How about we do this trade, pretty good for us I think

Zach and Fred Jones to Indy for Jermaine O'Neil, yes I know he is injured alot but we need defense and this guy will provide that and doesn't ballhog like Zach. He also has only 2 years left on his contract. Another trade I would try to get done would be Craw, Jefferies and Nate to Seattle for Earl Watson and Wally - who has two years left. These two trades we can free up some roster spots and also cut our cost within the next two years when suckbery contract expires. Just a thought. Opinions?

You would be more likely to make it happen if its Mardy Collins, Balkman and Zach.

And you think Indy is going to take another good character guy like zach on their team. Their pg was involved in another shooting incident.

Still would run into similiar type problems, if you were sending jermaine oneal to the lakers for a combination of Odom, Farmer, Kwame Brown I think that would be a terrific trade. I would even give up our draft pick in order to make this deal go

Indy get Collins, Balkman, Zach, and a future number 1 from us
LA Gets Jermaine O'Neal, Nate
NY gets Farmer, Odom, and Kwame

Curry, Brown
Odom, Lee
Richardson, Jefferies
Crawford
Marbury, Farmer

It's an upgrade for everyone, but Indy will be hard pressed to do the deal but it clears cap space and gets you a young pg and and someone that can handle the ball and shot the three from the pf slot.

I would do the second trade in a heartbeat, but seattle doesn't need our garbage and jamal doesn't bring anything to the table. you can be a vocal leader and call guys out for not playing hard, but when you don't play any defense its a tremendous problem.

Posted by tkf:

why do we want to make these types of moves?

[Edited by - tkf on 11-12-2007 11:12 AM]

Good question. I for one don't. There is no fix to this disaster.

Fire Isiah, try to liquidate every single player we have into 2009 expirings, picks, and kids on rookie deals. Don't do deals from a talent standpoint. Do them all from a financial standpoint.

Clean house and hopefully by the summer of 2009 whoever is in charge can then begin planning for the future.

i told u guys Curry would regress once Zach came into the fold... that was an ill fated trade from the very beginning.

You can't blame Zach for Curry's performance. Curry is nothing but a fat lazy player you would think his near brush with death would have inspired him to be a better player and realize what he has. But Curry doesn't care and you can't teach caring he has to want to be great and then and only then can he elevate his performace to a higher level. Coming in fat and out of shape is a bad thing he has going. Curry needs to realize once his off season start that is when he has to work harder than ever for the regular season but he doens't get it and I know he will never get it. After backing this fat clown and trying to be positive with him has only made anyone who supported him look the fool and that includes Isiah who is coming off looking like a fool for giving him the contract that he did.

Missing point blank shots because he is to fat to elevate is not Zach's fault. Zach has had some bad games but the man is trying out there and almost pressing to hard to please everyone. BUt Curry doesn't give a shyt about basketball he is in it for the pay check not to be one of the greatest to ever play he could careless about that.

i think all of us knew, tho some wanted to take a wait and see approach, that it wasn't going to work.

so what do we do now? buddapaw has the right idea, and that's to move one of them.

but the question is...which one?

can we trade curry and find an adequate replacement at that position? or is it easier to find a replacement at the pf spot?

and is the objective to build for a title or just win some games now?

i would keep zach b/c he likes to play basketball. eddy is a guy that needs to be coddled a bit. so trade eddy for the best guard/sf you can get.

and until we find a center, we should sign some stopgaps like the brian skinners of the league.

Because shoots it about 16 times a game is the reason Curry isnt getting touches.

Posted by holfresh:



The biggest problem I think with the Knicks this year offensively is outside shooting...Team are collapsing in on Curry and Zack and daring our guards to shoot the ball...Thats why we see so many turnovers on passes to the posts...I really don't think it's Curry, it's the way the Knicks are being played this year...Curry still has a high field goal percentage but isn't getting the touches...

with those 2 bigs, there's not a good amount of spacing out there. curry can really only function in one role, to get the ball everytime down the court and try to score from deep.

the addition of zach totally took away all of the mental stability and approach curry had to his role. now he's pressing. and what's being thoroughly exposed is that without the touches, he adds nothing to the team.

zach is a way better player but his addition hurt curry's development. now, we could've still made the zach deal, but we have to trade eddy asap before this gets really bad...and if they play like this, there could be a blowup between eddy and zach.

For this team to improve, Curry has to play defense and rebound.

that's not the type of player he is... you mine as well expect Zach to play defense & run the point... Curry's an offensive scorer... he's not a strong rebounder & he's a pisspoor defender... we already had a strong rebounder playing alongside him... we needed a defensive intimidator who could block shots... therefore naturally we targetted a player who didn't do either with an albatross contract... yet another example of brilliant roster management.

[Edited by - TMS on 12-11-2007 3:46 PM]

Posted by holfresh:


The answer is always rush to trade a player for another...That isn't always the answer...If anyone should understand this, is a Knick fan...

That is sort of how we got into this mess. Of course it isn't that all trades are bad. The question is do the trades make sense? Do they help us get a more balanced roster?


If no one is getting traded then perhaps something like what dj suggested in another thread makes some sense:

Posted by djsunyc:

in reality, the OPTIMUM lineup would be this:

marbury, q, jeffries, lee, zach

with crawford, jones, balkman, eddy off the bench.

why? b/c we can pair up steph + zach without them having to step on each other's toes. and pair up jamal/eddy likewise.