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King1
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12/17/2007  1:59 PM
than the Knicks will ever be in. How do you lose a 20/10 man and the team becomes better? Portland is playing great ball and they have a potential franchise player injured. Is there a team in the NBA in worse shape than the knicks for the next 5 years?
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12/17/2007  2:04 PM
and aldridge has been out too. travis outlaw has been a decent surprise for them, he's playing well.
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12/17/2007  2:15 PM
And Fry had 20 + 9 last game...
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12/17/2007  2:17 PM
No King, there is no team in the NBA in worse shap than the Knicks for the next 5 years.

Portland made the playoffs every year from 82-83 to 02-03 and then rebuilt. It took them only 3 years to acquire SOLID players and people like Roy, Oden, Aldridge, Webster, Outlaw, Jarret Jack, etc etc. What a fine job Kevin Pritchard has done.
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12/17/2007  2:28 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

No King, there is no team in the NBA in worse shap than the Knicks for the next 5 years.

Portland made the playoffs every year from 82-83 to 02-03 and then rebuilt. It took them only 3 years to acquire SOLID players and people like Roy, Oden, Aldridge, Webster, Outlaw, Jarret Jack, etc etc. What a fine job Kevin Pritchard has done.


And he did it while giving up guys who on our team would become the best players (Zach, Sheed.)

He even did it without Isiah taking Patterson and Miles off his hands. Thats what I call doing it the hard way.
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12/17/2007  2:31 PM
Your agenda will point to one guy, b/c that's who your agenda has been against.

But the real reason is that Portland has been able to acquire several lottery picks and has KEPT them. THey've endured their years of losing and have thoroughly rebuilt through their draft. Shedding Zach has opened up more spots for their youngsters but has been far from the reason why they got better. They got a massive youth/talent infusion and slowly rid themselves of other players.

If we did the same here- kept all our picks and let our other guys slowly fall off the roster, we'd be in good shape too.
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12/17/2007  2:46 PM
They rid themselves of the drama and started going after guys that play for the sake of winning. Hopefully that will be our next step.
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12/17/2007  3:56 PM
Why something logical and normal for NBA for years and years looks so exceptional?
Knicks are really exceptional. And it looks like by design.
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12/17/2007  4:54 PM
isiah's committment to frye in the 2005 draft cost us 3 lotto picks.
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12/17/2007  5:06 PM
how about bynum?

bynum is putting up double-doubles and multiple-block games on a nightly basis and he's 20! he's a MONSTER
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12/17/2007  5:17 PM
Posted by BigSm00th:

how about bynum?

bynum is putting up double-doubles and multiple-block games on a nightly basis and he's 20! he's a MONSTER

I could care less about Bynum "getting it" at 20 years old. I prefer my young big men to take 15 seasons to realize that they have to play hard to get results. I can wait you impatient loser.
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12/17/2007  7:27 PM
King lets see how many threads you have created in the last month about Zach Randolph:

http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=24586

http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=24562&page=1

So when are you going to start working on your fourth? Because you know the end of December is right around the corner and it would be extremely disappointing if Christmas passed without you creating a "Zach is the devil spawn's thread"

Your agenda will point to one guy, b/c that's who your agenda has been against.
But the real reason is that Portland has been able to acquire several lottery picks and has KEPT them. THey've endured their years of losing and have thoroughly rebuilt through their draft. Shedding Zach has opened up more spots for their youngsters but has been far from the reason why they got better. They got a massive youth/talent infusion and slowly rid themselves of other players.

If we did the same here- kept all our picks and let our other guys slowly fall off the roster, we'd be in good shape too.

You know whats the best part about this Vdesai is that he thinks he's being subtle LOL
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12/17/2007  8:09 PM
Posted by bitty41:

King lets see how many threads you have created in the last month about Zach Randolph:

http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=24586

http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=24562&page=1

So when are you going to start working on your fourth? Because you know the end of December is right around the corner and it would be extremely disappointing if Christmas passed without you creating a "Zach is the devil spawn's thread"

Your agenda will point to one guy, b/c that's who your agenda has been against.
But the real reason is that Portland has been able to acquire several lottery picks and has KEPT them. THey've endured their years of losing and have thoroughly rebuilt through their draft. Shedding Zach has opened up more spots for their youngsters but has been far from the reason why they got better. They got a massive youth/talent infusion and slowly rid themselves of other players.

If we did the same here- kept all our picks and let our other guys slowly fall off the roster, we'd be in good shape too.

