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holfresh
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12/2/2007  1:25 PM
I know much has been made of DLee's play and the minutes he gets this year...Some has even speculated that he is playing hurt...He clearly isn't playing with the same energy and drive this year...I don't care who is in the lineup but he doesn't get a pass to give us his half arse effort...Has this guy quit only a few games into the season???....Yes, I'm going there...



[Edited by - holfresh on 12-02-2007 1:26 PM]
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12/2/2007  1:34 PM
I have also wondered about this, he's getting beat on rebounds alot almost Fyrelike
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12/2/2007  1:38 PM
He just doesn't seem to have that same energy, and I don't think he's still hurt. I get the feeling he's a little bitter about not getting playing time when there are guys ahead of him giving half assed efforts. First it was Frye, now it's Curry/Randolph/Q.

So the question is: What's Eating David Lee?
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12/2/2007  1:41 PM
I don't know what it is. After the first couple of games, I thought it was too early to say anything was wrong with him, but now its clear that something is up with him.

I wanted to say it was physical because he isn't getting up there like he used to and he does seem to be trying. Maybe he has gained too much weight, I really don't know what it is. David has a good head on his shoulders though and is a hard worker, so I hope he figures it out.
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12/2/2007  1:45 PM
He misses Channing.
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12/2/2007  1:47 PM
Whatever it is, he looks pretty bad. We have an awful front court (and an even worse back court)
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12/2/2007  2:10 PM
Isiah is destroying his confidence, it's not the right system, it's Shandon Anderson's fault.
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12/2/2007  2:52 PM
I think a lot of people forget one thing about David Lee and that is, he was taken with the 30th pick!! Coming out of college he was projected as a role player, nothing special. But I find it unbelievably hilarious when I see people blaming Lee for what is wrong with us. I like Lee. I like him for the energy he brings. What I don't like about Lee is that all he does is concentrate on rebounding and in doing so, forgets about playing defense. That makes him a limited role player. We have lots of those and that is why we suck. At least we didn't trade 2 unprotected picks for him and, most importantly, he has a itty bitty contract along with trade value.
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12/2/2007  2:58 PM
Posted by majorleads:

I think a lot of people forget one thing about David Lee and that is, he was taken with the 30th pick!! Coming out of college he was projected as a role player, nothing special. But I find it unbelievably hilarious when I see people blaming Lee for what is wrong with us.
I've seen people do this a lot. There seems to be an assumption on this board that if you say something negative about a player, it means you're saying that player is entirely to blame for the team's record. Someone made this assumption in the Zach thread too. I don't get it.
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12/2/2007  3:03 PM
I think he knows that this team right now does not have his best interest at heart, and so he is not giving his top effort on the court.

The style of play that we are missing from Lee is the style of play that will get him injured. Lee must have thought about this alot after he got injured last year. When the knicks went and got Randolph to play in front of him, he must have decided he wasn't going to play with that same reckless abandon. I don't blame him. Why should he break his ass for 15-20 minutes a game when it was made fairly clear to him that both Randolph and Curry were going to be playing major minutes in front of him, regardless of how he performed. Of course, that may change now, with Curry possibly seeing more bench time. It will be interesting to see how Lee will respond to this.

That being said, his rebounding rate is still pretty good, and he has shown some more moves in the post over last year. I think his ft% is up as well.
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12/2/2007  3:10 PM
I see Lee still hustling and playing hard. Quitting? Let me know when he starts wearing towels over his head, laughing out loud during blow outs, and faking shoulder spasms.
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12/2/2007  3:11 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by majorleads:

I think a lot of people forget one thing about David Lee and that is, he was taken with the 30th pick!! Coming out of college he was projected as a role player, nothing special. But I find it unbelievably hilarious when I see people blaming Lee for what is wrong with us.
I've seen people do this a lot. There seems to be an assumption on this board that if you say something negative about a player, it means you're saying that player is entirely to blame for the team's record. Someone made this assumption in the Zach thread too. I don't get it.

No player is entirely to blame, I think everyone at this point realizes it's a collective "effort" of ineptitude that has killed us. But I really do find it funny, especially what I have read over at realgm seeing some fans criticizing David Lee. My point is, how the hell can you criticize the 30th pick in the draft who makes peanuts? David Lee's value equals his contract. Who you need to blame is Isiah, because Isiah is the one who has stocked our team with players not equaling their contracts. That leaves us with a highly inflexible team with not a lot of options to improve.

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12/2/2007  3:24 PM
Posted by majorleads:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by majorleads:

I think a lot of people forget one thing about David Lee and that is, he was taken with the 30th pick!! Coming out of college he was projected as a role player, nothing special. But I find it unbelievably hilarious when I see people blaming Lee for what is wrong with us.
I've seen people do this a lot. There seems to be an assumption on this board that if you say something negative about a player, it means you're saying that player is entirely to blame for the team's record. Someone made this assumption in the Zach thread too. I don't get it.

