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1/2/2008  1:49 PM
This article is taken from the Jan. 14. issue of ESPN The Magazine.

Remember right after "Moneyball" was published, when baseball execs began to embrace the logic of, "Hey, if we put together a lineup of high-OBP hitters, we might score more runs," and everyone else was like, "Wait, that's obvious -- why didn't they always do this?"

I don't want to jinx it, but we may have reached a similar tipping point in the NBA. If you're a hoops fan, you should be delighted. If you're Spurs coach Gregg Popovich or GM R.C. Buford, you should be miserable. If you're Ricky Davis' agent, you should resign before he becomes a free agent this summer. If you're a sarcastic sportswriter who loves making fun of bad GMs, you should be in mourning. (Note: I'm writing this column dressed all in black.) And if you're a Knicks or a Heat fan, throw down two shots and hit yourself in the head before reading on.

Here's the new mantra for savvy NBA teams: "Chemacterility." Why haven't you heard the term before? Because I just made it up. But it's an amalgam of three concepts that have formed the foundation of the Duncan Era in San Antonio: chemistry, character and (cap) flexibility. As soon as Duncan arrived, in 1997, Popovich and Buford began to avoid bad guys and bad contracts, preferring role players, quality guys and short-term deals. They're so fanatic about chemistry that when Luis Scola jumped to the NBA this summer, they traded his rights, partly because they weren't sure he could adjust from being a star in Spain to being a supporting player here. They didn't even want to take the chance he'd screw them up!

Even though the Spurs have won four titles with Duncan, for whatever reason, every other GM except Detroit's Joe Dumars has continually refused to emulate them. But that changed this summer. Sure, Danny Ainge revamped the Celtics by acquiring Ray Allen and KG, but the rest of his game plan has been equally important to the team's early success, and it hasn't received nearly enough fanfare. He filled a depleted roster with unselfish, high-character guys like Eddie House, James Posey and Scot Pollard and refused to pursue any moody vets. Thanks but no thanks, GP and Troy Hudson!

Much has been made of Boston's team slogan -- "Ubuntu," an African word meaning unity -- but you need to attend a Celtics game to understand why they're on pace for 139 wins this season. In the layup lines, everyone is high-fiving and joshing. Before the opening tip, Posey greets each starter with a prolonged man-hug and inspirational words. The nightly sequence might hark back uncomfortably to Rocky and Apollo's beach snuggle, but it works. During games, bench players stand and cheer as if they're being coached by Mark Madsen. In garbage time, the starters root just as passionately for the scrubs.

These guys eat dinner, hang out, work out and play video games together. They don't care about stats, acclaim, shots or minutes. It's a team in every sense. Even better, Boston's future is protected for years to come: Allen's contract expires in 2010, Pierce's in 2011, KG's in 2012. The Celtics are good, and they will continue to be good. What more can you ask for? When you can mix talent with chemacterility, you have something substantial.

Now, if you're a Blazers fan, you're thinking, Wait, that sounds familiar! After enduring the debilitating Jail Blazers Era, the locals despised the team so much that Portland's suits targeted chemistry guys out of self-preservation. Quite simply, Blazers fans needed to like the team again or the franchise was going to be run out of town. When the Blazers spent a 2005 lottery pick on Martell Webster, then-GM John Nash defended the reach pick by telling ESPN, "We think we took an outstanding young man. He's a terrific character, somebody that the community of Portland can be proud of." Was he drafting a councilman or a shooting guard?

That mind-set led Portland to Jarrett Jack, Brandon Roy and LaMarcus Aldridge. It also convinced them to give away Zach Randolph for Steve Francis and Channing Frye, then to buy out Francis, the world-class sulker, for $30 million, nipping any chance he'd contaminate the kids. Maybe those last two moves seem like an over- reaction -- you don't just give away 20/10 guys, right? -- but their devotion to cleaning house was admirable, and smart. (Note: Sure, Darius Miles still lurks. But when he's done rehabbing his knee, he'll surely be looking at a Francis-like buyout. Well, unless they can trade him or frame him for something. After that win streak in December, it's clear that keeping Miles makes as much sense for the Blazers as replacing Zac Efron with Pacman Jones for High School Musical 3 would for Disney.)

