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12/25/2007  6:16 AM
Isiah Thomas' vision of Eddy Curry and Zach Randolph terrorizing opposing front lines hasn't worked out as planned and Thomas, who has vowed to make lineup changes, appears ready to split up the center and power forward."I think me and Zach are both good enough players to go out there and try to figure out how to make this thing work," Curry said. "Maybe on a temporary basis (not starting one of us) might work. We have to eventually figure out a way to co-exist."
Both Curry and Randolph were benched for the final 20 minutes on Sunday and each played just 21 minutes. Randolph, however, was productive with his playing time. He had 11 points and 10 rebounds in the first half, but his inability to defend forced Thomas to make a move with the Knicks trailing by 25 early in the third quarter.

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12/25/2007  7:58 AM
Curry is averaging 11 PPG and 4.5 RPG this month! Where are all the people who defended him last off-seasons?
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12/25/2007  9:26 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Curry is averaging 11 PPG and 4.5 RPG this month! Where are all the people who defended him last off-seasons?

he's been playing like crap... what the hell do u expect people to say?
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12/25/2007  9:42 AM
"Eddy or Zack to the bench" = "Isiah f..ckd up big time"
This kind of players are usually not going to the bench.
They are going to the toilet together with GM who trade for them.



[Edited by - arkrud on 12-25-2007 09:43 AM]
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Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Curry is averaging 11 PPG and 4.5 RPG this month! Where are all the people who defended him last off-seasons?

he's been playing like crap... what the hell do u expect people to say?
They must not believe in Curry so deeply if they're abandoning him after one third of one season. These are the same people who lashed out against anyone who thought the Curry trade was bad. I'll give Briggs a lot of credit for consistency in his beliefs about Curry (even though I think Briggs is wrong). About half the board thought posters like me, Isles, and Trueblue were just negative, impatient Curry bashers.


[Edited by - bonn1997 on 12-25-2007 10:36 AM]
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Benching Curry will ensure we can't trade him because he will sink even further into mediocrity.

This isn't a call for Curry to start this is a call to please tear down the team.

Zach is certainly a tradeable player and if we were to do it now we could get out from under the majority of his contract in the form of 09 expiring.

Then what you do is go back to last year's plan and you force feed Eddy and stroke his ego as much as you can. Once you get him back to that 19/7 player? Then you start shopping him and I bet you could trade him.

I'd go on but you know the rest of my opinion and I'll stop with just Eddy Curry of which is the topic at hand.

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Posted by Cosmic:

Benching Curry will ensure we can't trade him because he will sink even further into mediocrity.

This isn't a call for Curry to start this is a call to please tear down the team.

Zach is certainly a tradeable player and if we were to do it now we could get out from under the majority of his contract in the form of 09 expiring.

Then what you do is go back to last year's plan and you force feed Eddy and stroke his ego as much as you can. Once you get him back to that 19/7 player? Then you start shopping him and I bet you could trade him.

I'd go on but you know the rest of my opinion and I'll stop with just Eddy Curry of which is the topic at hand.

Remember Isiah wanted to bench Eddy awhile ago. Isiah had plans on benching Curry with Marbury for the Suns game. It was just that Marbury was the only one that flipped out. I think teams no already what Curry brings to the table. Zach on the other is what Isiah probably wants to keep.

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12/25/2007  1:54 PM
Isiah knows that Curry has never been and may never be an effort player. He's effective when you structure your offense to create space for him to take his man on with minimal help. Zach is an effort guy on offense and on the Boards. He can get shots even when he's not the primary in a set. Knowing that Isiah is the one who has failed to structure an offense that would make better use of having a guy like Curry and a guy like Zach on the floor at the same time.

You then have to factor in the guards that we have and what their strengths are. We have guards who can beat their man even without help, so why not use picks and screens to force defenses to react and then play off of what they do. They will have to commit to stopping either the penetrator or the man who sets the pick. If they stay with the Big, then our guard has an open lane or shot. If they step over to stop the penetration, then our big has a lane to roll or a open shot. In any event even just this simple approach would be a better option than what we see from our offense.

Isiah's lack of ability to figure out how to use what he has is what is killing this team. He built an offensive team and then wants to talk about D. Sure we need better D, but that's not the kind of team he's built. In order to win we needed a balance of more offense and just enough D. Now he wants to try and shut teams down and to do that he's going to have to sit his biggest acquisitions?

