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Queeniepop
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12/20/2007  2:15 PM
GREENBURGH, N.Y. -- New York Knicks point guard Stephon Marbury did not practice Thursday and is not expected to travel to Friday's game at Charlotte.

The team said Marbury was absent because of a combination of flu-like symptoms and personal reasons. Marbury's father died Dec. 2 after becoming ill while attending a game at Madison Square Garden, and Marbury has missed six of the last nine games.

Marbury was in uniform for Wednesday's win over Cleveland but did not play. He had rejoined the team Sunday and played Monday, but didn't practice Tuesday on what would have been his father's birthday.
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12/20/2007  3:14 PM
Wow, maybe him retiring is a strong possibility after all...like the guy or not, you have to have compassion for what he's going through...losing a loved one (especially a parent) is never easy
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12/20/2007  3:31 PM
Posted by NYK3:

Wow, maybe him retiring is a strong possibility after all...like the guy or not, you have to have compassion for what he's going through...losing a loved one (especially a parent) is never easy

But he isn't the only one this has happened to. I feel sorry for anyone who loses a loved but at the same time this is coming across as Marbury putting his situations before the team. It's a Vibe that feels like "Yeah all of us has lost loved ones but I lost "DON MARBURY", therefore "DON MARBURY">>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>your loved ones. While internally that's true but on a scale of "Times And Unforseen Occurences Befall US ALL" it isn't. It's like his dad's death is more important than Q losing his brother that was gunned down or Zach's grandmother's death, who played a huge role in raising him. And if this incident brought this team closer together, how come if for nothing else he doesn't spend time with the team and stay close to them instead of not traveling or attending practice with them?

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 12-20-2007 2:40 PM]
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12/20/2007  3:58 PM
His dad became ill at the Garden and while he didn't die there, Steph may feel that way to a certain extent. It's hard, he has to try and play there, plus he's still home around family so he has to think of it every day. To add to it, it's the holiday season and his dad's birthdate was a few days ago. Maybe the next road trip will help him.

[Edited by - Travla on 12-20-2007 15:01]
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12/20/2007  4:22 PM
Poor Marbury. I mean that sincerely.

But poor Marbury fans too. And poor Knicks fans who aren't fans of Marbury.

I can't wait until we can stop worrying about Marbury.
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12/20/2007  4:38 PM
He knows basketball well enough to understand that this team is better off without him.
And this hurts.
Taking all other circumstances it is not a surprise that he has some sort of depression.
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12/20/2007  4:49 PM
Posted by arkrud:

He knows basketball well enough to understand that this team is better off without him.
And this hurts.
Taking all other circumstances it is not a surprise that he has some sort of depression.

I agree. Plus he looks miserable every time they show him on the bench. This team has enough negativity surrounding it. I am sure the team and coaches have to walk on eggshells around him. I just don't like the fact that he can come and go. I feel bad for him in regard to his loss. On the same token, the team must move on.
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12/20/2007  5:01 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by NYK3:

Wow, maybe him retiring is a strong possibility after all...like the guy or not, you have to have compassion for what he's going through...losing a loved one (especially a parent) is never easy

But he isn't the only one this has happened to. I feel sorry for anyone who loses a loved but at the same time this is coming across as Marbury putting his situations before the team. It's a Vibe that feels like "Yeah all of us has lost loved ones but I lost "DON MARBURY", therefore "DON MARBURY">>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>your loved ones. While internally that's true but on a scale of "Times And Unforeseen Occurrences Befall US ALL" it isn't. It's like his dad's death is more important than Q losing his brother that was gunned down or Zach's grandmother's death, who played a huge role in raising him. And if this incident brought this team closer together, how come if for nothing else he doesn't spend time with the team and stay close to them instead of not traveling or attending practice with them?

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 12-20-2007 2:40 PM]

Dude, you have to understand the dynamics between Marbs, his dad and basketball before you start flapping your gums...I'm not saying I understand it, but I'm smart enough to know I shouldn't tread on something I don't understand...Steph's reason for being, especially in basketball is his father...NOTHING is more important...Steph may have achieved more than his brothers and father but basketball is life in the Marbury household...The patriarch of that existence has just passed away..I'm only assuming, that this has shook up the way Marbs is looking at the game and his life...The reason he has been playing ball is gone...He needs to look inward to determine if he wants this anymore...For some it may take a day, others a week or a month...I'm not saying the Knicks should wait months until Marbs makes his mind up but I believe in giving people their space to make life altering decisions especially after a death...

