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buddapaw
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12/24/2007  6:18 PM
Yes I know he isn't the only problem on this our Knicks, but it has become excruciating to watch him shoot. Sure does the other things like rebounding and what not, SF needs to be able to knock down the open shot when our post players(we have two of them) are double teamed to keep the defense honest. But alas that is not the case, his defense is also overrated because his is overweight and slow, he gets hung up on screens alot. With his current production I see no reason not to start JJ2 in his place because at least JJ2 will not be shooting the ball as much as Q-miss would. The legend tht is Q-miss is in the past, now is the time to develop the future or at the very least see if players like Chandler, Balkman can play every night.

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12/24/2007  6:55 PM
Stiffy Long Stocking should have been bench a long time ago. I guess he is riding dirty on Isiah.
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12/24/2007  6:57 PM
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12/24/2007  6:59 PM
Q. Rich continues to get burn because he is ( or was) the purest shooter we have on the team. If you double down low on Curry and Randolph they can just kick it to the perimeter where Q. Rich or Crawford can hit the open shot. The only problem is no one has been consistently hitting that shot ( especially not Q).

Another there reason is his defense, in which I agree is overrated but how many people on this team body up players like Q. does. Q has a thick frame in contrast to Jeffries and Balkman. He is a physical defender in which Jeffries and Balkman are crafty. Jeffries and Balk might be better defenders but you can overpower them with ease. Being a good defender is also being able to resist being overpowered. Jeffries and Balkman are more in your face annoying type defenders. They are quick but not strong.

Perfect example, yesterday against the Lakers when Q. Rich guarded Kobe he turned Kobe into a jumpshooter ( another reason was due to Kobe ailing groin injury). Why? Because Kobe could not overpower Q. Rich, so he had to use his quickness to try and get a jumpshot off (in which he constantly succeeded). When we played the Cavs and put Balkman on Lebron, The King nearly killed Taz. What I am trying to say is Q. Rich is a strong body defender and he has deceptive quickness. Balkman can NEVER start unless he puts on some weight. Jeffries can start due to his length but is a liability if he has to guard a stronger player.

The Only person I think that can take Q.Rich out the line-up and the Rotation is Wilson Chandler. He is stronger, faster, quicker, and longer than Q. Chandler has all the intangibles to become a great defender but he is young and still has alot to learn. He also needs to work on his jumpshot because it is no where near Q. Rich ( well at this point it might be).

Last year it was said that the Knicks will go as far as Q. Rich allows them, meaning if he is playing D and hitting his shots, we are a tougher team. We all know he is a better player than what he has been showing us this year. I guess we are still waiting for him to get out of this funk. Or maybe the back surgery took away from his physical abilities...
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12/24/2007  7:00 PM
Q-Brick Wretcherdson should be on the IL along with Jamawful Crawful, Fatty McCurry, and Stephraud TruckBury.


What is sad that there IS no internal solution, no magical coach to draw the great (ficticious) potential out of this team.

You get the BEST mix of the players we have and the BEST coach for them and we still miss the playoffs so.........enough of trying to fix this internally or with a new coach! That is NOT possible!



So, There's two things here.

One, play the players who want to play and who will give their all. They may not be very good, they may not win more than 30-something games, but dammit they WILL give their HEART AND SOUL to the uniform and that's something we want to see.

Second: Fire Isiah and tear this disaster down.



Play those who want to play for now:

Lee, Zach, Jeffries, Malik, Jones, Nate, Balkman, Morris, Chandler, Mardy, QRich

But...........

Buy Out: Malik (he deserves it get him out of this mess), Marbury, Jerome

Ship Out: Curry, Crawford, Zach (He's no franchise player forget that idea), QRich




Another way to look at it is this:


Trade: Crawford, Curry, Zach
Buy Out: Jerome, Malik, Marbury
Stuck with: QRich, Jeffries
Like to keep but will use to grease trades to get rid of the others: Lee, Balkman, Mardy, Morris, Chandler, Nate, Jones



That's the way I view our team.
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12/24/2007  7:09 PM
If you've been a fan of this team for more than just a couple of years then you KNOW Dolan won't do any of the things you suggest. He's not going to completely tear it down. He'd rather take on another big contract before he did that. It's what he's always done and I see no evidence that he's about to change.

