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PresIke
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1/3/2008  10:20 PM
Gotta say I'm shocked by this one. He probably won't win NY, but this was sure a pleasant surprise.

I am seriously considering registering from no party/independent to Democrat so I can vote in the primary here.

Edwards a solid 2nd, tied with Hillary, but ahead in votes.

Very interesting storyline.
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1/3/2008  10:49 PM
Interesting indeed how long before the dirty tricks kick into full-gear? This is a nice win for Obama but I wouldn't be surprised if Edwards is able to pull out the nomination he's my "dark horse" of the Democratic nom race. Also how scary is that Huckabee won a primary he's a cross between religious wackjob and simpleton.
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1/3/2008  10:59 PM
depending on how you view history, that the moment makes the man or the man makes the moment- I really feel that the world and America needs someone like Obama- he'd go a long way towards restoring america's place in the world.

Huckabee, to me, sounds like the name of the guy who lost.
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1/3/2008  11:01 PM
Obama was the leader going into today, but I'm surprised Edwards was able to get in there with Hilary. I like Edwards the first time he ran, but he seemed to lose some steam (and had a funny hypocrtical episode when he lamented the subprime mortgage crisis but worked for a hedge fund which had ownership interest in several lenders!). This is an interesting come back. I think he's the most attractive candidate to middle America and the south and that should firmly place him on the radar.

On the Republican side I like Romney's background, but he seemed to lose some support after his so-called "attack" ads.
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1/3/2008  11:02 PM
Posted by bitty41:

Interesting indeed how long before the dirty tricks kick into full-gear? This is a nice win for Obama but I wouldn't be surprised if Edwards is able to pull out the nomination he's my "dark horse" of the Democratic nom race. Also how scary is that Huckabee won a primary he's a cross between religious wackjob and simpleton.

Religious wackjobs and simpletons make up most of middle America.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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1/3/2008  11:09 PM
Posted by kam77:
Posted by bitty41:

Interesting indeed how long before the dirty tricks kick into full-gear? This is a nice win for Obama but I wouldn't be surprised if Edwards is able to pull out the nomination he's my "dark horse" of the Democratic nom race. Also how scary is that Huckabee won a primary he's a cross between religious wackjob and simpleton.

Religious wackjobs and simpletons make up most of middle America.

His personality is exactly what made Bush popular the first time around. The kind of everyman, man of the people guy the red states can relate too. The so-called "compassionate" conservative.
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1/3/2008  11:14 PM
Iowa's a wacko state. You never know what those people think. I been there many times. They're easy. You can tell them anything and they'll believe it. I never did go for these caucases. They don't mean much of anything. The polls across the board (major polls) had Hillary far, far ahead of all other Democrats, since January 2007, so polls and caucases don't mean anything really. And I mean she's been projected so far ahead, if you ten-times the margin of error, it still wouldn't be close, according to the polls. And she's been projected by all the major polls, leading the entire United States 97% of the time.

Election day is where it counts and when that day comes, it could be a totally different story. Huckabee could actually end up winning the whole damn thing. Bush got in, so you know anyone can. Don't get your hopes too high up for anyone just yet. It ain't over til it's over.
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1/3/2008  11:15 PM
Kam,

No doubt and unfortunately these religious wackjobs and simpletons are a very motivated bunch when it comes to voting. I think the big theme this election is the populist message and thats why Ron Paul has so much popularity.

VDesai,

I think Hilary is in trouble she's going too much hate out there Democratics and Republicans alike. I read this the other day and to me it epitomized a lot of the sentiment about Clinton's campaign at a John McCain rally one woman stood up in the audience and asked "how do we beat the bitch" and she wasn't talking about Mitt Romney. Unfortunately for Hilary people either love her or absolutely despise her.
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1/3/2008  11:17 PM
And I never understood why' they hate her so much.
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1/3/2008  11:22 PM
I don't feel like Hillary is a very accomplished politician, and I don't think she has a firm stance on anything. That said, I'm pretty confident she'd surround herself without a lot of competent people and she could get the job done. But I have never thought of her as a particularly strong candidate on her own merits.

