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GKFv2
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12/19/2007  3:38 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2007/12/19/2007-12-19_knicks_fans_give_isiah_thomas_the_slip__.html
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12/19/2007  4:03 PM
Yeah, interesting....Here's my take which I just posted on Knickerblogger:

Amazing that Norman Siegel was there. Here's my thing...

I suggest that the focus should be on Dolan as an owner, and his philosophical approach more so than Isiah, who I see as an agent willing to enforce the mandate. The selltheknicks.com guys were onto something.

Look at the history of this team since Cablevision has been in charge. From Checketts, to Layden, to Isiah, each has followed a policy which refused to take a real long term approach.

I contend that this is the epitome of corporate run management in our current capitalist economic system. Pressures from major investment banking deals and stock market investment mean that short term gains practically always trump those over the long term. Earnings reports come out quarterly, so folks seeded in this mentality always think they can make quick fixes to satisfy investors or in the case of the Knicks, their fans.

This is also fueled by the unbridled optimism that comes from both American culture and the economic success that seems to always be "around the corner" You rarely hear market experts (at least commercially) say the market won't recover, and of course it's the folks who have the least to lose who say this.

The same goes for the Knicks ownership. Dolan hasn't shown fans sincerity regarding change because Cablevision doesn't need the Knicks or MSG to survive. Even with the terrible record over the nearly a decade Forbes lists the Knicks as the most valuable franchise in the NBA. They may lose millions, but Cablevision still makes a big enough profit from other investments that the Knicks losses are practically a drop in the bucket for them.

Until we either see some sign that Dolan can show fans that he understands how Knick fans really feel, by willing to demonstrate a sincere effort to make real long term changes, or force him to somehow sell the team to folks who can do this, then I believe we will continue to suffer even longer.

This isn't about a sense of undeserved entitlement as New York fans, it's about showing respect and responsibility to fans who have supported this team through these bad times. Other NBA cities see their fan base disappear when their teams lose, but many Knick fans have not. We have a history of strong support and love for our team and I say, we deserve our dignity back.
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Bonn1997
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12/19/2007  4:25 PM
Posted by PresIke:

Yeah, interesting....Here's my take which I just posted on Knickerblogger:

Amazing that Norman Siegel was there. Here's my thing...

I suggest that the focus should be on Dolan as an owner, and his philosophical approach more so than Isiah, who I see as an agent willing to enforce the mandate. The selltheknicks.com guys were onto something.

Look at the history of this team since Cablevision has been in charge. From Checketts, to Layden, to Isiah, each has followed a policy which refused to take a real long term approach.

I contend that this is the epitome of corporate run management in our current capitalist economic system. Pressures from major investment banking deals and stock market investment mean that short term gains practically always trump those over the long term. Earnings reports come out quarterly, so folks seeded in this mentality always think they can make quick fixes to satisfy investors or in the case of the Knicks, their fans.

This is also fueled by the unbridled optimism that comes from both American culture and the economic success that seems to always be "around the corner" You rarely hear market experts (at least commercially) say the market won't recover, and of course it's the folks who have the least to lose who say this.

The same goes for the Knicks ownership. Dolan hasn't shown fans sincerity regarding change because Cablevision doesn't need the Knicks or MSG to survive. Even with the terrible record over the nearly a decade Forbes lists the Knicks as the most valuable franchise in the NBA. They may lose millions, but Cablevision still makes a big enough profit from other investments that the Knicks losses are practically a drop in the bucket for them.

Until we either see some sign that Dolan can show fans that he understands how Knick fans really feel, by willing to demonstrate a sincere effort to make real long term changes, or force him to somehow sell the team to folks who can do this, then I believe we will continue to suffer even longer.