The most we can hope for is smarter moves and an effort to bring balance to the roster and a better mix. Bench Q and let Chan play. Let the kid get his experience up and see what he does. He's a natural SF with all the tools. Look to improve the SG position. We missed out on M. Carroll or Kapono. Guys that could've given us deep shooting we need. Isiah has to look to fix this. Get Mardy and Balkman back into the mix and let them work their way back into form. No more Malik. Let Morris have a chance. Look to draft a real PG and pick up a shotblocker.
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12/24/2007  7:16 PM
Posted by nixluva:

If you've been a fan of this team for more than just a couple of years then you KNOW Dolan won't do any of the things you suggest. He's not going to completely tear it down. He'd rather take on another big contract before he did that. It's what he's always done and I see no evidence that he's about to change.

The most we can hope for is smarter moves and an effort to bring balance to the roster and a better mix. Bench Q and let Chan play. Let the kid get his experience up and see what he does. He's a natural SF with all the tools. Look to improve the SG position. We missed out on M. Carroll or Kapono. Guys that could've given us deep shooting we need. Isiah has to look to fix this. Get Mardy and Balkman back into the mix and let them work their way back into form. No more Malik. Let Morris have a chance. Look to draft a real PG and pick up a shotblocker.

under layden, dolan had full control.
under isiah, dolan gave him full control.
next gm (which may not be until isiah retires at the age of 72), who knows?

dolan is predictable in his unpredictability.
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12/24/2007  7:18 PM
Posted by nixluva:

If you've been a fan of this team for more than just a couple of years then you KNOW Dolan won't do any of the things you suggest. He's not going to completely tear it down. He'd rather take on another big contract before he did that. It's what he's always done and I see no evidence that he's about to change.

The most we can hope for is smarter moves and an effort to bring balance to the roster and a better mix. Bench Q and let Chan play. Let the kid get his experience up and see what he does. He's a natural SF with all the tools. Look to improve the SG position. We missed out on M. Carroll or Kapono. Guys that could've given us deep shooting we need. Isiah has to look to fix this. Get Mardy and Balkman back into the mix and let them work their way back into form. No more Malik. Let Morris have a chance. Look to draft a real PG and pick up a shotblocker.

How do we know though? He used Layden as a personal puppet to try to run things for himself.

He has let Isiah do WHATEVER Isiah has wanted to!

Why wouldn't he let a respected incomer convince him that it needs to go a different direction?


As to fixing this team using a "shotblocker" and a "real PG" please explain to me how those two (currently) players of fiction will stop our other players from doing everything wrong that has made us such a terrible team?

Will Crawful stop chucking and play defense? Will Jeffries become Scottie Pipper? Will Balkman turn into Bowen? Lee gain Okur's shooting touch? ETc? All because we acquired a "shot blocker" and "true PG"

The answer is....no. Therefore what's the point? You don't add two angels to 15 devils and expect Meals on Wheels and Toys for Tots to evolve from it! You expect the two angels to get their wings ripped off and burned at a campfire.


Enough with the musing that a trade or two would fix this disaster....or the "right" coach would extract all this supposed talent and potential out of this bunch.

NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.


1. Fire Isiah
2. Liquidate Zach, Curry, Crawford to 09s, maybe a small 10 in a multi-player trade. Try to get some picks or kids on rookie deals in those.
3. Summer 09 start rebuilding the RIGHT way!


Enough with this EIGHT YEAR STRONG failure of "rebuild on the fly we're only _______ away from greatness" ideal. It has failed miserably.

Adopt a new policy.................
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12/24/2007  8:38 PM
Enough of that bull**** about Q being a physical defender or pure shooter........never.......wake up.......Q is a phony. Starks was a physical defender and he didn't need to be a D cup to do it. Q has never been a good shooter! He is a volume shooter that can get hot but never in a Knick uni. The dude is a power fwd now....end of story. He is just as big as Malik freakin rose. He's a waste and a phony. He's not a leader or a captain......none of that ****. Fuck Q. Let him go........I like the dude as a person but he is a phony. He saw guys play and he knows what it is to be a real player but that's as far as it goes. He is hands down the worst starting small fwd in the entire league! Knicks suck because they are starting this phony.