That being said its not like Obama is an experienced or accomplished guy yet either. But Obama has a certain charisma, hope and idealism that connects with people a lot more than anything the other democratic candidates have.
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1/3/2008  11:28 PM
Yeah, but it's scary as hell. What if he gets assasinated? This country would be turned upside down.
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1/3/2008  11:29 PM
I'd do a rail or two with Obama, whereas I'd need a fifth and a blunt to even begin tolerating Hilary (and I wouldn't want her to drink with me). I mean, um, Isiah sucks.
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1/3/2008  11:30 PM
The funny thing is that the most accomplished and experienced legislator here is John McCain. He has a solid history of creating legislation, finding the middle ground and even crossing party lines to get things done. Very much and independent thinker.

He just never got it going from a PR perspective and doesn't really have the favor of all the conservatives because of his "maverick" reputation. I do not generally vote Republican, but he's one of the few politicians I actually respect.
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1/3/2008  11:30 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:

I'd do a rail or two with Obama, whereas I'd need a fifth and a blunt to even begin tolerating Hilary (and I wouldn't want her to drink with me). I mean, um, Isiah sucks.

Whatever that' means.
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1/3/2008  11:32 PM
America doesn't need another dynasty/power hungary family we need some change and someone that isn't going to maintain the status quo.

Now if only we could work out a Obama/Edwards or Edwards/Obama ticket
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1/3/2008  11:33 PM
Posted by VDesai:

The funny thing is that the most accomplished and experienced legislator here is John McCain. He has a solid history of creating legislation, finding the middle ground and even crossing party lines to get things done. Very much and independent thinker.

He just never got it going from a PR perspective and doesn't really have the favor of all the conservatives because of his "maverick" reputation. I do not generally vote Republican, but he's one of the few politicians I actually respect.

I have to respect him too. But I think the fact that he looks too damn old to even be running. The presidency makes a man get old fast. And he's had questionable health, so I think his age and health would be against him, and his dedication is why he's even in the running. Looks like all of these candidates have some kind of flaw.
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1/3/2008  11:34 PM
Posted by bitty41:

America doesn't need another dynasty/power hungary family we need some change and someone that isn't going to maintain the status quo.

Now if only we could work out a Obama/Edwards or Edwards/Obama ticket

For me, experience plays a HUGE roll in who I'm voting for. I couldn't imagine putting someone in there with very little experience as a Senator alone. Not to mention he's a chicagoan.
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1/3/2008  11:34 PM
Posted by VDesai:

The funny thing is that the most accomplished and experienced legislator here is John McCain. He has a solid history of creating legislation, finding the middle ground and even crossing party lines to get things done. Very much and independent thinker.

He just never got it going from a PR perspective and doesn't really have the favor of all the conservatives because of his "maverick" reputation. I do not generally vote Republican, but he's one of the few politicians I actually respect.


Nothing I mean NOTHING can prepare you for being the President of the United States. McCain I liked back in 2000 but he' sold out since then to get the right-wing Christian vote.
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1/3/2008  11:35 PM
Posted by 4949:

Yeah, but it's scary as hell. What if he gets assasinated? This country would be turned upside down.

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1/3/2008  11:38 PM
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by VDesai:

The funny thing is that the most accomplished and experienced legislator here is John McCain. He has a solid history of creating legislation, finding the middle ground and even crossing party lines to get things done. Very much and independent thinker.

He just never got it going from a PR perspective and doesn't really have the favor of all the conservatives because of his "maverick" reputation. I do not generally vote Republican, but he's one of the few politicians I actually respect.



Nothing I mean NOTHING can prepare you for being the President of the United States. McCain I liked back in 2000 but he' sold out since then to get the right-wing Christian vote.


Yeah that disspointed me very much. But his ability to tow the middle line and work with the other side is one of the qualities you look for in the Prez.

[Edited by - vdesai on 01-03-2008 11:38 PM]
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