Although their initial rebuilding plan centered on creating cap space after 2009 and stockpiling enough assets to swing a KG-like deal, the Blazers sped things up this season by becoming the poster boys for chemacterility. They've also left the average NBA fan perplexed. After all, Boston's resurgence makes sense because they have three All-Stars; the Blazers have one emerging star (Roy) leading a mishmashed collection of youngsters and role players. They're a good raw team, but 13-in-a-row good? Without Oden? After they thumped a more talented Raptors team on Dec. 19, Jason Kapono told reporters, "Their chemistry is so good right now, and that's so hard to deal with."

Have you ever heard anyone blame the other team's chemistry for a loss? Me neither. Clearly the Blazers have stumbled onto something. On the flip side, look at the ongoing catastrophe in Miami. Poor D-Wade looks like Will Smith trying to carry I, Robot: His supporting cast stinks, and the script sucks. Who'd blame him if he were thinking about his next movie? Shaq's monster contract killed their cap through 2010, which would be fine if he hadn't developed rigor mortis over the summer. Even worse, Posey was allowed to leave, and the team violated chemacterility Rules 1 through 23 by trading for Davis and Mark Blount. That made about as much sense as holding practice next to a leaking nuclear reactor.

(Last note, I promise: Yes, I know, Miami looks like San Antonio South compared with the damage Isiah Thomas has inflicted on the Knicks. As a belated holiday gift to New Yorkers, I'll skip the gory details. Just know that Isiah is to chemacterility what the Saw series is to wholesome family comedy.)

Regardless, Popovich and the Blazers' Kevin Pritchard have to be cringing. Their secret is out: Talent and chemistry go hand in hand. Will we ever see a team willingly trade for Davis or Blount again or sign a knucklehead like Randolph to an $86 million extension? Sure. There will always be desperate GMs. But I expect more teams to copy the Celtics and Blazers with shrewder signings, more short-term deals and a higher premium on character.

So welcome to the era of chemacterility. Who knows? Brian Scalabrine's five-year, $15 million deal might seem reasonable someday. (I lied: Okay, that's a stretch.)

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1/2/2008  2:32 PM
If you have Tim Duncan, you can execute a plan like this. If you're searching for an anchor to your floundering franchise, you're going to want to keep throwing high ceiling guys at a wall until one sticks.

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1/2/2008  2:41 PM
Posted by Bill Simmons:

Yes, I know, Miami looks like San Antonio South compared with the damage Isiah Thomas has inflicted on the Knicks. As a belated holiday gift to New Yorkers, I'll skip the gory details. Just know that Isiah is to [chemistry, character and flexibility] what the Saw series is to wholesome family comedy.

Wow. Sports Guy just can't help himself when it comes to busting on Zeke.

Quotable stuff regardless.
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1/2/2008  3:08 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

If you have Tim Duncan, you can execute a plan like this. If you're searching for an anchor to your floundering franchise, you're going to want to keep throwing high ceiling guys at a wall until one sticks.


yea, but that is a flawed plan, and the reason why the knicks are in this mess now.. If you don't have a duncan, then keep the plan simple and clean. Short cheap contracts, high character players, draft picks and cap flexibility, do that until you find that "duncan" for sure... Don't blow your load on a maybe, or a huge Question mark or a project(like curry).
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1/2/2008  3:20 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

If you have Tim Duncan, you can execute a plan like this. If you're searching for an anchor to your floundering franchise, you're going to want to keep throwing high ceiling guys at a wall until one sticks.


yea, but that is a flawed plan, and the reason why the knicks are in this mess now.. If you don't have a duncan, then keep the plan simple and clean. Short cheap contracts, high character players, draft picks and cap flexibility, do that until you find that "duncan" for sure... Don't blow your load on a maybe, or a huge Question mark or a project(like curry).

Well said.
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1/2/2008  3:29 PM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

If you have Tim Duncan, you can execute a plan like this. If you're searching for an anchor to your floundering franchise, you're going to want to keep throwing high ceiling guys at a wall until one sticks.


yea, but that is a flawed plan, and the reason why the knicks are in this mess now.. If you don't have a duncan, then keep the plan simple and clean. Short cheap contracts, high character players, draft picks and cap flexibility, do that until you find that "duncan" for sure... Don't blow your load on a maybe, or a huge Question mark or a project(like curry).

Well said.

Indeed. What tkf said is essentially what the Blazers did and how they got Brandon Roy... someone who will be an absolute force if he stays healthy.