The team will do well to learn to move on without Marbs anyway...If he is able to come back and contribute, the better...But please, have a little patients and understanding when it comes to things we don't all completely understand...
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12/20/2007  5:34 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by NYK3:

Wow, maybe him retiring is a strong possibility after all...like the guy or not, you have to have compassion for what he's going through...losing a loved one (especially a parent) is never easy

But he isn't the only one this has happened to. I feel sorry for anyone who loses a loved but at the same time this is coming across as Marbury putting his situations before the team. It's a Vibe that feels like "Yeah all of us has lost loved ones but I lost "DON MARBURY", therefore "DON MARBURY">>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>your loved ones. While internally that's true but on a scale of "Times And Unforeseen Occurrences Befall US ALL" it isn't. It's like his dad's death is more important than Q losing his brother that was gunned down or Zach's grandmother's death, who played a huge role in raising him. And if this incident brought this team closer together, how come if for nothing else he doesn't spend time with the team and stay close to them instead of not traveling or attending practice with them?

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 12-20-2007 2:40 PM]

Dude, you have to understand the dynamics between Marbs, his dad and basketball before you start flapping your gums...I'm not saying I understand it, but I'm smart enough to know I shouldn't tread on something I don't understand...Steph's reason for being, especially in basketball is his father...NOTHING is more important...Steph may have achieved more than his brothers and father but basketball is life in the Marbury household...The patriarch of that existence has just passed away..I'm only assuming, that this has shook up the way Marbs is looking at the game and his life...The reason he has been playing ball is gone...He needs to look inward to determine if he wants this anymore...For some it may take a day, others a week or a month...I'm not saying the Knicks should wait months until Marbs makes his mind up but I believe in giving people their space to make life altering decisions especially after a death...

The team will do well to learn to move on without Marbs anyway...If he is able to come back and contribute, the better...But please, have a little patients and understanding when it comes to things we don't all completely understand...


Ummm but Marbury is getting paid 20 million dollars!!! With that, comes BIG responsibility. You know, the show MUST go on! He needs to make a decision soon because it affects not only himself, but also his teammates, coaches, owner, and the fans who pay big money to see the games. If he can't play, then retire. Or stay home, take a buy out and then come back next season for another team.
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12/20/2007  5:41 PM
I'm not trying to be insensitive- but if marbury was playing basketball because of his dad, why was he such a diva? I would think if you were motivated by such a noble reason, you'd be a better team mate.

and does the $20mm a year motivate him to be a professional? or does that have no influence on him? or, is it precisely because he 'got his' that he doesn't 'give' on the court?
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12/20/2007  5:43 PM
You know I think it's time. Send him home for the season and tell him if HE wants to come back then call US. This would affect nothing as we are better off without him especially in his current state. It would also affect nothing salary wise for THIS season.

When the season draws to a close I would contact him and ask him if he wants to play next year. If not I would then proceed with buyout talks if he doesn't waive his option (I cant see him leaving 21M here but you never know with Steph he's a unique one for certain).


As far as he's concerned his father died watching him play ball and watching him get booed and ridiculed by the fans. When he plays in MSG all he's thinking is his dad died in the stands (yeah, I know, he died a little later, but...that's meaningless).

So just send the guy home and let him think about other things. If come February or something he wants to come back? Fine, get into shape, come back in a few weeks. If not? That's also fine at this point.

No sense in pushing an issue like this because nothing good would come of it.

Send him on home and tell him if he wants he can stay home for the rest of the season and then decide early in the summer what he wants.

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12/20/2007  5:48 PM
Posted by majorleads:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by NYK3:

Wow, maybe him retiring is a strong possibility after all...like the guy or not, you have to have compassion for what he's going through...losing a loved one (especially a parent) is never easy

But he isn't the only one this has happened to. I feel sorry for anyone who loses a loved but at the same time this is coming across as Marbury putting his situations before the team. It's a Vibe that feels like "Yeah all of us has lost loved ones but I lost "DON MARBURY", therefore "DON MARBURY">>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>your loved ones. While internally that's true but on a scale of "Times And Unforeseen Occurrences Befall US ALL" it isn't. It's like his dad's death is more important than Q losing his brother that was gunned down or Zach's grandmother's death, who played a huge role in raising him. And if this incident brought this team closer together, how come if for nothing else he doesn't spend time with the team and stay close to them instead of not traveling or attending practice with them?

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 12-20-2007 2:40 PM]

Dude, you have to understand the dynamics between Marbs, his dad and basketball before you start flapping your gums...I'm not saying I understand it, but I'm smart enough to know I shouldn't tread on something I don't understand...Steph's reason for being, especially in basketball is his father...NOTHING is more important...Steph may have achieved more than his brothers and father but basketball is life in the Marbury household...The patriarch of that existence has just passed away..I'm only assuming, that this has shook up the way Marbs is looking at the game and his life...The reason he has been playing ball is gone...He needs to look inward to determine if he wants this anymore...For some it may take a day, others a week or a month...I'm not saying the Knicks should wait months until Marbs makes his mind up but I believe in giving people their space to make life altering decisions especially after a death...

The team will do well to learn to move on without Marbs anyway...If he is able to come back and contribute, the better...But please, have a little patients and understanding when it comes to things we don't all completely understand...


