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TrueBlue
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12/10/2007  10:02 PM
As the worst display seen by man, woman, or child how is this even possible?


Even though Zach gave us a little better than 23/10 I still feel the tandem of he and EY were outplayed by Erika Dampier and Diop in terms of positive impact on the game. We're trying to be this power team that can't score worth a hill of beans. What gives with the offense. I need some explanations from a few Noteworthy/Insightful loving fans that can explain how I SAY UGH is implementing his scheme.
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12/11/2007  11:42 AM
We added a 23 and 10 player to an offense who's core has been together for 3 years and somehow we got worse. The value of finding players that can adapt and that know how to play is over-rated.
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12/11/2007  11:49 AM
^^^ i think you guys are being WAY too tough on the team, you MUST give the 9-10 yr plan a chance before you chastise like you are....
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12/11/2007  12:35 PM
What Defense???
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12/11/2007  12:41 PM
Posted by buddapaw:

What Defense???

What offense???? Right now we're the 4rth lowest scoring team IN THE NBA. We're scoring 92.8PPG and last yr without the 23/10 beast in Zach we scored 97.5PPG. Now I understand it's the 20th game of the season but what is going on?
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12/11/2007  12:51 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

We added a 23 and 10 player to an offense who's core has been together for 3 years and somehow we got worse. The value of finding players that can adapt and that know how to play is over-rated.

A big part of the problem is Q. Q missing his 3s really hurts because he is often the guy left open and without that threat teams are doubling Curry, who as we know is not the best center in the world at effectively handling double teams. The other problem over the past couple of games has been Randolph missing a bunch of easy shots. He has no lift and on shots that most PF would easily dunk, he tries to flip the ball into the basket and has been off more than expected lately. Not sure what is going on with him but we need him shooting at a higher percentage.

Fred Jones running the point provides more defense, but it also has hurt the offense because he is slow in getting the team into its set and getting the ball in the right hands. Not really his fault b/c he is not a pg, but I think this is another reason our offense cannot seem to score over the past few games.

Bottomline, this team has lost its confidence. There is no way these players should not be able to compete every night. In 8 of the 20 games, we have gotten down by 20 or more points. THat is insane. Kenny Smith mentioned yesterday that no NBA level team should be down that much in so many games. The mental state of this team is poor and until it improves, we are going to continue to see inconsistent play. We really need to find a strong leader to guide this team on the court. Until we can find someone that the other players can really rally behind, this team is going to continue to be a rudderless ship.

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12/11/2007  12:55 PM
marbury "i'm the best"
jamal "budding all star"
zach "20/10"
eddy "bruised never broken"

and the problem is q? coming off back surgery?
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12/11/2007  1:04 PM
We started out the year looking very good on offense. Looked like we could steal some games buy outscoring people which would get us to hover around .500. What happened? It's been a nose dive.
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12/11/2007  1:09 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

marbury "i'm the best"
jamal "budding all star"
zach "20/10"
eddy "bruised never broken"

and the problem is q? coming off back surgery?

You're right. It isn't Q.

It's the fans.
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12/11/2007  1:12 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

marbury "i'm the best"
jamal "budding all star"
zach "20/10"
eddy "bruised never broken"

and the problem is q? coming off back surgery?


yea, the Q bashing is assinine... this guy gives max effort everytime he plays, Now I agree that he is not the starter we need at SF, he would be better suited off the bench, but to hear people blame Q, is just silly...

Adding zach was a mistake, because despite his 23/10 numbers, he takes time from lee who gave us a lot of intangibles, and he takes touches from curry in the post, and the last thing we need is a disinterested curry, he already floats in and out of space enough as it is.. but now, this guy had landed on pluto and shows no signs of comming back!!!
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12/11/2007  1:18 PM
Q doesn't get a pass for shooting 30% cause he's giving maximum effort. That kind of maximum effort is not good enough. 30% is crap.
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12/11/2007  1:26 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

marbury "i'm the best"
jamal "budding all star"
zach "20/10"
eddy "bruised never broken"

and the problem is q? coming off back surgery?