He should've sat Q a long time ago. He could've sat either Zach or Curry a long time ago. No matter what he does, he's gonna have to figure out a system that makes use of Zach and Curry at some point. To try and run from it now is stupid. He commmitted to those 2 and he is the one that failed to give them a proper plan for making it work together. On occasion they've both had big games together so it's not impossible. It's Isiah's stand around offense that is more of the problem. The so called "quick" offense he's abandoned should've been able to increase the number of possessions in a game and neither Curry or Zach would be starving for touches. He hasn't committed to using sets which involved much more early motion as his offense called for. Whenever we did have more motion and passing the offense thrived.
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12/25/2007  2:20 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Curry is averaging 11 PPG and 4.5 RPG this month! Where are all the people who defended him last off-seasons?

he's been playing like crap... what the hell do u expect people to say?
They must not believe in Curry so deeply if they're abandoning him after one third of one season. These are the same people who lashed out against anyone who thought the Curry trade was bad. I'll give Briggs a lot of credit for consistency in his beliefs about Curry (even though I think Briggs is wrong). About half the board thought posters like me, Isles, and Trueblue were just negative, impatient Curry bashers.


[Edited by - bonn1997 on 12-25-2007 10:36 AM]



His fans were throwing fits of rage last yr towards anyone who spoke against Curry. Now the 2 unprotected lottery picks and 2 2nd round draft picked swapped player is going to the bench.
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Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Curry is averaging 11 PPG and 4.5 RPG this month! Where are all the people who defended him last off-seasons?

he's been playing like crap... what the hell do u expect people to say?
They must not believe in Curry so deeply if they're abandoning him after one third of one season. These are the same people who lashed out against anyone who thought the Curry trade was bad. I'll give Briggs a lot of credit for consistency in his beliefs about Curry (even though I think Briggs is wrong). About half the board thought posters like me, Isles, and Trueblue were just negative, impatient Curry bashers.


[Edited by - bonn1997 on 12-25-2007 10:36 AM]



His fans were throwing fits of rage last yr towards anyone who spoke against Curry. Now the 2 unprotected lottery picks and 2 2nd round draft picked swapped player is going to the bench.

I think most who supported Curry were only saying that there was a chance that he could continue to do what he was doing last year and hopefully improve on that as he went along. He was the primary focus of the offense and for the most part he was successful in that role. The struggles this year have nothing to do with that. This is a new season and a different set of circumstances. The addition of Zach has changed the dynamics here. The failure of Isiah to develop a plan to make the two of them work is another problem. It almost seems like Isiah felt he could just throw the two of them on the court and roll the ball out and it would all work perfectly.

The real problem has been a lack of consistent focus for what this team should be trying to do. We basically had games where the team played well, but it was a fluke not a sign of structure. When you see a team playing the same way game in and game out, then you know they're well coached in what they want to do. We haven't seen that. Instead. From game to game we see totally different things. The focus isn't there. The plan of attack isn't discernable, except for wanting to feed the post. This isn't Curry's fault. He didn't build the team and he didn't come up with the plan. He is a flawed player cast in a big role and if used for what he can due he's effective. If you're looking for him to transform into an effort player, then you clearly aren't being realistic. It's Curry's fault that he isn't in top shape, but Isiah's fault too, for not demanding it. At the top of the list is always Isiah, the architect and coach of this team.
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12/25/2007  3:05 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Curry is averaging 11 PPG and 4.5 RPG this month! Where are all the people who defended him last off-seasons?

he's been playing like crap... what the hell do u expect people to say?
They must not believe in Curry so deeply if they're abandoning him after one third of one season. These are the same people who lashed out against anyone who thought the Curry trade was bad. I'll give Briggs a lot of credit for consistency in his beliefs about Curry (even though I think Briggs is wrong). About half the board thought posters like me, Isles, and Trueblue were just negative, impatient Curry bashers.


[Edited by - bonn1997 on 12-25-2007 10:36 AM]



His fans were throwing fits of rage last yr towards anyone who spoke against Curry. Now the 2 unprotected lottery picks and 2 2nd round draft picked swapped player is going to the bench.

