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TLover
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12/2/2007  10:51 PM
Its clear that both these players are better if they have a shot blocking defensive player next to them. Knicks are trying to make Curry into that player but its just not gonna happen.

To be honest I wouldn't mind trading Curry back to the Bulls for the 2 picks we gave up for him in Thomas & Noah. They are 2 young guys who don't need to score just defend & rebound. The offense would then revolve around Randolph.

A trade for Dalembert or Chandler would be nice too. Either one of those two players would look good next to Randolph.

Hopefully in the draft the Knicks get a player like OJ Majo and the the Knicks would have a bright future ahead.

Of course there would some baggage left but trading Curry for some good young players would be a start....
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12/2/2007  10:56 PM
Don't want Mayo and Zach has to goooooooooooo
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12/3/2007  12:19 AM
no one's gonna take Zach off our hands... the best way to make sense of that trade now is to trade Curry... ridiculous that we have to make a trade to make sense of another trade... most GM's make moves that make sense for the players they already have, but this is not the NY way apparently.
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12/3/2007  12:28 AM
Posted by TMS:

no one's gonna take Zach off our hands... the best way to make sense of that trade now is to trade Curry... ridiculous that we have to make a trade to make sense of another trade... most GM's make moves that make sense for the players they already have, but this is not the NY way apparently.

make a trade to make sense of another trade that made sense to make sense of another trade that made sense to make sense of another trade that made sense to make sense of another trade that made sense to make sense of another trade for Stephan Murbury....
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12/3/2007  12:36 AM
Good C's are harder to come by than PF's. Zach is just fool's gold.
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12/3/2007  5:22 AM
And Eddy's fool's silver
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12/3/2007  9:51 AM
Can we please face facts? No one or two trades will change what the other players are.

We need to dump our entire starting five. They're all garbage. Some of our bench also needs to be dumped.

By the time you're done with it all you're keeping are a few kids with some potential.


This thing needs to be entirely stripped down. There is no fixing it any other way.
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12/3/2007  9:54 AM
No moves should be made until Isiah is gone.

Why should the Knicks improve the mess he created ?
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12/3/2007  10:05 AM
Its funny how EVERYONE knew trading for Zach was a mistake. Escept for Isiah, a few fans, and a few of the same misguided players who have no concept of what a TEAM is.

Zach is nothing more than a heavier Shareef Abduhr Rahim. A player who puts up great numbers, but ALWAYS on losing team. Not unlike Stephon. Just another horrible move in a series of horrible moves by the James Dolan/Scott Layden/Isiah Thomas almost decade of burying the Knicks team.
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12/3/2007  10:08 AM
Interesting to note, our starting lineup features one player with no college experience, 3 with only 1 year, and the last guy with only 2. And we wonder sometimes why we don't have a had on the court or why we can't play team ball.

Add that to the fact that they've mostly played in losing situations and its easy to see why they can't figure out why they can't get it together. Zach doesn't know anything but to shoot. Curry never learned to pass. Jamal never learned discipline. Steph has never learned not to be the man.

Q...well he just sucks, but that's besides the point.
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12/3/2007  10:52 PM
lee would be and easier and more logical person to move
bringing in morris a better shot blocker and post presense
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12/3/2007  11:15 PM
I can't believe there are people who actually want to keep them. Both have to go ASAP. Actually the entire team has to go, but that is a story for another thread. This crappy season is attributed to all the fans who orgasmed all over themselves when we acquired Marbury, Crawful, Curry and yes even Zach Randolph. It is your summer time glee over the past 4 years, the short term optimism, and support of Isiah which has fostered this out of control never ending pursuit of the 8th seed. I'm just pissed off that it's taken until now to hear serious calls for Isiah's head and the booing of Marbury.

Curry and Randolph both have to go because they aren't winners and they aren't likable players to follow. Period. End of Story.

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12/3/2007  11:48 PM
Curry, Lee and Zach are not the problem once again you guys fail to watch the Knicks play and fail to identify the problem with the Knicks. Have you guys see the Knicks perimeter players this year. Crawford shooting .399%, Q-rich shooting 31% Nate 37%, Mardy god knows how bad he is, Believe it or not marbury is the best of the bunch at 42%. The team as a whole is shooting about 43%. Now you want to trade Curry go ahead he is shooting 57% now take that away where would the Knicks be maybe shooting 40% as a team. Zach is shooting .438 now he could stand to increase that fg% Lee is a high fg% guy because he can only shoot from 5 ft. in. a respectable 49%. Once again people the problem is with the inconstency of Isiah and the perimeter players.

