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David Lee, Nate, Balkman, Wilson, morris and Collins: the thrill is gone!
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EnySpree
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12/12/2007  12:39 PM
I don't believe in these guys anymore. Sure they are talented dudes but let be realistic......the Knicks are losing. What the hell are they holding on to these guys for? Are they gonna wait till these dudes are 26-27 and totally ****ed? Time to cash in.....

How? I personally would try to packedge them for a starter plus some type of draft pick......comb the ****ing league and lets just get some real heathy ball players with real experience/talent.

Wally Z......I hope he shows up to play against the Knicks so he can showcase what I think he can do for the Knicks. I like him as the starter in Q's spot. All those gay form set shots that rip the paint off the rim would be automatic bombs that would bury a teams confidence not to mention make the game easier for the rest of the guys.

Flip Murray.......he gets like 10 minutes a game behind Billups and rip, then rip or billups go down and he drops nothing but numbers all across the board. Detroit had affalo and that other rookie that is out for the season....they would move flip easy. He's way better than marbs at the game Isiah wants to play. He's also a cold blooded scorer. I like him with Craw in the backcourt. Unlike Marbs....Murray can actually defend point guards.

Sergio rodriguez, francisco garcia, Shawne Willams, comb the league.....there are others......

Bench?
Jared, and Malik need to earn their money. Those guys have servicable skills to fill back-up roles.....let them do that. Q is washed up but also locked up with long money. Let him be a 6th man. Fred Jones can play this game and he should stick around.

Knicks didn't use their trade exemption so Im sure they can still trade it to fill space in a trade.

Zach/ Malik
Wally/ jared
Curry/ jerome
Flip/ jones
Craw/ q

To me that team is just flat out better. Isiah would have to tweak the focus of the team making it more perimeter oriented where Zach would be the inside outside focal point. curry needs to be setting screens for everyone and rolling becoming a reciever. Curry's touches should be limited on the blocks if not totally eliminated all together. He's just not good at being shaq so let him be amare/boozer and get the ball on the move. Flip, jones, and craw should be sent to the basket behind the screens. These guys are more efficient going to the hole instead of the jumping nate and the battering ram Marbs. wally would look like chris freakin mullin with these guys.

This is my idea......but the moral of the story is.......all the kids have to go!!! Fuck are we holding them for? The league is filled with talent. Time to explore and move the **** on.
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12/12/2007  12:53 PM
Who cares, bro.
It ain't going to make a difference.
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12/12/2007  12:57 PM
Wally Z, Flip, etc etc are not going to help this team. This roster is a mishmosh of **** man. We need a full rebuild, I hate to trade guys like Lee but he has value and thats something 99% of our players don't have. Time to bite the bullet(6 years too late) and rebuild this roster.
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12/12/2007  1:00 PM
Wally and Flip give you more hope than Balkman, Lee, Morris and Chandler?

Giving up on those guys to go "all in" on Eddy, Zach and Crawford is desperate and dangerous.

I suggest a moratorium on trades until we have a real GM and coach in place to make sensible evaluations once the toxins are removed.
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12/12/2007  1:07 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

Wally and Flip give you more hope than Balkman, Lee, Morris and Chandler?

Giving up on those guys to go "all in" on Eddy, Zach and Crawford is desperate and dangerous.

I suggest a moratorium on trades until we have a real GM and coach in place to make sensible evaluations once the toxins are removed.

I second that motion.
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12/12/2007  1:10 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

Wally and Flip give you more hope than Balkman, Lee, Morris and Chandler?

Giving up on those guys to go "all in" on Eddy, Zach and Crawford is desperate and dangerous.

I suggest a moratorium on trades until we have a real GM and coach in place to make sensible evaluations once the toxins are removed.

That's all I've ever wanted since I've been here.
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12/12/2007  1:24 PM
Wally and Flip are players I chose because they have major talent and are basically throw aways on their teams because of who is in front of them.

Its a plug and play type of thing. I like the two players I chose but it could be anybody. Thing is the Knicks don't have a starter in any of these young guys. So why are the knicks holding on to a starting line-up worth of guys that will not ever play?

Its clear Isiah aint getting fired........Cash these young guys in and get picks and 2 starters to fill the point and 3 spot......revamp the focus on offense and lets salvage the season.

Its either that or burn the mofo down and isiah aint gonna trade away the guys to do that.

So isiah has got to flip some players around......like before christmas. The young guys can bring in the most value so lets do it.
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12/12/2007  1:28 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

I suggest a moratorium on trades until we have a real GM and coach in place to make sensible evaluations once the toxins are removed.

Then we're going to need a weekly dose of chemo as long as Little Jimmy is running things.

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12/12/2007  1:32 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by BlueSeats:

Wally and Flip give you more hope than Balkman, Lee, Morris and Chandler?

Giving up on those guys to go "all in" on Eddy, Zach and Crawford is desperate and dangerous.

