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12/19/2007  11:27 AM
The Knicks are in a horrific position they have players that no one wants, however I think these deals maybe doable.

1. Keynon Martin for Zach Randolf : Both players have the same number of years left on their deal and KMART might be a little more fragile we would be able to cut his minutes and give more time to David Lee.

2. Fred Jones/Balkman for Artest or Crawford/Balkman for Artest

Marbury
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Artest/Q
Martin/Lee
Curry

Or we can just let the ship go down, but I think Martin and Artest would compliment Curry very well and getting Lee more minutes is always a good thing. Zach is productive but an awful player when it comes to winning games, he turns it over more than any player in the nba and i am sick of watching him argue all game long. I think moving crawford would be helpful in opening up things for marbury and improving the team defense, but more likely they would take the expiring plus balkman.
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12/19/2007  11:36 AM
Denver would have offered K-Mart to Portland if they wanted Zach. No team in the league wants him. And the only thing getting Artest will do is push the team from a top 3 to around the 10th pick in the lottery. Just let the ship sink. No more starphucking.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 12-19-2007 11:36 AM]
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12/19/2007  11:36 AM
would love to keep Fred and give up Craw/Balk for Artest.

I think I like Zach for Martin too.
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12/19/2007  11:37 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Denver would have offered K-Mart to Portland if they wanted Zach. No team in the league wants him. And the only thing getting Artest will do is push the team from a top 3 to around the 10th pick in the lottery. Just let the ship sink. No more starphucking.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 12-19-2007 11:36 AM]

you are gonna have to define starphucking for me again cause what MS has proposed is actually building pieces that fit.
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12/19/2007  11:38 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Denver would have offered K-Mart to Portland if they wanted Zach. No team in the league wants him. And the only thing getting Artest will do is push the team from a top 3 to around the 10th pick in the lottery. Just let the ship sink. No more starphucking.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 12-19-2007 11:36 AM]

you are gonna have to define starphucking for me again cause what MS has proposed is actually building pieces that fit.
Artest fits? Maybe if we're trying to build the all-NBA criminal team, then pairing Zach and Ron fits. Look at Evil's chemistry pic. Then add Ron Artest to the picture. Then don't blame me when you puke.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 12-19-2007 11:39 AM]
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12/19/2007  11:43 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Denver would have offered K-Mart to Portland if they wanted Zach. No team in the league wants him. And the only thing getting Artest will do is push the team from a top 3 to around the 10th pick in the lottery. Just let the ship sink. No more starphucking.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 12-19-2007 11:36 AM]

you are gonna have to define starphucking for me again cause what MS has proposed is actually building pieces that fit.
Artest fits? Maybe if we're trying to build the all-NBA criminal team, then pairing Zach and Ron fits. Look at Evil's chemistry pic. Then add Ron Artest to the picture. Then don't blame me when you puke.

LOL! Can't argue that one.

As much as I would like to have someone who plays like Artest, you're really mixing explosives with that combo.

[Edited by - Solace on Dec 19 2007 11:43 AM]
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12/19/2007  11:43 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Denver would have offered K-Mart to Portland if they wanted Zach. No team in the league wants him. And the only thing getting Artest will do is push the team from a top 3 to around the 10th pick in the lottery. Just let the ship sink. No more starphucking.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 12-19-2007 11:36 AM]

you are gonna have to define starphucking for me again cause what MS has proposed is actually building pieces that fit.
Artest fits? Maybe if we're trying to build the all-NBA criminal team, then pairing Zach and Ron fits. Look at Evil's chemistry pic. Then add Ron Artest to the picture. Then don't blame me when you puke.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 12-19-2007 11:39 AM]

Artest is a 2-way defender who can shut his guy down and stretch the defense. That helps Curry.
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12/19/2007  11:55 AM
Artest just happens to be a top 15 player in this league and a major game changer, not to mention he has less years than Crawford. If it doesn't work out he is gone and it doesn't really hurt us.....

I am not sure denver does the deal but they would like to get rid of KMart and don't have an inside presence to open things up, granted it weaken them on defense, but they are a team in limbo....

Getting Artest in here would be huge, and it would also limit richardsons minutes. These guys may be names but when names play defense you start to build a team.

Curry is going to be useless without more defenders and I actually like the thought of fred jones and artest paired with marbury thats a decent defensive unit and all are high percentage three point shooters. Starphucking is taking on more years, this trade doesn't do that.
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12/19/2007  12:11 PM
holy crap I like these deals- they make sense - the money adds up-

I could see Denver getting Zach- Camby operates from the outside, blocks shots. He can finish off AI's drives- might crowd things for Melo.