This isn't about a sense of undeserved entitlement as New York fans, it's about showing respect and responsibility to fans who have supported this team through these bad times. Other NBA cities see their fan base disappear when their teams lose, but many Knick fans have not. We have a history of strong support and love for our team and I say, we deserve our dignity back.
That's a brilliant post. The reason I'm not signing the Fire Isiah petition is that it places the focus on the wrong target (as bad as Isiah has been).
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12/19/2007  4:43 PM
MSG is only 3% of Cablevision's overall business.
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12/19/2007  4:55 PM
60 signatures? HA HA HA. That will get far.
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12/19/2007  5:02 PM
Posted by Panos:

60 signatures? HA HA HA. That will get far.

in 15min which isn't bad considering it takes time to actually sign the petition. I bet that total is higher than 60 end of day. Maybe he'll vow to return to get more signatures as each day passes.
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12/19/2007  5:55 PM
Fire Isiah!!!...then what. Zeke is a scapegoat. If they can't play under the guy they so called "loved" then who can they play for. As much as I hate to say it, coming from one of the biggest knicks lovers in the world, it really might be time to blow this team up
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12/19/2007  6:05 PM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

Fire Isiah!!!...then what. Zeke is a scapegoat. If they can't play under the guy they so called "loved" then who can they play for. As much as I hate to say it, coming from one of the biggest knicks lovers in the world, it really might be time to blow this team up

We're more upset at I SAY UGH the GM more so than I SAY UGH the coach. So if I SAY UGH the coach is fired we'll welcome a more competent/qualified GM who'll produce a better roster/group of players who'll literally play for an accountable/non-deceiving coach.

What strong Love you have though!
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12/19/2007  6:13 PM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

Fire Isiah!!!...then what. Zeke is a scapegoat. If they can't play under the guy they so called "loved" then who can they play for. As much as I hate to say it, coming from one of the biggest knicks lovers in the world, it really might be time to blow this team up

Zeke "the coach" is now a scapegoat for Zeke "the GM"?

Oh thats rich.

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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12/19/2007  6:15 PM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

Fire Isiah!!!...then what. Zeke is a scapegoat. If they can't play under the guy they so called "loved" then who can they play for. As much as I hate to say it, coming from one of the biggest knicks lovers in the world, it really might be time to blow this team up

Whatever helps you sleep at night, buddy.
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12/19/2007  6:16 PM
If Isiah is fired eventually I pray to God that Stern force feeds a Colangelo To Dolan. Yes I know Dolan wouldn't allow this, but I have very few fantasies left.
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12/19/2007  6:54 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

If Isiah is fired eventually I pray to God that Stern force feeds a Colangelo To Dolan. Yes I know Dolan wouldn't allow this, but I have very few fantasies left.

It won't mean anything if Dolan wouldn't give Collangelo freedom to have a long-term vision. Very few GMs could come in with a more impressive resume than Layden had.
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12/19/2007  9:38 PM
Posted by PresIke:

I suggest that the focus should be on Dolan as an owner, and his philosophical approach more so than Isiah, who I see as an agent willing to enforce the mandate.

Dolan's next.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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12/19/2007  9:40 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Panos:

60 signatures? HA HA HA. That will get far.

in 15min which isn't bad considering it takes time to actually sign the petition. I bet that total is higher than 60 end of day. Maybe he'll vow to return to get more signatures as each day passes.

There should be petitions on every corner. I bet ya they could get well over 100,000 people to sign those things.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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12/19/2007  10:00 PM
I think Ultimateknicks needs to have a rally outside MSG
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4949
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12/19/2007  10:01 PM
Yeah, why are you guys so neutral?
I'll never trust this' team again.
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12/19/2007  10:01 PM
This is great publicity. Free publicity is good publicity.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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12/20/2007  4:08 AM
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

Fire Isiah!!!...then what. Zeke is a scapegoat. If they can't play under the guy they so called "loved" then who can they play for. As much as I hate to say it, coming from one of the biggest knicks lovers in the world, it really might be time to blow this team up

Whatever helps you sleep at night, buddy.

Zeke is not playing on the court right now. He assembled the most talented team in the league. Is it his fault the team cant play together?

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12/20/2007  9:13 AM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

Zeke is not playing on the court right now. He assembled the most talented team in the league. Is it his fault the team cant play together?

Yes. Its not just about getting talent. Its about getting talent that works well together.

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12/20/2007  2:31 PM
Posted by Andrew:
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

Zeke is not playing on the court right now. He assembled the most talented team in the league. Is it his fault the team cant play together?

Yes. Its not just about getting talent. Its about getting talent that works well together.

How is he supposed to know that the talent could or could not work together? The Celtics (not that I am saying they are anything near the Knicks) could have brought in Garnett and Ray Allen and still faltered but it happened to work out. The Nuggets landed A.I. and they did not become that much of a better team with him on board.
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