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12/26/2007  3:09 AM
I think that would be a perfect situation for him. His low post game would fit very well into their offense. Of course Bynum is developing somewhat of a low post game, but that is not going to that strong for a least a few more years.

They have Kobe, Fisher, Odom to hit shots from outside to take advantage of the double teams Zach can draw. The lakers defense is pretty strong and can more than make up for his defensive deficiencies. Most importantly, I think they have the leadership in Bryant and fisher to get it through to him that he needs to pass more out of the post in order for his team to win.

I think a lineup of
Bynum
Zbo
Odom
Bryant
Fisher

With Farmar, Ariza, Vujecic, Walton, Radmonivic, etc, is a very potent lineup and could go very far in the playoffs.

I am just not sure what they can give back to us for Randolph. WE would want their number #1 pick this year for sure, and we would probably want Kwame's expiring. After that, I think I would want another number one pick from them at some point.

We got Randolph on the cheap, and I think he would have been a great pickup for a team that was close, which I believe the lakers are now. I think in a situation with strong leadership he would not only stay in line but he would thrive.

Does anyone know what else the lakers could give up to make that deal equitable?

[Edited by - Cash on 12-26-2007 04:10 AM]
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12/26/2007  4:58 AM
Dude, if all we got back for Zach is Kwame Brown and the Lakers #1, consider ourselves lucky. Heck, I'd dump Zach for Kwame without the #1. I'll even throw in Balkman to get the deal done. Just get him out of here ASAP. Can't believe you said we got him cheap. I'd rather have a bought out Stevie Frankenstein and Frye off the bench, than Zach adding his toxic selfish ways to MSG. Can't see how the Lakers would want this clown. Kobe kept mentioning during his post game interview today that their getting better playing as a team. And you want to throw Zach into that mix? Yeah, good luck with making that work.
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12/26/2007  5:35 AM
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Dude, if all we got back for Zach is Kwame Brown and the Lakers #1, consider ourselves lucky. Heck, I'd dump Zach for Kwame without the #1. I'll even throw in Balkman to get the deal done. Just get him out of here ASAP. Can't believe you said we got him cheap. I'd rather have a bought out Stevie Frankenstein and Frye off the bench, than Zach adding his toxic selfish ways to MSG. Can't see how the Lakers would want this clown. Kobe kept mentioning during his post game interview today that their getting better playing as a team. And you want to throw Zach into that mix? Yeah, good luck with making that work.

Zbo is a very strong player. I understand that people "feel" like he is a bad acquisition like marbury was a bad acquisition, like jamal was a bad acquisition, like curry was a bad acquisition, however Zbo is a totally different animal.

Zbo is a dominant post scorer that can pass out of the post. He rebounds like crazy, as well. The fact that Curry can't pass out of the post and make other players better has nothing to do with zbo as a player.

This is a dynamic player that can rebound, score, and pass out of the post. To the extent he is not an all-star passing out of the post can be easily corrected by good and strong leadership that can easily be provided by Fish and Kobe.
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12/26/2007  7:23 AM
Posted by Cash:
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Dude, if all we got back for Zach is Kwame Brown and the Lakers #1, consider ourselves lucky. Heck, I'd dump Zach for Kwame without the #1. I'll even throw in Balkman to get the deal done. Just get him out of here ASAP. Can't believe you said we got him cheap. I'd rather have a bought out Stevie Frankenstein and Frye off the bench, than Zach adding his toxic selfish ways to MSG. Can't see how the Lakers would want this clown. Kobe kept mentioning during his post game interview today that their getting better playing as a team. And you want to throw Zach into that mix? Yeah, good luck with making that work.

Zbo is a very strong player. I understand that people "feel" like he is a bad acquisition like marbury was a bad acquisition, like jamal was a bad acquisition, like curry was a bad acquisition, however Zbo is a totally different animal.

Zbo is a dominant post scorer that can pass out of the post. He rebounds like crazy, as well. The fact that Curry can't pass out of the post and make other players better has nothing to do with zbo as a player.

This is a dynamic player that can rebound, score, and pass out of the post. To the extent he is not an all-star passing out of the post can be easily corrected by good and strong leadership that can easily be provided by Fish and Kobe.