I'd want to get a conditional pick back, though, based on minutes/games so if KMART goes down forever, we at least get a first rounder- could be in 2-4 years.

Artest, though, is likely to demand an extension- which I would not give- I'd ask him to opt out.
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12/19/2007  12:13 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Denver would have offered K-Mart to Portland if they wanted Zach. No team in the league wants him. And the only thing getting Artest will do is push the team from a top 3 to around the 10th pick in the lottery. Just let the ship sink. No more starphucking.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 12-19-2007 11:36 AM]

you are gonna have to define starphucking for me again cause what MS has proposed is actually building pieces that fit.
Artest fits? Maybe if we're trying to build the all-NBA criminal team, then pairing Zach and Ron fits. Look at Evil's chemistry pic. Then add Ron Artest to the picture. Then don't blame me when you puke.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 12-19-2007 11:39 AM]

Artest is a 2-way defender who can shut his guy down and stretch the defense. That helps Curry.
How about this definition of starphucking: Getting big name, overpaid players with severe shortcomings who will probably bring in instant cash to an organization but whom well-run, championship-level organizations stay as far away from as possible.
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12/19/2007  12:26 PM
just no
martin? that yeah that'd work 2 days later ur calling for thomas head for a dum move
not giving balkman for artest or jc
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12/19/2007  12:26 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by martin:
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Posted by martin:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Denver would have offered K-Mart to Portland if they wanted Zach. No team in the league wants him. And the only thing getting Artest will do is push the team from a top 3 to around the 10th pick in the lottery. Just let the ship sink. No more starphucking.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 12-19-2007 11:36 AM]

you are gonna have to define starphucking for me again cause what MS has proposed is actually building pieces that fit.
Artest fits? Maybe if we're trying to build the all-NBA criminal team, then pairing Zach and Ron fits. Look at Evil's chemistry pic. Then add Ron Artest to the picture. Then don't blame me when you puke.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 12-19-2007 11:39 AM]

Artest is a 2-way defender who can shut his guy down and stretch the defense. That helps Curry.
How about this definition of starphucking: Getting big name, overpaid players with severe shortcomings who will probably bring in instant cash to an organization but whom well-run, championship-level organizations stay as far away from as possible.

you mean like Dennis Rodman?
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12/19/2007  12:38 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Bonn1997:
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Posted by Bonn1997:

Denver would have offered K-Mart to Portland if they wanted Zach. No team in the league wants him. And the only thing getting Artest will do is push the team from a top 3 to around the 10th pick in the lottery. Just let the ship sink. No more starphucking.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 12-19-2007 11:36 AM]

you are gonna have to define starphucking for me again cause what MS has proposed is actually building pieces that fit.
Artest fits? Maybe if we're trying to build the all-NBA criminal team, then pairing Zach and Ron fits. Look at Evil's chemistry pic. Then add Ron Artest to the picture. Then don't blame me when you puke.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 12-19-2007 11:39 AM]

Artest is a 2-way defender who can shut his guy down and stretch the defense. That helps Curry.
How about this definition of starphucking: Getting big name, overpaid players with severe shortcomings who will probably bring in instant cash to an organization but whom well-run, championship-level organizations stay as far away from as possible.

you mean like Dennis Rodman?

The difference between Rodman and Artst is significant... Rodman won in Detroit before Chicago brought him in. MJ, Pippen, and Jackson would have had Rodman's balls if he screwed up to Artest is certifiably crazy. In that "I'll kill you" way, not the "I feel like wearing heels tonight" way.

HAving siad that, I'd still be totally for picking up Artest in the off season. The Knicks are so bad right now the team has to get a decent lotto pick. Don't mess with success. Another story in the offseason... Artest is crazy, but he gives effort every night. He expects the same from his teammates. He's also immediately, unquestionably be the Knicks best player.
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12/19/2007  1:01 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Bonn1997:
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Denver would have offered K-Mart to Portland if they wanted Zach. No team in the league wants him. And the only thing getting Artest will do is push the team from a top 3 to around the 10th pick in the lottery. Just let the ship sink. No more starphucking.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 12-19-2007 11:36 AM]

you are gonna have to define starphucking for me again cause what MS has proposed is actually building pieces that fit.
Artest fits? Maybe if we're trying to build the all-NBA criminal team, then pairing Zach and Ron fits. Look at Evil's chemistry pic. Then add Ron Artest to the picture. Then don't blame me when you puke.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 12-19-2007 11:39 AM]

Artest is a 2-way defender who can shut his guy down and stretch the defense. That helps Curry.
How about this definition of starphucking: Getting big name, overpaid players with severe shortcomings who will probably bring in instant cash to an organization but whom well-run, championship-level organizations stay as far away from as possible.

you mean like Dennis Rodman?

