Kyle Lowry is probably available. The franchise went and drafted this guy when they could have went another direction....especially with Lowry on the roster.

Now I didn't think Lowry's game would translate to the pro's but the dude is pretty good and fearless. A true point guard.

Nate.......freakin guy can score with the best of them but is Isiah gonna make Nate the starting point guard or what? Nate and craw should both be running the show by now........that's still an option but uh.....back to the lecture at hand......

Kyle Lowry is probably available......Memphis might be interested in making a move. They could definately use David Lee and they have a bunch of shooting guards including the equally loveable Mike miller......

Hypothetically speaking.......if the Knicks traded david lee and others and got back Mike miller and lowry.....would that ease the pain?

David Lee, Malik, and Fred Jones for Mike Miller and Kyle Lowry.......

Salary dump for Memphis with a probable starter next to gay with conley and juan carlos navaro......keeping Gasol around.

Edit:

Knicks put out zach and mike miller up front with curry hopefully on his way out.....Lowry and craw in the backcourt.

[Edited by - enyspree on 31-12-2007 09:11 AM]

I haven't seen Lowry too much, so I can't say for sure if I would do that. From what I have seen though, I'm not too crazy about him.

Conley, on the other hand, is someone I would trade any package on this team for (not including our pick). Of course, there are a lot of players I would say that about.

Posted by Klytus:

Kyle Lowry is a backup.

I'm not trading our most wanted player in David Lee, an expiring contract in Fred Jones and a expiring contract for next year in Malik Rose for a backup PG.

Have to agree. Conley is a the pure pg you go after not Lowry.

let's hold onto D Lee please.

Curry, Chandler & Fred Jones for Miller, Lowry & Swift

[Edited by - TMS on 12-31-2007 09:13 AM]

Did anybody notice that Mike Miller was in the trade?

Mike miller fills a need big time not only with his jumpshot but ball handling and rebounding. 3 spot? Locked.

As far as Conley.....as I explained, he was drafted extreamly high even though Lowry was already there. Lowry has been getting the shaft cuz he's had some big games this year when he got minutes. His minutes are sparatic. Memphis will not trade conley cuz he is the franchise. Giving lowry As far as Curry? Why start Lowry and give him the minutes he deserves over Damon if you want to give conley the job?

Gasol with Curry? Not gonna work that's already proven.

Memphis is gonna want the cap space and the Knicks have to move David Lee cuz of Zach. Mike Miller and Lowry for fred jones who plays Q's rightful role off the bench, Malik would be gone, and David Lee will have a place to play.

Not a perfect trade but the Knicks solve 2 problems in one shot. Again David Lee is the man but he gets turned into Mike Miller who actually fits a need.

Pf Zach
Sf Mike Miller
C ???
PG Lowry/Nate
Sg craw

Isiah could then focus on getting a center that makes sense. Miller can play sg too. So isiah could still use Balkman, jared, chandler @ the 3 and run mike and craw in the backcourt at times.

I personally think this is a great trade idea......but I look like a jerk saying that cuz I made it up, lol.

Jamal for Miller

Kyle Lowry is becoming a little overrated here. Like a lot of our players he can't shoot the ball. He also needs to get his A/TO up. Still I like the kid, he's fast and plays hard D.

The runor out of Memphis was Lee for the lottery pick on draft night. Just a rumor. Here is the question to ask out of the top 30 picks in the draft I would venture to say Lee stats wise has put up numbers to be in the top 8 of that class would you agree. He is the only person on your team with any trading value. Zach will be here commecting money for a long time and Curry wont garner anything. This is going to be a long road to recovery at least 3 years.

Wait a minute Mike Miller is the best player in the trade you crazy daizies!

Happy New Year to all BTW!

I like Lowry a lot but I really might want to try and get a point guard in this upcoming draft somehow. Either at the top with a guy like Derrick Rose or a little lower with a guy like Darren Collison or DJ Augustin. Not against dealing Lee though. Along with firing Isiah, who absolutely must go, how's this:

David Lee & Marty Collins to the Hornets for Hilton Armstrong and their 1st rounder in this next draft (right now slated to go in the 25-30 range).

