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joec32033
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12/5/2007  9:19 PM
I am NOT saying he is a better player, but I am saying is a a more well rounded player. I know he is only 6-2, but he played the 2 in Indy if I recall correctly.

Do you think he can be a better fit in the starting lineup next to Steph (even though we will be small in the back court)? He is possibly stronger than Jamal also, IMO and is not afraid to get physical. And given Jamal's kind-of-disappointing-but-not-really-disappointing-but-not-as-good-as-we-expected season would Jamal feast on second units?


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12/5/2007  9:26 PM
playing Jamal w/Mardy would make a lot more sense than having 2 small G's in the backcourt... playing Jamal w/Fred Jones is acceptable too if Marbury can't go.
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12/5/2007  9:30 PM
I don't know how he fits the rotation. What I am beginning to realize is that Fred Jones is a better player than I realized before the season.
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12/5/2007  9:33 PM
Posted by TMS:

playing Jamal w/Mardy would make a lot more sense than having 2 small G's in the backcourt... playing Jamal w/Fred Jones is acceptable too if Marbury can't go.

Catch 22. If you are playing Jamal with Mardy, then you are still matching up Marbury and Jones on the 2nd team. The 2nd team could use Jamal's scoring and the first team can use Jones' versatility and all around game. Is having two 6-2 guards starting ideal? No. I would honestly probably rather go with Jamal(PG) and Jones(SG) to start, but we still have Steph to contend with. The rotations I think would work well-incorporating the players we HAVE to deal with, because ideally for me some of these players would be moved to clear up the guard glut and the PF/C thing we have going on, too.:


Zach
Lee
Richardson
Jones
Marbury

Curry(first big off the bench)
Jefferies
Balkman
Jamal(6th man)
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12/5/2007  9:56 PM
People, we can WIN games as long as cancer and fat boy sits out, aren't you watching? Marbury and Curry should get DNPs all the way. We wont make the playoffs but at least we are playing basketball.
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12/5/2007  9:59 PM
i don't mind having a small team as my second unit... many teams do... i don't want to be starting Fred Jones against bigger SG's, & he doesn't give u enough offense to warrant starting him as your SG... i much rather start Jamal at PG cuz he can at least orchestrate... i don't even mind starting Jamal next to Jones either... i just don't like the idea of 2 small G's as our starting backcourt.
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12/5/2007  10:04 PM
You mean Jones ahead of Marbury with Craw that the point?
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12/5/2007  10:05 PM
OK start Jones with Mardy, let Jamal get most backup minutes with Nate providing relief
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12/5/2007  10:14 PM
Posted by VDesai:

You mean Jones ahead of Marbury with Craw that the point?

i mean while Marbury is out, i don't mind having Jamal running the point w/Jones or Mardy as his backcourt mate... when Marbury comes back, obviously he'll be starting again... my ideal situation is having him off the team altogether & letting Jamal run the point as i've said for the longest.
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12/5/2007  10:14 PM
Eeeek anything involving Mardy I reject immediately he's not good to put it kindly
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12/5/2007  10:17 PM
Posted by TMS:

i don't mind having a small team as my second unit... many teams do... i don't want to be starting Fred Jones against bigger SG's, & he doesn't give u enough offense to warrant starting him as your SG... i much rather start Jamal at PG cuz he can at least orchestrate... i don't even mind starting Jamal next to Jones either... i just don't like the idea of 2 small G's as our starting backcourt.

I agree it's not ideal, but if Jamal is not starting at the point for me, I want him off the bench. Just like I think Le at PF and Zach t center isn't ideal, bu is probably a much better fit than what we have now. Zach and Lee, just like Marbury and Jones, is probably, like the saying goes, greater than the sum of it's parts.
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12/5/2007  10:17 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by VDesai:

You mean Jones ahead of Marbury with Craw that the point?

i mean while Marbury is out, i don't mind having Jamal running the point w/Jones or Mardy as his backcourt mate... when Marbury comes back, obviously he'll be starting again... my ideal situation is having him off the team altogether & letting Jamal run the point as i've said for the longest.


I think Jamal is probably the best PG on the team. Whenever he played PG with the 2nd team he always looked like a much different player. He still turns the ball over and makes some undisciplined plays, but he's a playmaker. And I just love that he drives more when he's at PG. 14 trips to the line tonight?
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12/5/2007  10:19 PM
Posted by bitty41:

Eeeek anything involving Mardy I reject immediately he's not good to put it kindly


He needs to get healthy. He's not as bad as he's shown this year, though he's probably not as good as he was down the stretch last year. But once he gets his legs under him again he's a good defensive player and can get into the lane a little. He's gotta start sticking that J though.
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12/5/2007  10:19 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by VDesai:

You mean Jones ahead of Marbury with Craw that the point?

i mean while Marbury is out, i don't mind having Jamal running the point w/Jones or Mardy as his backcourt mate... when Marbury comes back, obviously he'll be starting again... my ideal situation is having him off the team altogether & letting Jamal run the point as i've said for the longest.