We need a Jordan and a Pippen first before caring about getting a Rodman. Adding Rodman in his prime to the current group of Knicks would be a recipe for disaster. Anyway, one exception in the history of basketball doesn't disprove any rule.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 12-19-2007 1:01 PM]
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12/19/2007  1:21 PM
We need a Jordan and a Pippen first before caring about getting a Rodman. Adding Rodman in his prime to the current group of Knicks would be a recipe for disaster. Anyway, one exception in the history of basketball doesn't disprove any rule.

Rasheed Wallace? Okay, now we got 2 exceptions. I bet if we think hard enough, we can come up with a bunch more.

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Posted by oohah:
We need a Jordan and a Pippen first before caring about getting a Rodman. Adding Rodman in his prime to the current group of Knicks would be a recipe for disaster. Anyway, one exception in the history of basketball doesn't disprove any rule.

Rasheed Wallace? Okay, now we got 2 exceptions. I bet if we think hard enough, we can come up with a bunch more.

oohah

You mean on contenders, very talented players with questionable attitudes can be difference makers? Shocking revelation. It doesn't apply to the Knicks. We're not anywhere close to that point.

I would love to have Artest. But not with the current squad. Adding Zach was asking for enough trouble, as it was. You want Artest, get rid of Zach, Curry and Mebury, add ONE player who is a leader and then we can talk about bringing in Artest.
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Posted by oohah:
We need a Jordan and a Pippen first before caring about getting a Rodman. Adding Rodman in his prime to the current group of Knicks would be a recipe for disaster. Anyway, one exception in the history of basketball doesn't disprove any rule.

Rasheed Wallace? Okay, now we got 2 exceptions. I bet if we think hard enough, we can come up with a bunch more.

oohah

Yep. It's a lot of this type...
Is it good for the game?

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12/19/2007  1:55 PM
Posted by oohah:
We need a Jordan and a Pippen first before caring about getting a Rodman. Adding Rodman in his prime to the current group of Knicks would be a recipe for disaster. Anyway, one exception in the history of basketball doesn't disprove any rule.

Rasheed Wallace? Okay, now we got 2 exceptions. I bet if we think hard enough, we can come up with a bunch more.

oohah
Rasheed does not fit my definition of starphucking. (See def. above.) Any baggage he had was minimal compared to Artest (maybe one tenth or closer to one one-hundredth!) and championship teams were interested in him. Rasheed was just a guy who yelled at refs. That was the extent of his baggage. But if you can come up with more than 2 in the history of the game who even *might* satisfy the definition, it would be good. Surely, there should be at five per decade if there's any merit to the idea that starphucking works.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 12-19-2007 1:58 PM]
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12/19/2007  2:03 PM
NO to Kenyon Martin for Zach Randolph. Reason Martin is a gimp with a knee ready to give out at any point. I'm not betting 60mm on his knee nor do I think he will ever resemble what he once was.
The reason why people are discouraged or critisize Zach is because he has altered the team chemistry. His fault? I think I'm in the camp of keep Zach and get rid of Curry at this point. Zach has shown a willingness to pass the ball and play hard and well.
Artest--I'm not against getting Artest but I cannot let IT make a decision like that again.

The only transaction the Knicks should think about is GM right now and I mean a GOOD one. I think the man is Jerry West. He's available
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NO to Kenyon Martin for Zach Randolph. Reason Martin is a gimp with a knee ready to give out at any point. I'm not betting 60mm on his knee nor do I think he will ever resemble what he once was.
The reason why people are discouraged or critisize Zach is because he has altered the team chemistry. His fault? I think I'm in the camp of keep Zach and get rid of Curry at this point. Zach has shown a willingness to pass the ball and play hard and well.
Artest--I'm not against getting Artest but I cannot let IT make a decision like that again.

The only transaction the Knicks should think about is GM right now and I mean a GOOD one. I think the man is Jerry West. He's available
What's the reason that Portland got better as soon as they got rid of Zach? What's the reason that all 29 other GMs stayed as far away from Zach as possible when he was available for nothing?
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