I am certainly not trying to blame the season on Q in a pointed manner b/c I think he is one of the most dedicated players on the team and is simply still hurt. The problem is that we run a simple post-up offense for a large percentage of the game, which requires spacing and solid shooters from the outside. I think our spacing is off alot of times, which is another problem but with Q missing his shots, the defense can sag on Curry, which then hurts Curry's ability to do something with the ball because he has less space to operate and already has problems dealing with double teams. It is a domino effect. The problem more is with IT not recognizing the best lineups.

Obviously, the lack of defense, poor shot selection, and lack of effort also are big factors in why the team is losing, but this team is built to rely on its offense. If it is not scoring, it is not going to win because we don't have the personnel to stop teams on a consistent basis no matter how hard the players tried. So any ineffectiveness on offense hurts this team more than it would a more balanced team.
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12/11/2007  1:27 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by djsunyc:

marbury "i'm the best"
jamal "budding all star"
zach "20/10"
eddy "bruised never broken"

and the problem is q? coming off back surgery?


yea, the Q bashing is assinine... this guy gives max effort everytime he plays, Now I agree that he is not the starter we need at SF, he would be better suited off the bench, but to hear people blame Q, is just silly...

Adding zach was a mistake, because despite his 23/10 numbers, he takes time from lee who gave us a lot of intangibles, and he takes touches from curry in the post, and the last thing we need is a disinterested curry, he already floats in and out of space enough as it is.. but now, this guy had landed on pluto and shows no signs of comming back!!!


No kidding we have a thread on this board claiming Q is the worst player in basketball.... What? Our fan base is so wretched right now. There might be a handful who are identifying what's causing the symptoms, taking the team's pulse accurately, and providing the correct health results while the rest can't provide a prognosis and are misdiagnosing the team on a regular basis.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 12-11-2007 12:28 PM]
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12/11/2007  1:30 PM
i think q stinks.

he's shooting 32% but only taking 8.8 shots a game.

meanwhile the team leader in fga's takes over 15 a game and shoots 39%.

btw, q is 1/10th point a way from being the BEST REBOUNDER in the nba at the SF spot. he's averaging 6.6 while caron has 6.7.

q sucks, but he's part of the problem...but how can we point to that spot when we were supposed to be carried by the other 4 players?
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12/11/2007  1:38 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by djsunyc:

marbury "i'm the best"
jamal "budding all star"
zach "20/10"
eddy "bruised never broken"

and the problem is q? coming off back surgery?


yea, the Q bashing is assinine... this guy gives max effort everytime he plays, Now I agree that he is not the starter we need at SF, he would be better suited off the bench, but to hear people blame Q, is just silly...

Adding zach was a mistake, because despite his 23/10 numbers, he takes time from lee who gave us a lot of intangibles, and he takes touches from curry in the post, and the last thing we need is a disinterested curry, he already floats in and out of space enough as it is.. but now, this guy had landed on pluto and shows no signs of comming back!!!


No kidding we have a thread on this board claiming Q is the worst player in basketball.... What? Our fan base is so wretched right now. There might be a handful who are identifying what's causing the symptoms, taking the team's pulse accurately, and providing the correct health results while the rest can't provide a prognosis and are misdiagnosing the team on a regular basis.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 12-11-2007 12:28 PM]

I agree. And just think about it, Q has to play heavy minutes on a bad back, because our other choices suck(jeffries) or unproven(chandler)...

A lot of fans can't diagnose whats wrong with this team, and you can see it on these forums, blaming Q and lee is just stupid.. these guys are role players, your team is as good as it's best players and so far, you see where we are....
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12/11/2007  1:40 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

i think q stinks.

he's shooting 32% but only taking 8.8 shots a game.

meanwhile the team leader in fga's takes over 15 a game and shoots 39%.

btw, q is 1/10th point a way from being the BEST REBOUNDER in the nba at the SF spot. he's averaging 6.6 while caron has 6.7.

q sucks, but he's part of the problem...but how can we point to that spot when we were supposed to be carried by the other 4 players?


