when we traded for zach randolph. Zach is a great skill player but is there some kind of evidence that suggests that Portland is better *without* him? Certainly appears to be. Is there any evidence they we are achancged team from last year for the worse? This team is BRUTAL--we sck--we get beat like expansion teams. For IT to talk about playoffs one game after losing 5 games in a row is blasthamy and he had some nice karma shoved in his face. He takes no culpability yet was responsible for making all of these guys rich when other teams wouldn't pay the same rates. Last night was a perfect example of why you DONT want a boycott of games etc.. there is no bigger statement than watching that game last night. I knew we were in for it going up against a team that has so much more size than us and a superior low post player, but we basically lost like the Boston game in the 2nd half. I think you have to believe that while some of our players have some offensive talents--the OVERALL basketball--and I mean defense rebounding passing the whole game--I think our guys are NOT very talented--that IT is overrating their overall skills in a team game concept. That is his vault--he picked one way players[how many times this year have we been beaten down court give up wide open 3s--this is SKILL--the ability to know what to do and have the capabilities to execute. They lack these skills--better known as basketball IQ--we have a F dumb team a BRUTALLY dumb team --does anyone care to say otherwise? They dont know how to play the game--the team is put together like sht--that is why we sck so badly.

Well look- what team chemistry and dynamics was this 33 win team building from anyway? That's the problem.

Posted by BRIGGS:

when we traded for zach randolph. Zach is a great skill player but is there some kind of evidence that suggests that Portland is better *without* him? Certainly appears to be. Is there any evidence they we are achancged team from last year for the worse? This team is BRUTAL--we sck--we get beat like expansion teams. For IT to talk about playoffs one game after losing 5 games in a row is blasthamy and he had some nice karma shoved in his face. He takes no culpability yet was responsible for making all of these guys rich when other teams wouldn't pay the same rates. Last night was a perfect example of why you DONT want a boycott of games etc.. there is no bigger statement than watching that game last night. I knew we were in for it going up against a team that has so much more size than us and a superior low post player, but we basically lost like the Boston game in the 2nd half. I think you have to believe that while some of our players have some offensive talents--the OVERALL basketball--and I mean defense rebounding passing the whole game--I think our guys are NOT very talented--that IT is overrating their overall skills in a team game concept. That is his vault--he picked one way players[how many times this year have we been beaten down court give up wide open 3s--this is SKILL--the ability to know what to do and have the capabilities to execute. They lack these skills--better known as basketball IQ--we have a F dumb team a BRUTALLY dumb team --does anyone care to say otherwise? They dont know how to play the game--the team is put together like sht--that is why we sck so badly.

yea, briggs, that is evident. I made a thread on realgm, about our teams talent being overrated. That we don't have as much talent as many think... I find it odd, that Isiah doesn't play randolph morris, if you watch him play, he is one of our few bigs, along with lee, that understands how to play. Now I am talking about morris from what I saw in summer league, and I know the competition is not the same, but the basketball concepts are. things like setting a proper pick to free your guards, not to get YOUR shot. boxing out, understanding what the offensive player likes to do, and taking that away, combating a guys second move after you have stopped his first move.. things like that, these guys don't seem to understand... I think Fred jones has a clue, and there are a few others, I think Q has a clue, he is just physically not the same player... and it shows...

Zach is a stat whore loser. Last night was the perfect example. His numbers look nice but if you actually watched the game, you'd know that he was more interested in arguing with refs than getting back on defense or making sure that his man didn't have an uncontested 3 pt shot.

when we traded for zach randolph. Zach is a great skill player but is there some kind of evidence that suggests that Portland is better *without* him? Certainly appears to be. Is there any evidence they we are achancged team from last year for the worse?

Look Portland decided to go in a different direction. I cann't really blame them you have 2 lottery picks and it would be retarded not to put them in the best possible situation for them to develop. Now what is so earth shattering about that? Its not an indictment of Zach but if you draft two guys at 1 and 4 it doesn't make sense for one of them to basically be in a situation where they will most likely remain as a back-up.

I'm not sure what your saying in the rest of your post. But I will say this Isiah lost these players very early on the season. Right now playing in the Garden wearing a Knicks uniform is Ground Zero for a professional basketball player. And its clear that when Marbury enters into the game or when the Knicks try to force the issue with Curry it goes from bad to worse. Right now its like this dark cloud following the Knicks around and as long as Isiah Thomas and Stephon Marbury remain with the organization things will only continue to get worse before they get better. This isn't a problem unique to only this season either. Contrary to what many on here purport with their revisionist history. The Knicks were not a good team last season but the one glaring difference is that last season was actually about basketball. This season however there' so much crap going wrong off the court that basketball has become 3rd 4th priority in the Knicks organization.

[Edited by - bitty41 on 12-18-2007 10:44 AM]

Bitty you could put the staff of Wooden, Bear Bryant, Herb Brooks, and Chuck Noll and this team isnt going to win. They are lazy, selfish, and losers. Last year this team at least competed and sucked. Portland fleeced us by giving us Zach and a extra 25 million in salary and took a role player. Bitty didnt you say at the time Portland and Knicks had the same record that time will tell who will be better. I think the time has come. The Knicks have no direction or plan

Bitty you could put the staff of Wooden, Bear Bryant, Herb Brooks, and Chuck Noll and this team isnt going to win. They are lazy, selfish, and losers. Last year this team at least competed and sucked.

Wait do those adjectives describe David Lee as well? Last year please shut up about last season your ONLY reason for thinking the Knicks were making progress last season was because David Lee was playing big minutes now because he's back to being just a bench player now the Knicks suck. But last season they were going places yea right.

Bitty didnt you say at the time Portland and Knicks had the same record that time will tell who will be better. I think the time has come. The Knicks have no direction or plan

Yes time will tell about Portland and until Isiah Thomas is fired then we can revisit the Knicks situation. King I've also said from the very beginning that the Knicks had no direction or plan and that no player could succeed in these circumstances.

i mean did anybody see zach randolph last night on the fastbreak when he LITERALLY turned his back on troy murphy, who promptly drained a 3 (this was during the 20 missed fgs).

this team is a DISASTER HOW HAS ISIAH NOT BEEN FIRED its truly shocking, there are 0 good players on this team.

i would swap EVERY ROSTER in the nba for ours, EVERY ROSTER. this is far and away the worst squad in the NBA

Adding Zach to this team was stupid because he didn't fill ANY need and he also brought along with him questionable attitude and work-ethic. It's not Zach fault that he was brought here, but bringing him here was the last thing this team needed to do.

Adding Zach to this team was stupid because he didn't fill ANY need and he also brought along with him questionable attitude and work-ethic.

Zach has not thus far exhibited any of these traits. He may play selfish at times and not particularly smart but he does work hard.

Posted by bitty41:

Adding Zach to this team was stupid because he didn't fill ANY need and he also brought along with him questionable attitude and work-ethic.

Zach has not thus far exhibited any of these traits. He may play selfish at times and not particularly smart but he does work hard.

I consider being selfish on the basketball-court as questionable work-ethic because he's not working to be more of a team-player, in a team-sport where the ultimate goal is winning.