Posted by bitty41:

I would say between solid bench player and 6th man. A solid bench player on an elite team and 6th man on a average to bad team.

Posted by EnySpree:

I agree with islesfan. Lee is good but how good is he really?

I say the Knicks team had to get better overrall. Knicks can't just keep David Lee cuz he's good. They can flip him into someone equally good and still not lose his rebounding with zach here.

Where could the Knicks trade David Lee where he would flat out start in this league? Its hard to do even if you just Magically inserted him into the line-up.

Now Isles mentioned Orlando.....but with the way hedo and rashard are playing would David Lee start for them?

Posted by EnySpree:

I agree with islesfan. Lee is good but how good is he really?

I say the Knicks team had to get better overrall. Knicks can't just keep David Lee cuz he's good. They can flip him into someone equally good and still not lose his rebounding with zach here.

Where could the Knicks trade David Lee where he would flat out start in this league? Its hard to do even if you just Magically inserted him into the line-up.

Now Isles mentioned Orlando.....but with the way hedo and rashard are playing would David Lee start for them?

Posted by VDesai:

I think he's a starter on virtually every team in the NBA, because on 95% of teams he'd be their best rebounder. He is extremely athletic, can run the floor and pass the ball. I also think with the right up tempo PG like Jason Kidd or Steven Nash where he could be mostly a finisher he could be a borderline all-star level player on numbers, but not necessarily a player billed as a star.

Posted by EnySpree:

Posted by joec32033:



New Jersey, Philly, Toronto(Bosh at C), Houston, Memphis(Gasol at C), possibly Chicago, Detroit(Wallace at center), Indy, Milwaukee(Bogut at C, Yi at SF), Denver, Seattle, Atlanta, Golden State, the Lakers, possibly PHX(between Marion at SF and Amare at C), Sacramento.

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[Edited by - joec32033 on 01 January 2008 14:02]

Nets? Yeah he could play there and start but who are the nets trading ny? Draft pick? Nachbar? Why they won't? They have Boone, and sean williams.

Philly? Yeah but they have "Kamans ball boy" already playing the 4. Would a team just as bad and rebuilding trade a pick for Lee? Is a dude like carney enough? What about Louis williams? Would philly move them for lee? Would the Knicks?

Toronto? Kris Humphries......he's basically david lee with a tan. Toronto has some nice movable players. Anybody interested in any of them for lee?

Houston? Scola, and hayes....ok forget them......who would the Knicks take back in that trade? Luther head? Knicks don't really have much to take on that houston can use.

Detroit already has a better david lee and his name is mcdyess. Then there is maxiel.

Indy has that ike dude that's a beast waiting his turn. Then there is troy, oneal, foster, harrison......who would the Knicks what from them? Shawne Williams or granger? Hell yeah but again Indiana has david lees position covered.

The Bucks stickout but those bastards won't even play charlie V and yi together. Yi could slide to the three but who are the Knicks getting back again? A draft pick? Maybe. Anybody want charlie v?

Denver? For who? They have nothing but a draft pick....and we hate them. Chicago too.

Seattle? They have wilcox and collison. Unless they wanna move them to get Lee.....I always liked wilcox. His problem is consistancy. I also like wally, and delonte. Knicks should shout them a holla. Who Knows maybe they throw Green in to the picture.
Atlanta definatly could use Lee but oh yeah they have Hortford, shelden, Josh Smith.....would they move josh?

Laker have nothing for the Knicks unless they wanna help the Knicks salary dump.

Golden state? Does anybody wanna over pay for al harrington? Sounds like an Isiah move though.

Sactown is gonna make changes and the Knicks should shout them a holla for any of their players.

Pheonix would work but sliding Marion would mean benching grant hill. So who do the Knicks get back? Boris "afraid to shoot" diaw? "Old paint brush beard man" is better suited for Lees role anyway.

I just had some fun with that....not trying to be a dick.

I basically narrowed it down to seattle, Sactown, and Memphis.....with an al harrington red flag.....anybody else would require the other team to make too many changes or the Knicks just wouldn't get anything back worth the trade.

Fin, lol.

I listed teams I feel he could start for. There was no mention of future draft picks or cost to trade for him. The teams I listed, I feel he can start for. I am doing a straight comparison for who he can start for, not taking into consideration who they would have to give up because that wasn't part of the original question.

NJ-He can start for them right now.

Philly-He'd beat out Evans on the fact that he does everything better than Evans except for rebounding and even that is a push.

Toronto- Lee wih a Tan? Humphries- 7pt, 5reb, 66% FT shooter, 49% from the field. Lee 10 pts, 7.9 rebs, 79% FT, 53% FG.

Houston-You agree with me on my premise. He could start for them. Never intended to imagine a trade. The premise was teams Lee could start for.