I 100% agree with this, but as you said, once Steph comes back, he will be starting again. Jamal and Steph in the back court are mismatched. Besides, what good is being 6-5 when you're not going to defend? What good is it when you're not strong enough to muscle anyone off the ball?

Not ideal, but a better fit, IMHO.

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12/5/2007  10:20 PM
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by bitty41:

Eeeek anything involving Mardy I reject immediately he's not good to put it kindly


He needs to get healthy. He's not as bad as he's shown this year, though he's probably not as good as he was down the stretch last year. But once he gets his legs under him again he's a good defensive player and can get into the lane a little. He's gotta start sticking that J though.

I think he moves like he has cement for legs and his defense maybe but against a good player in this league he just doesn't have the talent to matchup
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12/5/2007  10:23 PM
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by bitty41:

Eeeek anything involving Mardy I reject immediately he's not good to put it kindly


He needs to get healthy. He's not as bad as he's shown this year, though he's probably not as good as he was down the stretch last year. But once he gets his legs under him again he's a good defensive player and can get into the lane a little. He's gotta start sticking that J though.

I think he moves like he has cement for legs and his defense maybe but against a good player in this league he just doesn't have the talent to matchup

I'm going by what I saw when he was at Temple, but he has sneaky quicks. I think the injury and some nerves effected his play this year. He sorta got that starting spot after getting no PT and after he had just come back. He was all out of whack. I think its worth it to ease him back in as a matchup guy for defense.
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12/5/2007  10:23 PM
The guy that Jones should play ahead of Q. One of Isiah's biggest mistake was playing Mardy over Jones when Marbury was benched.
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12/5/2007  10:49 PM
Posted by VDesai:
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You mean Jones ahead of Marbury with Craw that the point?

i mean while Marbury is out, i don't mind having Jamal running the point w/Jones or Mardy as his backcourt mate... when Marbury comes back, obviously he'll be starting again... my ideal situation is having him off the team altogether & letting Jamal run the point as i've said for the longest.


I think Jamal is probably the best PG on the team. Whenever he played PG with the 2nd team he always looked like a much different player. He still turns the ball over and makes some undisciplined plays, but he's a playmaker. And I just love that he drives more when he's at PG. 14 trips to the line tonight?

no doubt in my mind that he is... i think he & Curry have a nice chemistry, & he has the ability to make plays off the dribble whether that's to get a score or to dish an alley oop to the bigmen downlow... he plays so much more in control when he's orchestrating the offense as we all saw when LB was here too... 14 trips to the line is huge for Jamal... & like another poster said, him & Marbs in the backcourt are mismatched cuz neither plays any real defense & both like to have the ball in their hands to be effective... this is why i want Marbury outta here ASAP (along w/all his other baggage obviously)... put Jamal next to a defensive minded G in the backcourt who can play off the ball & knock down a few open shots when presented to him... that's the ideal in my view.
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12/5/2007  10:53 PM
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Posted by VDesai:
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Posted by VDesai:

You mean Jones ahead of Marbury with Craw that the point?

i mean while Marbury is out, i don't mind having Jamal running the point w/Jones or Mardy as his backcourt mate... when Marbury comes back, obviously he'll be starting again... my ideal situation is having him off the team altogether & letting Jamal run the point as i've said for the longest.


I think Jamal is probably the best PG on the team. Whenever he played PG with the 2nd team he always looked like a much different player. He still turns the ball over and makes some undisciplined plays, but he's a playmaker. And I just love that he drives more when he's at PG. 14 trips to the line tonight?

no doubt in my mind that he is... i think he & Curry have a nice chemistry, & he has the ability to make plays off the dribble whether that's to get a score or to dish an alley oop to the bigmen downlow... he plays so much more in control when he's orchestrating the offense as we all saw when LB was here too... 14 trips to the line is huge for Jamal... & like another poster said, him & Marbs in the backcourt are mismatched cuz neither plays any real defense & both like to have the ball in their hands to be effective... this is why i want Marbury outta here ASAP (along w/all his other baggage obviously)... put Jamal next to a defensive minded G in the backcourt who can play off the ball & knock down a few open shots when presented to him... that's the ideal in my view.

Our views are very similar, TMS.

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12/5/2007  11:11 PM
i think a Curry for Devin Harris & filler trade or something to that effect to bring us that type of player would do wonders for this organization... we'd finally have frontcourt & backcourt balance, & we would only need to address the issue of obtaining a shotblocking presence.
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