No player is entirely to blame, I think everyone at this point realizes it's a collective "effort" of ineptitude that has killed us. But I really do find it funny, especially what I have read over at realgm seeing some fans criticizing David Lee. My point is, how the hell can you criticize the 30th pick in the draft who makes peanuts? David Lee's value equals his contract. Who you need to blame is Isiah, because Isiah is the one who has stocked our team with players not equaling their contracts. That leaves us with a highly inflexible team with not a lot of options to improve.

Contract size and where you are picked have nothing to do with the effort you give...Signing a contract means you agree to give effort no matter what...If anything he should be playing harder to get paid when his contract is up...He can't let what's happening around him affect his game and his future...One thing people like about Lee is the effort he brings night in and night out...Now he doesn't have to because he is the 30th pick and hasn't sign the big contract yet??
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12/2/2007  3:32 PM
Posted by Cash:

I think he knows that this team right now does not have his best interest at heart, and so he is not giving his top effort on the court.

The style of play that we are missing from Lee is the style of play that will get him injured. Lee must have thought about this alot after he got injured last year. When the knicks went and got Randolph to play in front of him, he must have decided he wasn't going to play with that same reckless abandon. I don't blame him. Why should he break his ass for 15-20 minutes a game when it was made fairly clear to him that both Randolph and Curry were going to be playing major minutes in front of him, regardless of how he performed. Of course, that may change now, with Curry possibly seeing more bench time. It will be interesting to see how Lee will respond to this.

That being said, his rebounding rate is still pretty good, and he has shown some more moves in the post over last year. I think his ft% is up as well.

He should break his ass because thats what he s paid good money to do, and if he doesnt do that he has nothing else to add to this team.

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12/2/2007  4:03 PM
Lee hasn't quit on you, but he has quit on his jumper.
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12/2/2007  4:06 PM
On a team with few players I like, I like Lee and Balkman. But as I said last year, the moment they start feeling they're too good for this team, dogging it and start chirping they've gotten away from what I liked about them, and they can pack their bags.

I have great sympathy for any player who wants to be on a hardworking team that cares, yet finds themselves stuck here. And a mistake or two can be forgiven if they are otherwise diligent and committed, but there are generally no exceptions to playing like you care.
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12/2/2007  4:47 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by majorleads:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by majorleads:

I think a lot of people forget one thing about David Lee and that is, he was taken with the 30th pick!! Coming out of college he was projected as a role player, nothing special. But I find it unbelievably hilarious when I see people blaming Lee for what is wrong with us.
I've seen people do this a lot. There seems to be an assumption on this board that if you say something negative about a player, it means you're saying that player is entirely to blame for the team's record. Someone made this assumption in the Zach thread too. I don't get it.

No player is entirely to blame, I think everyone at this point realizes it's a collective "effort" of ineptitude that has killed us. But I really do find it funny, especially what I have read over at realgm seeing some fans criticizing David Lee. My point is, how the hell can you criticize the 30th pick in the draft who makes peanuts? David Lee's value equals his contract. Who you need to blame is Isiah, because Isiah is the one who has stocked our team with players not equaling their contracts. That leaves us with a highly inflexible team with not a lot of options to improve.

Contract size and where you are picked have nothing to do with the effort you give...Signing a contract means you agree to give effort no matter what...If anything he should be playing harder to get paid when his contract is up...He can't let what's happening around him affect his game and his future...One thing people like about Lee is the effort he brings night in and night out...Now he doesn't have to because he is the 30th pick and hasn't sign the big contract yet??


Well first of all, he's not playing the same amount of minutes he played in the past. Secondly, a lot of the time he's out of position because of Zach. Third, when he's in the game with Zach, he's not at his normal position and also has to contend with Zach's selfish fat head and negative energy camped under the hoop. As for energy, the ENTIRE team is devoid of energy. That is why we need LEADERSHIP ON THE COURT, namely from the jerk at point guard.
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12/2/2007  5:08 PM
Sounds like more excuses to me...



[Edited by - holfresh on 12-02-2007 5:09 PM]
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12/2/2007  5:31 PM
nope, he hasn't.
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12/2/2007  6:37 PM
Maybe Lee should show up to late to games and practice, fly home because he isnt playing and quit on his team. Maybe that will get him more playing time. I really cant see how you can judge him the last three games he played 11 minutes had 6 rebounds had 5 rebounds in the last 5 minutes of the game the other night and played terrible in Boston. He is a non factor on this team
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