Detroit-Maxiell 10pts, 5 rebs, 1.4 blks. At 6-7 probably makes a better SF than PF. McDyess performed as well off the bench and may not be as rested fir the playoffs once they start. Lee is 9 years younger.

Indy-Granger's a SF.

Bucks-You agree with me. Never took trade value into consideration.

Denver-You agree with me.

....Alot of these you agree with me, but are hung up on how they will get him. That was never my concern, just if he start if he was on the team.

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by EnySpree:

Posted by joec32033:



New Jersey, Philly, Toronto(Bosh at C), Houston, Memphis(Gasol at C), possibly Chicago, Detroit(Wallace at center), Indy, Milwaukee(Bogut at C, Yi at SF), Denver, Seattle, Atlanta, Golden State, the Lakers, possibly PHX(between Marion at SF and Amare at C), Sacramento.

[Edited by - joec32033 on 01 January 2008 14:01]

[Edited by - joec32033 on 01 January 2008 14:02]

Nets? Yeah he could play there and start but who are the nets trading ny? Draft pick? Nachbar? Why they won't? They have Boone, and sean williams.

Philly? Yeah but they have "Kamans ball boy" already playing the 4. Would a team just as bad and rebuilding trade a pick for Lee? Is a dude like carney enough? What about Louis williams? Would philly move them for lee? Would the Knicks?

Toronto? Kris Humphries......he's basically david lee with a tan. Toronto has some nice movable players. Anybody interested in any of them for lee?

Houston? Scola, and hayes....ok forget them......who would the Knicks take back in that trade? Luther head? Knicks don't really have much to take on that houston can use.

Detroit already has a better david lee and his name is mcdyess. Then there is maxiel.

Indy has that ike dude that's a beast waiting his turn. Then there is troy, oneal, foster, harrison......who would the Knicks what from them? Shawne Williams or granger? Hell yeah but again Indiana has david lees position covered.

The Bucks stickout but those bastards won't even play charlie V and yi together. Yi could slide to the three but who are the Knicks getting back again? A draft pick? Maybe. Anybody want charlie v?

Denver? For who? They have nothing but a draft pick....and we hate them. Chicago too.

Seattle? They have wilcox and collison. Unless they wanna move them to get Lee.....I always liked wilcox. His problem is consistancy. I also like wally, and delonte. Knicks should shout them a holla. Who Knows maybe they throw Green in to the picture.
Atlanta definatly could use Lee but oh yeah they have Hortford, shelden, Josh Smith.....would they move josh?

Laker have nothing for the Knicks unless they wanna help the Knicks salary dump.

Golden state? Does anybody wanna over pay for al harrington? Sounds like an Isiah move though.

Sactown is gonna make changes and the Knicks should shout them a holla for any of their players.

Pheonix would work but sliding Marion would mean benching grant hill. So who do the Knicks get back? Boris "afraid to shoot" diaw? "Old paint brush beard man" is better suited for Lees role anyway.

I just had some fun with that....not trying to be a dick.

I basically narrowed it down to seattle, Sactown, and Memphis.....with an al harrington red flag.....anybody else would require the other team to make too many changes or the Knicks just wouldn't get anything back worth the trade.

Fin, lol.

I listed teams I feel he could start for. There was no mention of future draft picks or cost to trade for him. The teams I listed, I feel he can start for. I am doing a straight comparison for who he can start for, not taking into consideration who they would have to give up because that wasn't part of the original question.

NJ-He can start for them right now.

Philly-He'd beat out Evans on the fact that he does everything better than Evans except for rebounding and even that is a push.

Toronto- Lee wih a Tan? Humphries- 7pt, 5reb, 66% FT shooter, 49% from the field. Lee 10 pts, 7.9 rebs, 79% FT, 53% FG.

Houston-You agree with me on my premise. He could start for them. Never intended to imagine a trade. The premise was teams Lee could start for.

Detroit-Maxiell 10pts, 5 rebs, 1.4 blks. At 6-7 probably makes a better SF than PF. McDyess performed as well off the bench and may not be as rested fir the playoffs once they start. Lee is 9 years younger.

Indy-Granger's a SF.

Bucks-You agree with me. Never took trade value into consideration.

Denver-You agree with me.

....Alot of these you agree with me, but are hung up on how they will get him. That was never my concern, just if he start if he was on the team.

It's all true but its all numbers.
What makes clubs winners in NBA?
Team work, mutual understanding between coach and players, abilities to think the game and execute the plan and plays.
Lee can work in this framework of things... if it is there.
Knicks are chaos and Lee is out of the place.
Most of the teams mentioned above are on the way to some kind of harmony and so Lee will be The man for any of them.
Isiah's main point is - talent, athletism, personal skills of players are everything and he put all on the line to prove it. He is still trying but... the sun is rising from the East regardless of anybody opinion.