What I would like to see is some new players on the team but that is rarely done in the NBA and Curry contrary to what you guys think is highly coveted by team in the NBA. I like the rotation of Lee, Curry and Zach they need to keep that going. The Knicks need to get Crawford out of the lineup and get him maybe 20-25 minutes a game because he is logging high minutes and his production isn't that good in close to 39 minutes a game. Get Mardy in there and make him a defense first player and give him play making roles. Tell Marbury to be Starbury. Next move is to get Balkman more minutes and get him playing a defense first high octane type of play. this will be good for fast breaks. Tell Marbury, Curry and Zach you are the big three make it happen. They shoulde put up close to 20 a game each of them.

Starting lineup:
Marbury g
Mardy g
Curry c
Zach pf
Balkman sf

Bench

Lee
Crawford
Q-Rich
Nate
Jones
Jefferies

We all want trades but its really difficult to get anything done in the NBA to many barriers for trades to happen especially after the season starts.
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12/4/2007  12:03 AM
Posted by Cosmic:

Can we please face facts? No one or two trades will change what the other players are.

We need to dump our entire starting five. They're all garbage. Some of our bench also needs to be dumped.

By the time you're done with it all you're keeping are a few kids with some potential.


This thing needs to be entirely stripped down. There is no fixing it any other way.

exactly. the problem with this team are that the players deficiencies can't be covered up by the other players because they are also lacking in so many areas..

For instance, you can't have balkman and lee on the floor with zach and curry, because of the dump down effect.. We dump the ball to zach and curry and stand around, well since lee and balkman can't shoot and the same for jeffries, this renders them useless, they are slashers, need to be in a system where there is ball movement, which leads to cuts to the basket and weakside rebounds....

Then if you sit curry and zach, we are left with a perimeter team, with the offense dominated by marbury and crawford, those two don't really have an idea of what a motion offense is..

Ok, so we keep in marbury, and mix and match them with balkman, lee and curry.. The problem is, still no outside shooting and lack of defense..

anyway you mix this team, there are no combinations it seems where you can have defense and offense on the floor at the same time..

this is a sad situation..
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12/4/2007  12:10 AM
that makes no sense
you're basically saying none of the starting five belong on a starting lne up
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12/4/2007  12:31 AM
Posted by Siar617:

that makes no sense
you're basically saying none of the starting five belong on a starting lne up

no, I am not saying that. what I am saying is that we don't have enough players, or enough of the right players to make up a winning starting 5.

[Edited by - tkf on 04-12-2007 12:32 AM]

[Edited by - tkf on 04-12-2007 12:32 AM]
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12/4/2007  1:14 AM
they need to enfuse to defensive players that dominate the game
artest morris chandler balkman
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12/4/2007  8:40 AM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by Cosmic:

Can we please face facts? No one or two trades will change what the other players are.

We need to dump our entire starting five. They're all garbage. Some of our bench also needs to be dumped.

By the time you're done with it all you're keeping are a few kids with some potential.


This thing needs to be entirely stripped down. There is no fixing it any other way.

exactly. the problem with this team are that the players deficiencies can't be covered up by the other players because they are also lacking in so many areas..

For instance, you can't have balkman and lee on the floor with zach and curry, because of the dump down effect.. We dump the ball to zach and curry and stand around, well since lee and balkman can't shoot and the same for jeffries, this renders them useless, they are slashers, need to be in a system where there is ball movement, which leads to cuts to the basket and weakside rebounds....

Then if you sit curry and zach, we are left with a perimeter team, with the offense dominated by marbury and crawford, those two don't really have an idea of what a motion offense is..

Ok, so we keep in marbury, and mix and match them with balkman, lee and curry.. The problem is, still no outside shooting and lack of defense..

anyway you mix this team, there are no combinations it seems where you can have defense and offense on the floor at the same time..

this is a sad situation..

That's the point right there. No one, two, or even three new attainable players will cause Eddy to play defense and with passion, will stop Crawford from chucking and play defense, will turn zach from Mo Taylor into Chris Webber, give Balk and Lee and Mardy jump shots. It's just not going to happen it's not how things work.

In order for any one of our five starters to look good we'd have to trade four of the five starters and put four brand new two-way team oriented players around any 1 of the 5 remaining starters. Only then will they look good.

Again, in other words, there is no fix anymore, it just has to be torn down completely.
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12/4/2007  8:53 AM
Alright, look, I'm no great fan of Zach's, but he is a far cry from Mo Taylor.
He might be a black hole like Mo, but he's a lot more productive.
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12/4/2007  9:30 AM
Posted by Panos:

Alright, look, I'm no great fan of Zach's, but he is a far cry from Mo Taylor.
He might be a black hole like Mo, but he's a lot more productive.

Not really....he's just a glorified version of Mo. He's a different person and he is more skilled but he has the same effect on a game and a team overall.
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