You know whats the best part about this Vdesai is that he thinks he's being subtle LOL
The threads all have different points of discussion. This one is actually about Portland not just Zach. E-Mail the mods if you have a problem with 3 somewhat related threads in a month.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 12-17-2007 8:09 PM]
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12/17/2007  8:21 PM
The threads all have different points of discussion. This one is actually about Portland not just Zach. E-Mail the mods if you have a problem with 3 somewhat related threads in a month.

How about this Bonn explain to me why I or anyone on a Knicks borad should care about the Portland Trailblazers?
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12/17/2007  8:27 PM
Posted by bitty41:
The threads all have different points of discussion. This one is actually about Portland not just Zach. E-Mail the mods if you have a problem with 3 somewhat related threads in a month.

How about this Bonn explain to me why I or anyone on a Knicks borad should care about the Portland Trailblazers?

because they at one point in time had the highest payroll in the NBA, and utilizing a very different philosophy, are poised to put together a young team that might become very good, very soon.

As opposed to the crap we've had to suffer through.

3 years is not long to rebuild, and NY fans would gladly accept three years of rebuilding if we potentially had a team like portland to look forward to.
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12/17/2007  8:33 PM
because they at one point in time had the highest payroll in the NBA, and utilizing a very different philosophy, are poised to put together a young team that might become very good, very soon.

As opposed to the crap we've had to suffer through.

3 years is not long to rebuild, and NY fans would gladly accept three years of rebuilding if we potentially had a team like portland to look forward to.

Still not seeing the relevance? We could talk about every team's philosphy and management but in the end they have absolutely no impact on what happens in NY other then if there involved with a deal.
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12/17/2007  9:57 PM
Posted by bitty41:
because they at one point in time had the highest payroll in the NBA, and utilizing a very different philosophy, are poised to put together a young team that might become very good, very soon.

As opposed to the crap we've had to suffer through.

3 years is not long to rebuild, and NY fans would gladly accept three years of rebuilding if we potentially had a team like portland to look forward to.

Still not seeing the relevance? We could talk about every team's philosphy and management but in the end they have absolutely no impact on what happens in NY other then if there involved with a deal.
This is basically an NBA/Knicks forum IMO with Knicks simply in the title. Probably 20 threads per week are NBA threads. Maybe more. King connected the thread to the Knicks pretty clearly anyway

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 12-17-2007 9:59 PM]
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12/17/2007  10:01 PM
I don't agree about curry being better than Randolph but I agree that every team in the league has a brighter future than us. Every single one of them. Hawks, Bobcats, Clippers, T-Wolves.... all of them...........
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12/17/2007  10:02 PM
Posted by bitty41:
because they at one point in time had the highest payroll in the NBA, and utilizing a very different philosophy, are poised to put together a young team that might become very good, very soon.

As opposed to the crap we've had to suffer through.

3 years is not long to rebuild, and NY fans would gladly accept three years of rebuilding if we potentially had a team like portland to look forward to.

Still not seeing the relevance? We could talk about every team's philosphy and management but in the end they have absolutely no impact on what happens in NY other then if there involved with a deal.

ok- lets just talk about the knicks, and what a crappy bunch of basketball we have to watch, and how correct Dolan was to say New York would not wait for a rebuild and how Isiah was going to rebuild on the fly.

All the while, somehow, unbeknownst to you and Dolan, teams like Utah and Portland somehow - god only knows- are able to rebuild in 2-3 years, and put a competitive team on the court- one that is entertaining.

Yes, lets not talk about what other teams are doing, because doing so only highlights what crap we have to watch.
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12/17/2007  10:05 PM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by bitty41:
because they at one point in time had the highest payroll in the NBA, and utilizing a very different philosophy, are poised to put together a young team that might become very good, very soon.

As opposed to the crap we've had to suffer through.

3 years is not long to rebuild, and NY fans would gladly accept three years of rebuilding if we potentially had a team like portland to look forward to.

Still not seeing the relevance? We could talk about every team's philosphy and management but in the end they have absolutely no impact on what happens in NY other then if there involved with a deal.

ok- lets just talk about the knicks, and what a crappy bunch of basketball we have to watch, and how correct Dolan was to say New York would not wait for a rebuild and how Isiah was going to rebuild on the fly.

All the while, somehow, unbeknownst to you and Dolan, teams like Utah and Portland somehow - god only knows- are able to rebuild in 2-3 years, and put a competitive team on the court- one that is entertaining.

Yes, lets not talk about what other teams are doing, because doing so only highlights what crap we have to watch.
Apparently any mention of another team--even if the discussion includes/focuses on the Knicks--is out of place in a Knicks forum!

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 12-17-2007 10:05 PM]
Portland is in much better shape

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