I don't "feel" anything. I KNOW Zach was/is a bad acquisition just the same as Marbury was. Zach is a cancer who specializes in pissing off his teammates with his selfish ways. If he was good, he'd still be on Portland. In order to be good, you need to be a team player. Zach is not. Zach is also one of the worst defensive players in the NBA. And if he had trade value, you think Portland would have paid 30 million dollars to dump his pathetic ass? (price of the buyout on Frankenstein's contract) Nobody wanted that loser when Portland was begging teams to take him, and now you think theres teams out there who are willing to trade away an asset for a potential disaster with a contract that could be franchise suicide if it doesn't work out? You think a conservative organization like the Lakers who are at the beginning stages of building something good, would all of a sudden throw caution to the wind and take a chance on this clown? What-are-you-smoking?
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12/26/2007  7:35 AM
Zach is a stud. If i knew how to bookmark a thread i would, but i don't. An inside presence is valuable to a playoff team. Even though we don't have the leadership to make sure Zach plays the right way does not mean that an organization that has leadership doesn't know how to handle him.

And, even if Zach doesn't have value now(which he does) his value is only going to go up as his contract term gets smaller and the salary cap goes up at the same time.

This is one transaction everyone who is "smart" needs to lay off. Unless you think that Curry/lee were taking us to the promise land, in which case you need to think a lot more about that.
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12/26/2007  8:31 AM

Does ZDumb have the ability to play in a Triangle offense?

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12/26/2007  8:39 AM
One team I'm thinking could use someone like Zach is Dallas- but there is no way they could take on his mammoth deal - there just isn't.

Its sad- I had no true conception of how horrific the Zach deal was for us.

I think he is better than curry, but the money is unreal. Honestly, a real GM, as opposed to the garbage Isiah, should have demanded Oden to take Zach's deal off their hands.
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12/26/2007  8:50 AM
Posted by franco12:

One team I'm thinking could use someone like Zach is Dallas- but there is no way they could take on his mammoth deal - there just isn't.

Its sad- I had no true conception of how horrific the Zach deal was for us.

I think he is better than curry, but the money is unreal. Honestly, a real GM, as opposed to the garbage Isiah, should have demanded Oden to take Zach's deal off their hands.


O C'mon, you need oden to take Zach's deal off you hands? Really? You don't mean that and I know it.
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12/26/2007  9:06 AM
Posted by majorleads:

Dude, if all we got back for Zach is Kwame Brown and the Lakers #1, consider ourselves lucky. Heck, I'd dump Zach for Kwame without the #1. I'll even throw in Balkman to get the deal done. Just get him out of here ASAP. Can't believe you said we got him cheap. I'd rather have a bought out Stevie Frankenstein and Frye off the bench, than Zach adding his toxic selfish ways to MSG. Can't see how the Lakers would want this clown. Kobe kept mentioning during his post game interview today that their getting better playing as a team. And you want to throw Zach into that mix? Yeah, good luck with making that work.
Wow; you said *everything* I was thinking!
Basically, Zach would be a great fit on...
NO well run team
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12/26/2007  9:07 AM
Posted by Cash:
Posted by franco12:

One team I'm thinking could use someone like Zach is Dallas- but there is no way they could take on his mammoth deal - there just isn't.

Its sad- I had no true conception of how horrific the Zach deal was for us.

I think he is better than curry, but the money is unreal. Honestly, a real GM, as opposed to the garbage Isiah, should have demanded Oden to take Zach's deal off their hands.
If not Oden, then at least Roy and Aldridge. Otherwise, let them continue to suffer with Zach.


O C'mon, you need oden to take Zach's deal off you hands? Really? You don't mean that and I know it.
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12/26/2007  9:12 AM
Bonn, you are so on point with your analysis of Curry and his problems with reaction time. However, zbo is a different animal and so much more talented than curry. Zbo CAN pass out of double teams in order to make his teamates better, as well as all the other stuff like rebounding.
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12/26/2007  11:02 AM
First off let me say this... Zach Randolph on the Lakers would be nice.
That said, if I'm the Knicks I would trade Eddy Curry before I let Z-Bo go!