Curry is a phony too. Isiah's tales about chicago is a myth............

End of story.......do not praise this bum anymore. He is a waste. That's the end of it.
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12/24/2007  8:53 PM
I still think JJ2 is worse.
If JJ2 started, he too would be the worst SF in the league.
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12/24/2007  9:11 PM
Posted by Panos:

I still think JJ2 is worse.
If JJ2 started, he too would be the worst SF in the league.
Beautiful.

he shoots better than qbrick
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12/24/2007  10:19 PM
?=$!

Thats why.
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12/24/2007  11:27 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Enough of that bull**** about Q being a physical defender or pure shooter........never.......wake up.......Q is a phony. Starks was a physical defender and he didn't need to be a D cup to do it. Q has never been a good shooter! He is a volume shooter that can get hot but never in a Knick uni. The dude is a power fwd now....end of story. He is just as big as Malik freakin rose. He's a waste and a phony. He's not a leader or a captain......none of that ****. Fuck Q. Let him go........I like the dude as a person but he is a phony. He saw guys play and he knows what it is to be a real player but that's as far as it goes. He is hands down the worst starting small fwd in the entire league! Knicks suck because they are starting this phony.

Curry is a phony too. Isiah's tales about chicago is a myth............

End of story.......do not praise this bum anymore. He is a waste. That's the end of it.

Preach on Eny

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12/25/2007  2:23 AM
Q-Rich continues to start cause uh well ummmm have you guys seen our bench? Who do you want to start? IMO, the best and most fairest way to pick a starting lineup is, have everybody on the team write their names on an individual piece of paper, crumple up and put into a hat. Then have 5 "lucky" fans come down and draw their names out. Would the outcome of the game be any different?
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12/25/2007  2:40 AM
I think Q starts because every once in a while he yells at Eddy, and he almost kicked Steph's ass, making him virtually the only knick willing to stand for something.
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12/25/2007  11:06 AM
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Q-Rich continues to start cause uh well ummmm have you guys seen our bench? Who do you want to start? IMO, the best and most fairest way to pick a starting lineup is, have everybody on the team write their names on an individual piece of paper, crumple up and put into a hat. Then have 5 "lucky" fans come down and draw their names out. Would the outcome of the game be any different?

There IS no internal solution I think most understand that. However there is a better solution albeit nothing that will change the team's overall outlook.

The point is to play the best players or the players who play the toughest. Q plays hard but he's become extremely overweight and out of shape and clearly has not recovered from the back surgery, the ankle tweak, and the elbow sprain. Therefore you have to sit him. You nurse Balkman back into game form and go with it.

There's two things here, Major, there's the need to tear the roster down and the need to play those who want to and can play in the meantime.

So in that Q starting or not is a relevant discussion regardless of a course of direction for the team as a whole.

Jeffries right now actually contributes more than Q. Balkman, if he had not been sitting on the bench all this time and would obviously be very rusty if thrown on the fire, also contributes more than Q.

Therefore, BENCH Q, and choose a new path.

In the meantime, for the love of god, liquidate Curry/Craw/Zach, buy out Malik, Jerome, StiffBury, and play the kids and the vets who want to play and will play hard and SMART ball.

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12/25/2007  6:40 PM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by majorleads:

Q-Rich continues to start cause uh well ummmm have you guys seen our bench? Who do you want to start? IMO, the best and most fairest way to pick a starting lineup is, have everybody on the team write their names on an individual piece of paper, crumple up and put into a hat. Then have 5 "lucky" fans come down and draw their names out. Would the outcome of the game be any different?

There IS no internal solution I think most understand that. However there is a better solution albeit nothing that will change the team's overall outlook.

The point is to play the best players or the players who play the toughest. Q plays hard but he's become extremely overweight and out of shape and clearly has not recovered from the back surgery, the ankle tweak, and the elbow sprain. Therefore you have to sit him. You nurse Balkman back into game form and go with it.

There's two things here, Major, there's the need to tear the roster down and the need to play those who want to and can play in the meantime.