Why the Hornets might do it - Hilton just doesn't get the burn he needs to be effective with N.O. for some reason. I don't know if it's just the fact that Byron Scott doesn't like the dude or the fact that West and Chandler each log big minutes at the 4 and 5 on a nightly basis or what (prob. a combo. of both), but he just doesn't play nearly enough to be effective. I thought trading Cedric Simmons away (a Scott favorite) would open up more minutes for him, but not the case. He played only 6 mins. the other night against the Cavs at home and was a complete non-factor. There's been a few of those this season and, unfortuately for Armstrong, probably many more to come. They'd love Lee, he's a double/double every night, still young and might be the steady big man contributor for the rotation that Scott's probably looking for. Plus, Collins would be a real nice pickup - a defensive backup for Chris Paul - a big, heady guard who might never be a star but can eventually be a serviceable backup at both guard positions and has good overall instincts & potential (remember he played well down the stretch for us last year when guys went down and believe me people around the league took notice). Could turn out to be a real defensive stopper, a-la Bruce Bowen, minus the 3-pt shooting. That's valuable. Even right now, buried on the bench with the Knicks, he'd make a better backup that Jannero Pargo in MHOP. Pargo's another guy Scott doesn't seem to trust with a lot of mins. He's nothing special anyway, a Howard Eisley ultra-light-type. And as far as surrendering the draft pick, the Hornets are 20-10 right now, a game out of first place. You gotta believe they think they're a team that's really on the verge of making some noise, possibly de-throning the Spurs as the annual Southwest champ. I know that's what I'd be thinking if I were a member of the Hornets' front office. Lee and Collins (esp. Lee) would help them immensely in trying to accomplishing that goal and I'd like to believe they'd think that packaging that low 1st rounder in this deal would be a small price to pay.

Why we should do it - We grab Armstrong and jack his minutes up to at least 25 minutes a night. Even more if Curry continues to flounder. It might not result in wins right off the bat, but it's the right move moving forward in finally starting to strighten out this poorly constructed roster - well the frontcourt anyway. Curry, Randolph and Lee just doesn't work for me. The proof is in the pudding guys. I mean does it look like it's working? At a legit 6'11" he can play both 4/5 with no problem and w/o giving up any size (while Lee's small for both spots, esp. the center position), has the defensive potential and shotblocking element Lee (or any of our bigs for that matter) doesn't and will never provide and when it's all said and done he'll be a better offensive player than Lee. Good, quick moves around the basket and a sweet fluid jumpshot out to 20+ feet. With the proper playing time, he WILL BE the player guys like Charles Smith and Channing Frye were supposed to be - the player Sean Williams is becoming with the Nets. I think he's that good and that well-rounded. It might look like Lee's the better pro right now but if Armstrong gets the PT he needs to be successful, the numbers will be definitely be there. Rebounds, blocks and if they need him to score, points too. You can't expect the guy to have any kind of an impact with 6 mins. of PT. And you take that pick and couple it with our own 1st rounder and start to rebuild this thing through the draft. Say we tank and get lucky enough to crack the top 5 in the draft - there's suddenly a lot of different ways we can go and God knows we need so many holes to be filled it isn't funny. PG, SF, SG, C - basically everything except PF - I think we can win with Zach at the 4 moving forward. 25 years old, 20/10 basically every night, wants the ball, huge contract and not going anywhere anyway. You pencil Zach in as your PF and you leave him alone. He's not the problem. Enough said about Zach being a cancer. In this draft coming up in the summer, any one of these projected top 5 guys can be a star and a guy to build around. Hey, at least a better option to build a team around than Eddy Curry! Beasley (SF), Rose (PG), Jordan (C), Gordon (SG) are all going to be stars and are such better players than the guys we have at those positions now, it's not even close. I think guys like Budinger, Mayo and Hibbert have great potential also, and again, would be vast improvements over any of our current players at those positions. WE ABSOLUTELY NEED TO LAND ONE OF THOSE TOP FOUR then we could use that lower pick from the Hornets for a guy like Darren Collison or DJ Augustin (Agustin in particular might slip because of the lack of size), or a guy like Brandon Rush, who's got size at 6'6" and would be an instant upgrade over Q. Richardson. Or, now that Utah just acquired a lights-out shooter in Kyle Korver, maybe we flip that lower pick to Utah in exchange for Morris Almond - the guy I wanted in the last draft all along. And I also try and unload Curry on a team for future draft picks. I'd trade Curry for almost anything at this point as long as I'm not taking back longterm contracts and as long as I can get at least couple of future 1st round picks in the process - that's about the best the Knicks can hope to do. You do that and you move on. Turn the page on Curry already, for Christ's sake. No matter what, we need to cut payroll and do whatever it takes to acquire picks in these drafts to improve the club. Who knows, that's my take on this mess. Any thoughts?