But if the other spots were doing their jobs well, would we even notice how bad Q is shooting? other than lee, who else is excelling at another other facet of the game while they are struggling in other parts... At least Q is excelling at rebounding, if every player could lift his game in 1 area, we would be fine, but they aren't, so I don't see How Q is even part of the problem...
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12/11/2007  1:41 PM
Everyone knows the Knicks have more problems than just one player. There is no prescription for being succesful in the NBA when you have a player in your starting lineup averaging 30 minutes a game, taking 9 shots per game and not even averaging 1 whole free throw (and he's only making that at 59% clip too!). And no, its not the 6+ missed shots that does us in. It's the fact that you don't need to guard this guy and we're playing 4 on 5 on offense. As much as he rebounds or "hustles" he's a chucker that doesn't need be guarded that's not helping the team just the same. And you don't need Patch Adams over here to diagnose that for you.

[Edited by - vdesai on 12-11-2007 1:42 PM]
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Posted by VDesai:

Everyone knows the Knicks have more problems than just one player. There is no prescription for being succesful in the NBA when you have a player in your starting lineup averaging 30 minutes a game, taking 9 shots per game and not even averaging 1 whole free throw (and he's only making that at 59% clip too!). And no, its not the 6+ missed shots that does us in. It's the fact that you don't need to guard this guy and we're playing 4 on 5 on offense. As much as he rebounds or "hustles" he's a chucker that doesn't need be guarded that's not helping the team just the same. And you don't need Patch Adams over here to diagnose that for you.

[Edited by - vdesai on 12-11-2007 1:42 PM]


We have no other options at this point, Q should be comming off the bench, but we don't have anyone who can outplay a guy who is playing badle.. how sad is that.. but replace Q with a guy who can shoot 45%( and isn't a superstar of course) and the knicks are still a 6-14 team..... that is how big the other holes are...
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12/11/2007  1:52 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by djsunyc:

marbury "i'm the best"
jamal "budding all star"
zach "20/10"
eddy "bruised never broken"

and the problem is q? coming off back surgery?


yea, the Q bashing is assinine... this guy gives max effort everytime he plays, Now I agree that he is not the starter we need at SF, he would be better suited off the bench, but to hear people blame Q, is just silly...

Adding zach was a mistake, because despite his 23/10 numbers, he takes time from lee who gave us a lot of intangibles, and he takes touches from curry in the post, and the last thing we need is a disinterested curry, he already floats in and out of space enough as it is.. but now, this guy had landed on pluto and shows no signs of comming back!!!


No kidding we have a thread on this board claiming Q is the worst player in basketball.... What? Our fan base is so wretched right now. There might be a handful who are identifying what's causing the symptoms, taking the team's pulse accurately, and providing the correct health results while the rest can't provide a prognosis and are misdiagnosing the team on a regular basis.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 12-11-2007 12:28 PM]

I agree. And just think about it, Q has to play heavy minutes on a bad back, because our other choices suck(jeffries) or unproven(chandler)...

A lot of fans can't diagnose whats wrong with this team, and you can see it on these forums, blaming Q and lee is just stupid.. these guys are role players, your team is as good as it's best players and so far, you see where we are....


If we could get Paul Bunyan's Ax and chop off 2/4 of the Gang Greene that's killing this team we'd be in a better position. Let's leave the Towel in the ring with the notion that any of those 4 players will start to excel. Dammit 12yr 8yr 7yr 7yr vets are what they are we need to stop thinking these BUMS are going to morph into anything other than what they are.
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12/11/2007  2:01 PM
all I have to say about Q is this: Isiah drafted Lee, Balk, Chandler; signed JJSkinny and traded for Malik.

If Isiah didn't need or want to play Q, he could do it with any of the 5 options he moved on.
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