There's no way they should be as good as they are without Greg Oden, but they are. They have no bad contracts except for the bad apple known as Miles and have a bunch of solid players via the draft. Like the article pointed out, Jason Kapono credited the Raptors chemistry for the win. These three factors created an environment where the sum of the parts is greater than the whole. Despite all that, there really is one way for the Blazers to go, and that is up in the standings.
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1/2/2008  4:03 PM
Which is why David Lee is more valueable around the league then Randolph. Despite lesser stats.
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1/2/2008  4:23 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Which is why David Lee is more valueable around the league then Randolph. Despite lesser stats.


Dude you just said David Lee can heal the sick and the lame, cause man to form from the ground, walk on water, tell a wind storm to Shut Up, turn water into wine, rebuke an evil force, read hearts, separate a sheep from an escapegoat, realm is from above and not below, son of man, has disciples, a lamb that may get sacrificed in a trade, and can cause a resurrection.
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1/2/2008  4:29 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Which is why David Lee is more valueable around the league then Randolph. Despite lesser stats.


Dude you just said David Lee can heal the sick and the lame, cause man to form from the ground, walk on water, tell a wind storm to Shut Up, turn water into wine, rebuke an evil force, read hearts, separate a sheep from an escapegoat, realm is from above and not below, son of man, has disciples, a lamb that may get sacrificed in a trade, and can cause a resurrection.

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1/2/2008  4:36 PM
Posted by tkf:

[quote]Posted by JohnWallace44:

[quote]If you have Tim Duncan, you can execute a plan like this. If you're searching for an anchor to your floundering franchise, you're going to want to keep throwing high ceiling guys at a wall until one sticks.


It certainly is a flawed plan. How long did it take Portland to stop aquiring players just like the Knicks have been? Its not like they've been geniuses from day one.

We're dumb, no doubt about it, but just your average dumb. The Knicks can't do anything really well.

From a franchise that rehabbed so many flawed personalities in the '90's they probably thought they could do it with anyone.

yea, but that is a flawed plan, and the reason why the knicks are in this mess now.. If you don't have a duncan, then keep the plan simple and clean. Short cheap contracts, high character players, draft picks and cap flexibility, do that until you find that "duncan" for sure... Don't blow your load on a maybe, or a huge Question mark or a project(like curry).




[Edited by - johnwallace44 on 01-02-2008 4:38 PM]

[Edited by - johnwallace44 on 01-02-2008 4:39 PM]
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Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by Panos:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

If you have Tim Duncan, you can execute a plan like this. If you're searching for an anchor to your floundering franchise, you're going to want to keep throwing high ceiling guys at a wall until one sticks.


yea, but that is a flawed plan, and the reason why the knicks are in this mess now.. If you don't have a duncan, then keep the plan simple and clean. Short cheap contracts, high character players, draft picks and cap flexibility, do that until you find that "duncan" for sure... Don't blow your load on a maybe, or a huge Question mark or a project(like curry).

Well said.

Indeed. What tkf said is essentially what the Blazers did and how they got Brandon Roy... someone who will be an absolute force if he stays healthy.

There's no way they should be as good as they are without Greg Oden, but they are. They have no bad contracts except for the bad apple known as Miles and have a bunch of solid players via the draft. Like the article pointed out, Jason Kapono credited the Raptors chemistry for the win. These three factors created an environment where the sum of the parts is greater than the whole. Despite all that, there really is one way for the Blazers to go, and that is up in the standings.

I don't know if you remember a couple of seasons ago, we played the blazers and beat them, I did my now famous "keys" to the game.. LOL.. and I basically trashed both zach and miles and I said, the blazers will never get better until they get rid of both players. Do you remember how those silly blazers fans came over there crying, and whining, saying, how can I bash their team and Z-bo that way? LOL.. Now those same fans are telling me how great they are, now that zach(traded) and miles(exiled) are now gone...

the only thing I never saw comming, was them dumping zach on us... wow!!!!!!!!!!!!
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1/2/2008  4:56 PM
When you watch the games, Z-Bo doesn't stand out as a terrible player to me. Yeah he holds the ball, but he makes the shots. He rebounds with some ferocity. He's a bad help defender, that shows.

I'd like to see some tape of him playing with Aldridge. I'm not ready to give up on the guy yet.
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1/2/2008  5:05 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by Panos:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

If you have Tim Duncan, you can execute a plan like this. If you're searching for an anchor to your floundering franchise, you're going to want to keep throwing high ceiling guys at a wall until one sticks.


yea, but that is a flawed plan, and the reason why the knicks are in this mess now.. If you don't have a duncan, then keep the plan simple and clean. Short cheap contracts, high character players, draft picks and cap flexibility, do that until you find that "duncan" for sure... Don't blow your load on a maybe, or a huge Question mark or a project(like curry).

