc).

I would buy the Suns first round pick since they usually dont have/want to spend the money on a draft pick. Other than that, I would have to wait until the trade deadlin and see who are the buyers and who are the sellers. Obviously, we should be sellers.

This is exactly what I just said we shouldn't be doing. This is dealing on a medocre level. Stop it!
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1/6/2008  2:48 PM
Posted by 4949:
Posted by bigbeast:

Note: fist and foremost, the president/GM/coach needs to be removed and the roster needs to be overhauled.

With that said, I'll play along:

Trade Zach Randolph to New Jersey, for Jamal Magloire, Marcus Williams and Jason Collins. Magloire expires this summmer along with Fred Jones. Collins expires along with Marb and Malik Rose.

Marcus Williams is like getting another draft pick and he solves our pg needs and allows us to use our draft pick for another much needed position (Sf, SG, Defensive help up front etc).

I would buy the Suns first round pick since they usually dont have/want to spend the money on a draft pick. Other than that, I would have to wait until the trade deadlin and see who are the buyers and who are the sellers. Obviously, we should be sellers.

This is exactly what I just said we shouldn't be doing. This is dealing on a medocre level. Stop it!

How is thius a deal on a mediocre level? Explain. (BTW, what do you expect to get for Zach if your intentions are to move him?)
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1/6/2008  2:50 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

if we make that zach dump, that means the #8 2005 pick turned out to be marcus williams.

zach for vince. that's the deal nj will think about. they can't afford FOUR $10mil+ deals on the books.


No way do I take Vince back. I'm figuring with the league so wide open this year, NJ might figure they can make one last run at a championship. Thorn I believe is on record as saying he plans on resigning J Kidd. If thats the case, Marcus Williams can be expendable.

BTW, Marcus Williams without a doubt was talented enough to be a lotto pick the year he came out.
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1/6/2008  2:54 PM
Stop dealing. Too late to improve for this season. Go for the draft and let the contracts we have either close out or get close, so we end up with more flexible options in the near future. Don't replace mediocre with another set of long term mediocre's. See the long post between Jaydee and yourself.
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1/6/2008  3:03 PM
Posted by 4949:

If we deal with chicago, you know what their going to do to us again, right?

Right after the deal, their going to play like champions, get their record way up, make the playoffs and leave us with a second rounder. That's why I said will never learn.

Can we once and for all forget about ****'n Ron Artest?! He's a total has-been and isn't worth taking the chance on. I've even given up on Kobe Bryant. He's available after next year, around the time he's going to start to go down in stock. You don't invest in stock that goes down. You want promising stock that will grow, that has sure potential. Lets stop going after all of these half ass, medicre players and invest in a real future!

[Edited by - 4949 on 01-06-2008 2:37 PM]


Dude, So what if Chicago gets better this year.. that's the point of the trade for them. They can afford to mortgage some of there future at an attempt to win now! They have a need for a low post scoring option... thats what they lack. Zach Randolph, if nothing else fills that need for them. As far as them "leaving us w/ a 2nd rd pick"???? How likely is that???.. maybe a late 1st rd'r at worst. Even with that.. Is it a bad deal, if we are shedding salary in the process, by taking on Duhon(expiring), Smith (Expiring) and Noah, who is not a bum-- but just happens to do the same things as Tyrus Thomas?


Ron Artest is not a "has been"; where did you get that idea? He is arguably one of the best two-way players in the league. His problem is he is a nut case. If he doesn't work out, then you don't sign him long term at seasons end... Again I don't see him coming here as being a problem




[Edited by - JaydeeNYC on 01-06-2008 3:17 PM]
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1/6/2008  3:12 PM
No team is giving up a draft pick (including 2nd round) or taking back one more penny in salary than they're giving up just to get Zach. We saw this off-season just how low other teams' interest in him is. Do you really think his "stellar" season this year on the Knicks has helped his trade value?!
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1/6/2008  3:15 PM
Posted by 4949:

Stop dealing. Too late to improve for this season. Go for the draft and let the contracts we have either close out or get close, so we end up with more flexible options in the near future. Don't replace mediocre with another set of long term mediocre's. See the long post between Jaydee and yourself.

The deal that I proposed gives us and expiring this yr, one next yr and a young pg which is akin to getting an additional draft pick. Moving Zach gets rid of a 4 yr deal.
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1/6/2008  3:42 PM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by 4949:

Stop dealing. Too late to improve for this season. Go for the draft and let the contracts we have either close out or get close, so we end up with more flexible options in the near future. Don't replace mediocre with another set of long term mediocre's. See the long post between Jaydee and yourself.

The deal that I proposed gives us and expiring this yr, one next yr and a young pg which is akin to getting an additional draft pick. Moving Zach gets rid of a 4 yr deal.

I just re-read your post. Yes, you mentioned Marcus (that sounds all good and stuff), but you propose at the expense of something I'm totally against anymore. Bringing in others, where we'll have to sign to another three to four (or more years) mega dollar deals. You see, we keep re-signing the same types right back into our roster and tying ourselves back up again in not so promising players. Thus, not being able to have the money, the cap to sign a true superstar, when they become available! Look at the history of our make-up and the results the last ten years. This is the point I have been trying make for years now. We need to stop that!

[Edited by - 4949 on 01-06-2008 3:44 PM]
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1/6/2008  4:01 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

No team is giving up a draft pick (including 2nd round) or taking back one more penny in salary than they're giving up just to get Zach. We saw this off-season just how low other teams' interest in him is. Do you really think his "stellar" season this year on the Knicks has helped his trade value?!

Don't be so sure... Chicago has reportedly been willing to give up a 1st rd pick plus Ben Gordon for Pau Gasol. I know our fans historically believe that Knick's players lack trade value (Not True, IMO)... but can you honestly argue that Gasol is that much better than Zach Randolph? Gasol is having a down year as well, wouldn't you agree? A trade like this can happen for NYK, will it... remains to be seen.

[Edited by - JaydeeNYC on 01-06-2008 4:04 PM]
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