So in that Q starting or not is a relevant discussion regardless of a course of direction for the team as a whole.

Jeffries right now actually contributes more than Q. Balkman, if he had not been sitting on the bench all this time and would obviously be very rusty if thrown on the fire, also contributes more than Q.

Therefore, BENCH Q, and choose a new path.

In the meantime, for the love of god, liquidate Curry/Craw/Zach, buy out Malik, Jerome, StiffBury, and play the kids and the vets who want to play and will play hard and SMART ball.

Well I think Q cemented his place in the starting lineup after threatening Isiah the other day in Charlotte. He was right back in the lineup next game playing 35 minutes. I think Isiah is trying to raise his trade value, cause you know, he's always looking to make trades. Obviously not working and only hurting the team. Who cares anyway, the entire team sucks. But Isiah must be convinced Q's value goes beyond his obvious poor shooting at the moment. Problem is, the bench guys like Balkman and Jeffries can't shoot either. I guess now if Nate starts alongside Crawful, you have 2 shooters so you could start Balk or Jeff.

But one thing I cannot understand is why Fred Jones gets more PT than Nate. Yes we all know Nate is reckless, but, he does one thing that the majority of these sackless wonders lack, he play with passion at all times. He doesn't play any defense and doesn't always make good decisions, but when he's on the floor, he doesn't fade away like the rest of the team. In a perfect world, he's a decent guy to have come off the bench as a change of pace or when the team lacks energy.

And yes, I also cannot understand why Balk gets no PT. Looking back at the draft now, I guess everyone was right when they said who the hell is Renaldo Balkman?!?!? Jordan Farmar should have been the pick.
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12/25/2007  8:18 PM
Once Isiah traded for Zach, he was locked into this course for the longhaul. The salary picture was gonna resolve itself quicker before that trade. Now Isiah doesn't have any hope of making a change on this roster unless he can get this team to win some games. As long as this team is playing this bad, it's gonna keep him in a position of weakness in terms of trades. What do we do to clear out roster spots and salary? No one will take the players we have while they're stinking this bad, except in exchange for someone as bad or worse. Who will want Q, Jared, Zach or Curry at this point?

It's one thing to want major change but another to actually make it happen. Teams will only send us more longterm salary. Why would they give us any help? Next year we can move Steph and Malik, but that's not gonna help right now.

Isiah's gonna have to figure this thing out and take a chance on the kids. That's all we've got left. This means more time for Nate, Lee, Balk, Mardy and Chan. See if those guys can infuse the team with the kind of effort we need. He can't be fickle tho. He has to stick with them for the longhaul in order to give them a real chance to get going if they aren't sharp to start off. More than just effort tho, he's gonna have to figure out a style of play too. If you use more of our young guys, they may need to play faster to make it work.

Like it or not, I think it's more realistic to expect more of the same kind of moves. Maybe a trade for an Artest, but no rebuild. It's just gonna be too difficult to make a rebuild happen.
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12/25/2007  9:23 PM
no its never too late to rebuild if you have plan, isiah never had a plan he just was stuck into thinking that the players he traded for would reach their potential and he thought he would look good if they all did....

however when u put career losers together it wont occur like that

2 of the players on this team lead the team in most games without a playoff appearance, marbury has been jettisoned out the 1st round for the best PG in the league and zach was last in the playoffs back when sheed was in portland....and he was seeing pine time than

also....the knicks all they can do is rebuild,how were the blazers able to rebuild in 3 years...they look great with young players with a mixture of level headed vets...nate mcmillan came and cleaned that locker room up and getting rid of zach made them even more cohesive, we may not have liked how soft charmin frye was but at least now hes on a team where he doesn't have pressure to perform and will be able to play his game

the knicks can rebuild but not with Isiah, we need someone who has a plan
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12/25/2007  10:04 PM




Difference? One guy is actually playing the position he needs to play and thats power fwd!!! Both guys are 6'6" and 235lbs.....Q actually has better pts and rebounding stats!!!

Give me a ****ing break!!!! This guy is a phoney. With his WNBA form on the jumper.....Again I like the dude and he used to be one of my favorite players but the dude is not the same and I'm sick of him. He needs to evolve already or lose 15-20lbs!!!!
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