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King1
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12/10/2007  1:10 PM
You have been one of the biggest supporters for Zach this year. I dont care if someone plays bad but the last two games this guy hasnt even given us an effort. People wonder why Portland was so gross with him and so eager to get rid of him. How long will you support Zach not playing hard?
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12/10/2007  1:39 PM
Man, I didn't think the Zach trade would make the knicks worse I just thought it wouldn't help. because of that I wasn't strongly opposed to it. I think that Zach Randolph is better than curry and I guess I still do. Zach Looked terrible the last two games and if he plays similarly in up coming games I'll have to admit that I was el wrong-o

[Edited by - slimpack on 12-10-2007 1:42 PM]
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12/10/2007  2:38 PM
Zach has bad body language and will mail it in if he thinks the rest of the team has mailed it in. But when he thinks his teammates are giving it their all he gives them back a double-double. Zachs problems are a sympathetic reaction to the teams problems. Zack might have gotten over his grandmothers death, just in time to relive it watching Steph go through the motions. The entire team is lifeless right now and you can't pouint he finger at Zach. When conditions are normal, Zach is a beast. Right now, the entire team is neutered.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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12/10/2007  2:39 PM
Not really fair to point the blame at one player when there's just so much to go around.
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12/10/2007  2:48 PM
Yes, we really can't blame anybody. Our players are victims of their collective circumstances which they themselves have created. Its vicious and cyclical. It will require many years of intensive psychotherapy to resolve this.
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12/10/2007  3:03 PM
He shouldn't have had the Gatorade. It's spiked with loser juice.
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12/10/2007  3:04 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

He shouldn't have had the Gatorade. It's spiked with loser juice.

Apparently he was drinking that gatorade in Portland too then.
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King1
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12/10/2007  3:25 PM
Not blaming him, but the trade effected so many other players on the team. Curry isnt the focal point offensively and he doesnt do anything else well. Lee has no idea what his role is. When he plays 30 minutes he plays well, when he gets 11 minutes he plays like a donkey. I just think we would have been better off with Frye instead of Zach.
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12/10/2007  3:28 PM
Posted by King1:

You have been one of the biggest supporters for Zach this year. I dont care if someone plays bad but the last two games this guy hasnt even given us an effort. People wonder why Portland was so gross with him and so eager to get rid of him. How long will you support Zach not playing hard?


Hey im eating my crow right now. Just when you think things cann't get any worse they do. But if want to talk about effort lets go down the list of horrible efforts combined even worse play. This is a terrible situation for everyone involved. Look when your on a bad team and not just a bad team but when the morale is at a constant rock bottom what you saw Fri and Sat is what you get. There is not one guy on the entire Knicks roster that you can say he is giving a 100% effort in these past 2 games. Unless of course its David Lee .
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12/10/2007  3:28 PM
Posted by King1:

Not blaming him, but the trade effected so many other players on the team. Curry isnt the focal point offensively and he doesnt do anything else well. Lee has no idea what his role is. When he plays 30 minutes he plays well, when he gets 11 minutes he plays like a donkey. I just think we would have been better off with Frye instead of Zach.

In terms of what, wins? I'd highly disagree with that.
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12/10/2007  3:39 PM
to tell you the truth, i blame one thing and one thing only for this disaster...





...HEADBANDS!!!
King1
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12/10/2007  4:08 PM
This team wont play hard and it will get worse before it gets better.
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12/10/2007  4:14 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

to tell you the truth, i blame one thing and one thing only for this disaster...





...HEADBANDS!!!

I think you're onto something.
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12/10/2007  4:30 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by djsunyc:

to tell you the truth, i blame one thing and one thing only for this disaster...





...HEADBANDS!!!

I think you're onto something.


Orange and... black..

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12/10/2007  5:34 PM
Posted by King1:

Not blaming him, but the trade effected so many other players on the team. Curry isnt the focal point offensively and he doesnt do anything else well. Lee has no idea what his role is. When he plays 30 minutes he plays well, when he gets 11 minutes he plays like a donkey. I just think we would have been better off with Frye instead of Zach.

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe last year's numbers for some of our players was a fluke? And the Channing Frye statement is just comical.
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12/10/2007  5:39 PM
It doesn't matter who you bring here. It could be Kobe Bryant. As soon as he takes a swig of the Knicks Gatorade (which is spiked with loser juice) he will start sucking.
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King1
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12/10/2007  7:00 PM
WHat was our record in the first 58 games then Jamal and David and quentin all got hurt? I know we went 4-17 our last 21 games. Having those three we probably could have went 7-10 and add three wins on to our total last year. It isnt about talent it is about chemistry. We are more talented this year and we are getting blasted with regularity.
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12/10/2007  7:03 PM
SO last year if the whole team doesnt go down we get 37 wins I think. According to you bitty since we added a stud in Zach we should win 40 this year without blinking a eye. Lets see how it all plays out I hope your wrong and I am eating crow
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12/10/2007  7:27 PM
Posted by King1:

WHat was our record in the first 58 games then Jamal and David and quentin all got hurt? I know we went 4-17 our last 21 games. Having those three we probably could have went 7-10 and add three wins on to our total last year. It isnt about talent it is about chemistry. We are more talented this year and we are getting blasted with regularity.

Hmmm let me think yup they still sucked last year before the great tragedy of David Lee's injury. Yea pull the blinders over you eyes all you want but the Knicks still sucked. And they sucked when there was a lot of sucking going on umm wait that didn't sound right.

SO last year if the whole team doesnt go down we get 37 wins I think. According to you bitty since we added a stud in Zach we should win 40 this year without blinking a eye. Lets see how it all plays out I hope your wrong and I am eating crow

Okay I don't call anyone a stud anyways I've said repeatedly that this was a bad team and that Zach or anyone else thats not Jesus Christ cannot change the fact that the New York Knicks is a terrible franchise. The sooner that you understand that this is my true message the less time you will spend making silly threads like this. So please move on with your life
King1
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12/10/2007  7:48 PM
I agree we were donkeys last year and losing almost your whole starting lineup the last part of the season caused them to go 4-17 notices I said they would be 7-14 if they would have been healthy not a ringing endorsement. I am saying adding a human being like Zach that averaged 20/10 and one of the best power forwards wouldnt the team be better. All I am saying is we would be better with Frye starting than Zach and at the end of the year you will see that
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