Here's why? Although he doesn't seem to have a high basketball IQ, and tends to be selfish at times... Zack is young, and scores at will. Also his D is not outstanding, but still considerably better than Curry's. He seems to play with fire; at least he shows emotion... I like that! Curry got dunked on by Chris Mihm! C'mon CHRIS MIHM and didn't yell for the ball on the other end... You can't be serious!

The draft is coming... we'll have our choice of two decent young players: The Center De'Andre Jordan, a legit 7ft kid from Texas A&M; blocks shots, grabs boards and dunks hard... pair him with Zack and we have a solid front court. Derrick Rose, everybody knows he is an official point guard and could look good in a knick uniform (Those are my two hopefuls). I might sound silly for saying this but Michael Beasley would not be a better fit for NY, another power forward, scores in bunches but plays soft defense. (IMO) He is the same player as Zack Randolph. Just as mean, and tends to be a blackhole on O as well.

As far as trades, I'd still go hard after Ron Artest right now! Offer anybody but Zach or Wilson Chandler. (Yeah, even David Lee can be used as trade bait, obviously you try to keep him in the Garden but he should not be the sticking point in a deal here) That's the only trade that I hear rumored that we should make. Other names mentioned seem to be lateral moves. Unless we can somehow get a superstar. (Don't hold your breath fans)

We gotta wait! Be patient in NY... That's the problem with this organization, they feel like you can't rebuild. OR push hard for the NBA to kill the salary cap... think about this we are the wealthiest NBA franchise in the league and our team is abysmal because we cannot acquire outstanding heady/talent due to "league financial restrictions"??? That is so absurd! You think players, wouldn't want to play in NY? They would love to! Endorsements would be at an all time high in this town.

Bottom line is, big market teams should be allowed to spend more! Especially NY, basketball Mecca of the world! Forget about setting an even playing ground for other league markets. No one cares about any other teams outside of NY, LA, Chicago and maybe Bean town. These teams should be perennial contenders and if the salary cap is prohibiting there success... maybe it should be done away with because it is ultimately killing the NBA's marketability. Cases in point, the Spurs are obviously the best team in basketball over the last decade. But they get no props, it’s like they win the chip and then the summer starts people forget about them? WHY? Again fans around the world just do not care about small market teams.

I apologize for going off on a tangent here; I know it's not exactly the subject of your post! But, it is what it is!!!


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12/26/2007  11:17 AM
Posted by majorleads:

Dude, if all we got back for Zach is Kwame Brown and the Lakers #1, consider ourselves lucky. Heck, I'd dump Zach for Kwame without the #1. I'll even throw in Balkman to get the deal done. Just get him out of here ASAP. Can't believe you said we got him cheap. I'd rather have a bought out Stevie Frankenstein and Frye off the bench, than Zach adding his toxic selfish ways to MSG. Can't see how the Lakers would want this clown. Kobe kept mentioning during his post game interview today that their getting better playing as a team. And you want to throw Zach into that mix? Yeah, good luck with making that work.

AMEN.

Do the same with Fatty McCurry and Jamawful Crawful. Buy out Malik and Marbury.

Summer of 2009? All we'd got on the books is Q, Jeffries, James - maybe a small 2010 expiring or two from liquidating Zach/Curry/Crawful. We'd have our kids.

A competent GM could then BEGIN building a new up and coming team during the summer of 09. Maybe by 2010-2011 season we'd have the start of something fun to watch.


But NOOOOOOOOO there are still fans who like Isiah's direction, don't want him fired, still think a team chock full of career loser veterans are going to improve somehow, and we're only one magical trade away from being an elite team. *throws up*

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12/26/2007  12:10 PM
Posted by JaydeeNYC:

First off let me say this... Zach Randolph on the Lakers would be nice.
That said, if I'm the Knicks I would trade Eddy Curry before I let Z-Bo go!

Here's why? Although he doesn't seem to have a high basketball IQ, and tends to be selfish at times... Zack is young, and scores at will. Also his D is not outstanding, but still considerably better than Curry's. He seems to play with fire; at least he shows emotion... I like that! Curry got dunked on by Chris Mihm! C'mon CHRIS MIHM and didn't yell for the ball on the other end... You can't be serious!