Well said.

Indeed. What tkf said is essentially what the Blazers did and how they got Brandon Roy... someone who will be an absolute force if he stays healthy.

There's no way they should be as good as they are without Greg Oden, but they are. They have no bad contracts except for the bad apple known as Miles and have a bunch of solid players via the draft. Like the article pointed out, Jason Kapono credited the Raptors chemistry for the win. These three factors created an environment where the sum of the parts is greater than the whole. Despite all that, there really is one way for the Blazers to go, and that is up in the standings.

I don't know if you remember a couple of seasons ago, we played the blazers and beat them, I did my now famous "keys" to the game.. LOL.. and I basically trashed both zach and miles and I said, the blazers will never get better until they get rid of both players. Do you remember how those silly blazers fans came over there crying, and whining, saying, how can I bash their team and Z-bo that way? LOL.. Now those same fans are telling me how great they are, now that zach(traded) and miles(exiled) are now gone...

the only thing I never saw comming, was them dumping zach on us... wow!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sure, I remember that... coupled with Blazers fans saying there was no way ZBo would ever get traded to the Knicks (because we didn't have the pieces), then later trying to justify the move from a talent perspective (like Frye now was an elite prospect), to now claiming that they knew trading ZBo was addition by subtraction clearly, that was what the other two points inferred) has me thinking Blazers fans are the dumbest base in professional sports. The keys was the beginning of them demonstrating their complete ineptitude.
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1/2/2008  5:27 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:

Sure, I remember that... coupled with Blazers fans saying there was no way ZBo would ever get traded to the Knicks (because we didn't have the pieces), then later trying to justify the move from a talent perspective (like Frye now was an elite prospect), to now claiming that they knew trading ZBo was addition by subtraction clearly, that was what the other two points inferred) has me thinking Blazers fans are the dumbest base in professional sports. The keys was the beginning of them demonstrating their complete ineptitude.

Not at all, why would they admit it would be addition by subtraction before they traded him?
That would kill whatever trade value he had!
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1/2/2008  5:38 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Which is why David Lee is more valueable around the league then Randolph. Despite lesser stats.


Dude you just said David Lee can heal the sick and the lame, cause man to form from the ground, walk on water, tell a wind storm to Shut Up, turn water into wine, rebuke an evil force, read hearts, separate a sheep from an escapegoat, realm is from above and not below, son of man, has disciples, a lamb that may get sacrificed in a trade, and can cause a resurrection.

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Awwww Supreme how could I be? I'm one of those ones who supposedly believes Lee is Messiah like according to Holfresh or at the very least possess all those redeeming qualities/characteristics. I'd be considered a disciple or a follower of one who displays Love and Compassion for lowliest of ones.
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1/2/2008  6:25 PM
The thing is that Portland is LUCKY and SMART. You can't ignore that factor. The Spurs were 1st LUCKY and then SMART. When you look at these teams you can't just replicate what they've done simply by going after high Character guys. Then you have the BULLS! You still need that big piece or 2 to make it all work.

NY is a strange beast, cuz we have an owner who refuses to do what Portland and SA did. Lose big and clear out the trash. Until you take that approach, you're never in the game. Then as I said you have to get real Lucky. Boston didn't get lucky, they just soldout and got help from an old friend.

While I agree that the premise for team building is a good one. In practice it's hard to imitate. Every few years you get a big draft then a few little ones. We would have to quit on this year now to have any shot at a top 5 pick and I get the feeling that this team will win just enough to erase any chance of an impact pick, which we need to have in order to have any change in the teams fortunes.
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1/2/2008  6:47 PM
I see, we've been bad for all these years because we are unlucky. That explains everything.
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1/2/2008  7:02 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Which is why David Lee is more valueable around the league then Randolph. Despite lesser stats.


Dude you just said David Lee can heal the sick and the lame, cause man to form from the ground, walk on water, tell a wind storm to Shut Up, turn water into wine, rebuke an evil force, read hearts, separate a sheep from an escapegoat, realm is from above and not below, son of man, has disciples, a lamb that may get sacrificed in a trade, and can cause a resurrection.

racist hatter


Awwww Supreme how could I be? I'm one of those ones who supposedly believes Lee is Messiah like according to Holfresh or at the very least possess all those redeeming qualities/characteristics. I'd be considered a disciple or a follower of one who displays Love and Compassion for lowliest of ones.

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