Last year Curry was getting 19.5 pts per game. Last year he co-existed with David Lee and people envisioned what EC could look like with a more solid interior defensive presence next to him. We were calling for patience because patience was called for.

This year, EVERYONE can see that the Zach trade has sent this team into confusion. This isn't about the posters who were willing to be patient with EC last year and are agsint him this year, this is about the system architecture and the way it is managed. Its why I say all the time that we have the wrong coach for this roster. We need a coach who is unafraid on benching guys making 10s of millions of dollars and making his GM look bad. Well... thats been slow to happen. The GM can redeem himself by Coaching outside the box and benching some of him mulit-millionaires.

I don't agree with those that say our players are crap. Djsunyc and others... I just think we have no idea what kind of team we should be. The dump it down every possession thing isn't effective. Its a play to use when you don't trust your PGs.
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12/25/2007  3:05 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Curry is averaging 11 PPG and 4.5 RPG this month! Where are all the people who defended him last off-seasons?

he's been playing like crap... what the hell do u expect people to say?
They must not believe in Curry so deeply if they're abandoning him after one third of one season. These are the same people who lashed out against anyone who thought the Curry trade was bad. I'll give Briggs a lot of credit for consistency in his beliefs about Curry (even though I think Briggs is wrong). About half the board thought posters like me, Isles, and Trueblue were just negative, impatient Curry bashers.


[Edited by - bonn1997 on 12-25-2007 10:36 AM]



His fans were throwing fits of rage last yr towards anyone who spoke against Curry. Now the 2 unprotected lottery picks and 2 2nd round draft picked swapped player is going to the bench.

I think most who supported Curry were only saying that there was a chance that he could continue to do what he was doing last year and hopefully improve on that as he went along. He was the primary focus of the offense and for the most part he was successful in that role. The struggles this year have nothing to do with that. This is a new season and a different set of circumstances. The addition of Zach has changed the dynamics here. The failure of Isiah to develop a plan to make the two of them work is another problem. It almost seems like Isiah felt he could just throw the two of them on the court and roll the ball out and it would all work perfectly.

The real problem has been a lack of consistent focus for what this team should be trying to do. We basically had games where the team played well, but it was a fluke not a sign of structure. When you see a team playing the same way game in and game out, then you know they're well coached in what they want to do. We haven't seen that. Instead. From game to game we see totally different things. The focus isn't there. The plan of attack isn't discernable, except for wanting to feed the post. This isn't Curry's fault. He didn't build the team and he didn't come up with the plan. He is a flawed player cast in a big role and if used for what he can due he's effective. If you're looking for him to transform into an effort player, then you clearly aren't being realistic. It's Curry's fault that he isn't in top shape, but Isiah's fault too, for not demanding it. At the top of the list is always Isiah, the architect and coach of this team.



The fans who were suspicious of Curry(who were right BTW)are the same fans who never wanted the Zach deal done in the first place. Buy out Francis and let Curry continue whatever foolsgold progress he was giving us and hope that Frye gives a little more during his junior season. Without screwing up our cap even more. Make a trade this yr at the deadline if necessary with the hope that players on our roster would have increased their value via playing opportunity. But instead our player values have dropped with the addition of Zach and thrown the chemistry way off base. Seriously, Frye and Curry could do no worse in terms of wins/losses than where we're at now. Not to mention David Lee would be more productive himself. All the original Skeptics/Critics have been right and we're just wondering when is the day we'll see dumb moves like this cease? It doesn't help either when the extension of the coach on the floor in Marbury isn't totally committed to playing basketball yet alone executing I SAY UGH'S ever changing systems.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 12-25-2007 2:14 PM]
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Posted by kam77:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Curry is averaging 11 PPG and 4.5 RPG this month! Where are all the people who defended him last off-seasons?

he's been playing like crap... what the hell do u expect people to say?
They must not believe in Curry so deeply if they're abandoning him after one third of one season. These are the same people who lashed out against anyone who thought the Curry trade was bad. I'll give Briggs a lot of credit for consistency in his beliefs about Curry (even though I think Briggs is wrong). About half the board thought posters like me, Isles, and Trueblue were just negative, impatient Curry bashers.


[Edited by - bonn1997 on 12-25-2007 10:36 AM]



His fans were throwing fits of rage last yr towards anyone who spoke against Curry. Now the 2 unprotected lottery picks and 2 2nd round draft picked swapped player is going to the bench.