The draft is coming... we'll have our choice of two decent young players: The Center De'Andre Jordan, a legit 7ft kid from Texas A&M; blocks shots, grabs boards and dunks hard... pair him with Zack and we have a solid front court. Derrick Rose, everybody knows he is an official point guard and could look good in a knick uniform (Those are my two hopefuls). I might sound silly for saying this but Michael Beasley would not be a better fit for NY, another power forward, scores in bunches but plays soft defense. (IMO) He is the same player as Zack Randolph. Just as mean, and tends to be a blackhole on O as well.

As far as trades, I'd still go hard after Ron Artest right now! Offer anybody but Zach or Wilson Chandler. (Yeah, even David Lee can be used as trade bait, obviously you try to keep him in the Garden but he should not be the sticking point in a deal here) That's the only trade that I hear rumored that we should make. Other names mentioned seem to be lateral moves. Unless we can somehow get a superstar. (Don't hold your breath fans)

We gotta wait! Be patient in NY... That's the problem with this organization, they feel like you can't rebuild. OR push hard for the NBA to kill the salary cap... think about this we are the wealthiest NBA franchise in the league and our team is abysmal because we cannot acquire outstanding heady/talent due to "league financial restrictions"??? That is so absurd! You think players, wouldn't want to play in NY? They would love to! Endorsements would be at an all time high in this town.

Bottom line is, big market teams should be allowed to spend more! Especially NY, basketball Mecca of the world! Forget about setting an even playing ground for other league markets. No one cares about any other teams outside of NY, LA, Chicago and maybe Bean town. These teams should be perennial contenders and if the salary cap is prohibiting there success... maybe it should be done away with because it is ultimately killing the NBA's marketability. Cases in point, the Spurs are obviously the best team in basketball over the last decade. But they get no props, it’s like they win the chip and then the summer starts people forget about them? WHY? Again fans around the world just do not care about small market teams.

I apologize for going off on a tangent here; I know it's not exactly the subject of your post! But, it is what it is!!!


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[Edited by - JaydeeNYC on 12-26-2007 11:31 AM]

I am literally afraid of Artest with Marbury still here, and also him with Zach here. I think Zach is very impressionable. He gets way from that "posse" in a small market like Portland where the media was reporting on him constantly and all of a sudden we hear absolutely NOTHING about him in the media capitol of the world.

I'd love to see a frontcourt of Zach and Lee. I'd also LOVE to see Craw at the point full time(I still compare him very much to Chauncy Billiups at this stage in Billiups career 10 years ago-both had/have the same rep).

Get a guard who can shoot from mid to long range(a la Raja Bell)and a versatile SF who can pass/defend/rebound (Shane Battier, Kirilenko, Marion is the standard). That's my vision.
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12/26/2007  12:55 PM
adding zach impedes the growth of bynum.
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12/26/2007  1:55 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

adding zach impedes the growth of bynum.

I guess people don't actually watch these teams that they propose trades with, thinking others must somehow need our garbage.
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12/26/2007  1:58 PM
i think if the lakers could package up farmar, kwame's expiring, and maybe one other player (like turiaf), they may be able to get a player good enough to get them to the finals this year.
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12/26/2007  2:26 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

adding zach impedes the growth of bynum.

Exactly. He creates this negative aura around him that infects everyone on the team, especially the big men who have to share the paint with him. I'm sure Zach being around has created an uneasiness with Lee and Curry. Now normally this would be a good thing, you know cause Zach around means automatic high lottery choice but, the problem is, there aren't any other Isiah's around who will take this stiff off our hands. So basically we're stuck next season with Zach infecting our rookie unless Dolan buys him out.
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12/26/2007  4:28 PM
It boggles my mind how Zach gets ****ted on more than Eddy Curry. Matter of fact from this point on his name is Eddy P ussy. Because that is exactly what he brings to the hard wood, being a lil bitch. Zach is better offense player and better defender than Eddy Pussy.
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12/26/2007  4:34 PM
we're a crappy team w/either of them, but we're an even crappier team now after we added Zach than last year when we were featuring Curry... add to that fact that we now have yet another huge, unmoveable contract on the books & maybe you'll realize why Zach gets ragged on so much around here.
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