I suggest a moratorium on trades until we have a real GM and coach in place to make sensible evaluations once the toxins are removed.

That's all I've ever wanted since I've been here.


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12/12/2007  2:30 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Wally Z, Flip, etc etc are not going to help this team. This roster is a mishmosh of **** man. We need a full rebuild, I hate to trade guys like Lee but he has value and thats something 99% of our players don't have. Time to bite the bullet(6 years too late) and rebuild this roster.

agreed... i'm not married to any of them either, but i do think they can all be part of a winning team as long as u surround them around the right core... we don't have that obviously... if it takes trading any of them to acquire that core to build on, u have to do it.
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12/12/2007  5:54 PM
We haven't been getting the same runs from the bench as we did last year. Kind of odd. I think a lot of it has to do with the combinations put on the floor. I haven't seen a Nate/Balkman/Lee/Chandler line on the floor or anything close to that.
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12/12/2007  6:51 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

Wally and Flip give you more hope than Balkman, Lee, Morris and Chandler?

Giving up on those guys to go "all in" on Eddy, Zach and Crawford is desperate and dangerous.

I suggest a moratorium on trades until we have a real GM and coach in place to make sensible evaluations once the toxins are removed.

yea, the virus is starting to kick in around here with some posters, some of the post around here.. LOL...... I mean really, why get rid of the only guys who seem to play hard every night for other teams trash... geez, when enron was exposed, they didn't go after middle managers, they went right to the top..... why can't we do the same?

[Edited by - tkf on 12-12-2007 6:52 PM]
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12/12/2007  7:34 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by BlueSeats:

Wally and Flip give you more hope than Balkman, Lee, Morris and Chandler?

Giving up on those guys to go "all in" on Eddy, Zach and Crawford is desperate and dangerous.

I suggest a moratorium on trades until we have a real GM and coach in place to make sensible evaluations once the toxins are removed.

yea, the virus is starting to kick in around here with some posters, some of the post around here.. LOL...... I mean really, why get rid of the only guys who seem to play hard every night for other teams trash... geez, when enron was exposed, they didn't go after middle managers, they went right to the top..... why can't we do the same?

[Edited by - tkf on 12-12-2007 6:52 PM]

I gotta figure Dolan was hoping that Isiah's job security was a dark cloud over the team, and that if he gave assurances and settled the harassment suit the cloud would be lifted and the team would unify. I can understand it, management has invested a lot in Isiah and his players, Dolan has to give it every chance to work. But the irony is that the early extension backfired last year, and the assurances have done little so far this year.

I suspect as much as the players love the ice cream parties and all the ways Isiah coddles them, deep down they don't respect him enough. They've seen how he's never gotten a handle on Marbury, who few if any even like. They've seen him never get a handle on a coach, or offer better solutions of his own. They've seen him make trade after trade that only crowds the roster, confuses their roles, and fills none of the voids. At a certain point I think the players want someone who's going to lead or get out of the way, and more and more they may see Isiah as in the way.

But having said all that, it's still inexcusable. Isiah is just the next in a long line of coaches they've checked out on. They realize that winning would require things of themselves that they're just not willing to give, so they wait and wait for someone who can make it easy for them - and we know that person will never come.

[Edited by - blueseats on 12-12-2007 7:38 PM]
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12/12/2007  7:37 PM
This team disgusts me. Knickerbocker, please!
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12/12/2007  7:39 PM
I don't mind getting rid of the young players but who are we getting back? Also the young players that are on the Knicks are beyond overrated. Yet Knicks fans act as if we are the only ones that have good young players. Look at the Pistons they have all-stars while at the same time have collected good young talent.
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12/12/2007  7:51 PM
Posted by BigC:

I don't mind getting rid of the young players but who are we getting back? Also the young players that are on the Knicks are beyond overrated. Yet Knicks fans act as if we are the only ones that have good young players. Look at the Pistons they have all-stars while at the same time have collected good young talent.

I agree. I hate when Knick fans overrate these players.
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12/13/2007  1:52 AM
just as long as the moves make sense for this team's longterm improvement... u don't trade our young guys for temporary band aid type quick fix solutions & ruin whatever little flexibility this team has to make future deals to improve the roster.
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12/13/2007  9:40 AM
what boggles my mind:

The 75-0 Celtics can play and develop Big Baby

the 0-75 Knicks can't play Chandler or Balkman any significant minutes.
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12/13/2007  9:55 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

what boggles my mind:

The 75-0 Celtics can play and develop Big Baby

the 0-75 Knicks can't play Chandler or Balkman any significant minutes.

or Collins or Morris.
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12/13/2007  10:05 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

what boggles my mind:

The 75-0 Celtics can play and develop Big Baby

the 0-75 Knicks can't play Chandler or Balkman any significant minutes.

Because we might play better with those guys, and Isiah the coach is sabotaging the team so he can take Isiah the GM's job.
David Lee, Nate, Balkman, Wilson, morris and Collins: the thrill is gone!

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