Ummm but Marbury is getting paid 20 million dollars!!! With that, comes BIG responsibility. You know, the show MUST go on! He needs to make a decision soon because it affects not only himself, but also his teammates, coaches, owner, and the fans who pay big money to see the games. If he can't play, then retire. Or stay home, take a buy out and then come back next season for another team.


He's also expressed in several interviews that Basketball is "JUST A GAME", "JUST A HOBBY", "IT DOESN'T DEFINE WHO I AM AS A PERSON", "I DON'T HAVE TO PROVE ANYTHING ELSE ON THE BASKETBALL COURT I'VE MADE IT OUT OF THE GHETTO", so if what you're saying is true Holfresh then maybe he's reflecting on how poorly he displayed "BASKETBALL IS LIFE OF THE MARBURIES" on the court and let his dad and brothers down in a MONUMENTAL fashion. I'm also sick and tired of hearing the rhetoric of what basketball is to the Marburies as if this sport hasn't meant more to other individuals who've faced adversity. It's interesting how Marbury apologists seem to know all the history, feelings, dynamics of the Marburies, in particular Stephon, but can't explain why he hasn't experienced more success in his NBA career and why he's always the center of controversy. What about Jerry Sloan losing his wife to cancer, Karl Malone losing his mother, I forget what football player but he lost his dad the day before the Superbowl I believe and still played?


I agree with what Major said do right by everyone, including himself instead of dragging it out and creating even more negativity and controversy.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 12-20-2007 4:50 PM]
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12/21/2007  12:09 AM
I'll say what everyone is thinking but is afraid to say:

"Just retire and get away from Knicks!"
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12/21/2007  12:30 AM
GEEZ! Some people just don't get it. Perhaps the guy who is already coming to the end of the road is feeling like he just doesn't have the desire to do it as he once did. NO ONE knows how the death of a close loved one will effect you. There's no default reaction to it and you can't control how you feel. You have to take each situation as a separate thing and not try to compare reactions from different people. That's like saying all relationships are the same and thus the death of someone will be felt the same no matter who it was and what kind of relationship you had. You just can't know that.

Everyone is made up differently too. Some people are strong in some areas and weak in others. Some people fold in tough situations while others overcome and do amazing things. It seems to me that he's at least trying to fight thru and make an effort, but sometimes you just don't know how you'll react until your faced with the situation. Maybe it hits him when he gets to the Garden and he may feel that he can do it until he actually get's there and then things change. Maybe it's just becoming clear to him how messed up he is and that he's gonna need a LOT more time to deal with it.

Let's not try to turn this into the usual hate fest that seems to always involve Steph. One way or another the guy was going to be leaving the team soon. If it's a bit early due to this then so be it. Why try to turn this into a negative thing?
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12/21/2007  12:34 AM
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12/21/2007  2:58 AM
Posted by Starks1994:

I'll say what everyone is thinking but is afraid to say:

"Just retire and get away from Knicks!"

& take your towels with ya.
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12/21/2007  7:04 AM
Posted by nixluva:

GEEZ! Some people just don't get it. Perhaps the guy who is already coming to the end of the road is feeling like he just doesn't have the desire to do it as he once did. NO ONE knows how the death of a close loved one will effect you. There's no default reaction to it and you can't control how you feel. You have to take each situation as a separate thing and not try to compare reactions from different people. That's like saying all relationships are the same and thus the death of someone will be felt the same no matter who it was and what kind of relationship you had. You just can't know that.

Everyone is made up differently too. Some people are strong in some areas and weak in others. Some people fold in tough situations while others overcome and do amazing things. It seems to me that he's at least trying to fight thru and make an effort, but sometimes you just don't know how you'll react until your faced with the situation. Maybe it hits him when he gets to the Garden and he may feel that he can do it until he actually get's there and then things change. Maybe it's just becoming clear to him how messed up he is and that he's gonna need a LOT more time to deal with it.

Let's not try to turn this into the usual hate fest that seems to always involve Steph. One way or another the guy was going to be leaving the team soon. If it's a bit early due to this then so be it. Why try to turn this into a negative thing?

he hasn't had the desire to play competitive basketball for the last 2-3 years, and probably hasn't since he got his max deal and his agent answered marbury that barring an act of god, no one could take his money away.
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12/21/2007  8:00 AM
Team is better with he is not around. They voted him off and it was just not for one reason. Teams don't just boot a player for one occurance.

This is not what everyone wants, but its just reality. DramaBury lost the benefit of the doubt years ago and his team cannot muster the abilty to rally around him in ernest.
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12/21/2007  8:16 AM
but they can rally around him in exile!
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12/21/2007  8:18 AM
if he leaves- and he says that the death of his father brought home how important his family is and he wants to, at this stage of his life, spend as much time with them as possible and how now, that is more important that basketball - I'd respect him for it.

The fact is, he doesn't need any more money- I doubt there is a marbury family member that needs him to earn the rest of his $40mm - though they probably could use the jobs at MSG & access to interns.
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