Last year Curry was getting 19.5 pts per game. Last year he co-existed with David Lee and people envisioned what EC could look like with a more solid interior defensive presence next to him. We were calling for patience because patience was called for.

This year, EVERYONE can see that the Zach trade has sent this team into confusion. This isn't about the posters who were willing to be patient with EC last year and are agsint him this year, this is about the system architecture and the way it is managed. Its why I say all the time that we have the wrong coach for this roster. We need a coach who is unafraid on benching guys making 10s of millions of dollars and making his GM look bad. Well... thats been slow to happen. The GM can redeem himself by Coaching outside the box and benching some of him mulit-millionaires.

I don't agree with those that say our players are crap. Djsunyc and others... I just think we have no idea what kind of team we should be. The dump it down every possession thing isn't effective. Its a play to use when you don't trust your PGs.


The Curry apologists/fans were the same fans giving I SAY UGH the coach, all the credit in the world for shaping Curry's game and supposedly transforming him into a budding star. Making statements at the beginning of last season that if anyone can coach this team it's the man who put the roster together. They also are the same fans who supported the Zach trade and now all of a sudden he isn't the right coach for this team and Zach has turned a player in Curry who if good by his own merits has been thrown into a state of vertigo by the addition.



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 12-25-2007 2:30 PM]
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if Isiah is admitting that Zach & Curry don't, and he was the one who traded for Zach, how can he still have his job?

This isn't opinion, its logic and fact. The question is why is Dolan screwing fans and forcing us to watch this crap, and screwing Thomas and forcing him to coach this garbage.
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12/25/2007  6:14 PM
I hope they reinforce the bench. I mean structurally, not by getting extra players...
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curry doesnt have the heart to be a player that can dominate because he doesnt have the desire.....he wanted to be a gymnast when he was young and was forced into basketball
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Posted by SupremeCommander:

I hope they reinforce the bench. I mean structurally, not by getting extra players...


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Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Curry is averaging 11 PPG and 4.5 RPG this month! Where are all the people who defended him last off-seasons?

he's been playing like crap... what the hell do u expect people to say?
They must not believe in Curry so deeply if they're abandoning him after one third of one season. These are the same people who lashed out against anyone who thought the Curry trade was bad. I'll give Briggs a lot of credit for consistency in his beliefs about Curry (even though I think Briggs is wrong). About half the board thought posters like me, Isles, and Trueblue were just negative, impatient Curry bashers.


[Edited by - bonn1997 on 12-25-2007 10:36 AM]

it doesn't take faith in a player to determine when a player just isn't playing up to his capabilities... it just takes eyeballs & watching the games... that doesn't make those people wrong for believing that Curry had the ability to be a better player than he's shown this year... did u man up when he was putting up consistent 20 pt. games last season during that stretch where he was playing the best basketball of his career? i didn't hear any apologies from you or anyone else who was against the trade, so what gives you any right to expect to hear any now from those of us who supported it?
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Posted by TrueBlue:

The Curry apologists/fans were the same fans giving I SAY UGH the coach, all the credit in the world for shaping Curry's game and supposedly transforming him into a budding star. Making statements at the beginning of last season that if anyone can coach this team it's the man who put the roster together. They also are the same fans who supported the Zach trade and now all of a sudden he isn't the right coach for this team and Zach has turned a player in Curry who if good by his own merits has been thrown into a state of vertigo by the addition.

u really need to stop generalizing like that... first of all, u can call me a Curry apologist cuz i was defending him last year when guys like u were calling him garbage even after he was putting up some impressive stats... i didn't see u sticking out your chest back then about being right about him.

but i also said that if anyone could coach this team, it's Isiah, so in that regard u can say u are right... i was also probably the biggest opponent of that Zach trade on this board because i knew it would mean a big regression in Curry's game, so your little generalization there is totally false.

i realize acting like u are the only one around here who knows anything about basketball is ur sole mission in posting here, but there are those of us who voice our opinions based on what we see out of our love & interest for this team rather than seeking self fulfillment by trying to prove others wrong on a consistent basis.
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12/26/2007  3:09 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by SupremeCommander:

I hope they reinforce the bench. I mean structurally, not by getting extra players...


I actually get this joke now. I'm a little slow ehhh?


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