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11/27/2007  6:16 PM
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A New Big Man in the Big Apple

By Lauren Brill

Nov. 27, 2007 -- Since the season began the media has swarmed the Knicks' locker room, questioning the team about their ability to win, their team chemistry and the status of their current roster. While New York is off to a 4-9 start, the performance thus far of newly acquired Zach Randolph provides the struggling squad with hope.

He missed three games following his grandmother's death and the Knickerbockers dropped all three match ups. Despite his short absence the Portland import has already registered eight double-doubles this season,



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averaging 18.6 points and 12.5 rebounds, nearly five rebounds per game above his career average. Dominating the boards, Randolph currently ranks sixth in the league in rebounds per game.

Prior to the season, many expressed concern about Randolph teaming up with the Knicks' big man, Eddy Curry. Worried their roles would overlap, Randolph and Curry have proved they can both play in blue and orange, as Curry is currently averaging 17.9 points and 6.3 rebounds. Both stats are above his career averages and only slightly below last year's numbers. Offensively, the combination of the two big men can be lethal, but if the duo is off, coach Isiah Thomas often utilizes former Florida Gator, David Lee to provide a spark off the bench.

While the team as a whole could improve on defense, Randolph has given New York a boost in the front court. In Monday night's 113-109 win over the Jazz, Randolph had a solid performance with a season-best 25 points and 14 rebounds. Scoring and rebounding for New York, Randolph has proved he can compliment the play of teammate Eddy Curry, whose offensive efficiency has not significantly been affected by the arrival of Randolph. Repeatedly posting double-doubles, the seventh year vet appears to have been a suitable choice for the Big Apple and will be key as the team moves forward seeking more victories.
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11/27/2007  6:53 PM
One aspect of Zack's addition to the lineup I like is that he isn't afraid to take the shot in crunch time....Steph renewed aggressiveness and Zack's confidence gives the Knicks something they have been missing for some time...Craw always took the last shot in those situations but I'm not sure he wanted that shot as much as Zack does...

Zack has hit some big shots and grabbed some important boards thus far...Getting Curry more active on the defensive end and on the boards can take this team to the next level...I hope what we saw the last two games continues...
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11/27/2007  7:09 PM
Wow, after reading this article you'd never guess we were 4-9!
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11/27/2007  9:48 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Wow, after reading this article you'd never guess we were 4-9!

Well its about time to fall back a little and just see what happens.

Im still pissed about the whole isiah and marbs fiasco and the 8 game losing streak......but if we can burn for 4 seasons what's a few games? Lets see what happens man......sigh*
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11/28/2007  11:45 AM
So far I haven't had much to complain about him overall. I would not have paired him with this frontcourt but I'm not going to kill the guy for his play. He's been solid in most aspects that don't include defense and/or passing.
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11/28/2007  11:48 AM
He seems to get the ball stripped/stolen a lot. Has that always been the case, or is it a trust issue with his teammates (or anxiousness?)

[Edited by - basketballjones on 11-28-2007 11:48]
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11/28/2007  12:26 PM
I've only seen him play a few times before he became a Knick. I vaguely remember it happening to him in the game I watched. For some reason I remember the Knicks coming with the immediate DT and him doing what he does now, driving anyway.
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11/28/2007  1:38 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Wow, after reading this article you'd never guess we were 4-9!

After reading that article, you wouldn't need to guess we're 4-9. It says so.
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11/28/2007  3:56 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

So far I haven't had much to complain about him overall. I would not have paired him with this frontcourt but I'm not going to kill the guy for his play. He's been solid in most aspects that don't include defense and/or passing.

i really don't like how he dribbles too much & gets stripped of the ball so easily when he makes his move to the basket... he's like Ewing in his last few days as a Knick almost... the only points i see him score are on long distance jumpers & offensive putbacks... i haven't seen Zach really do much in the low post that would suggest he's the guy we can run our offense through going forward... i think Curry is a lot more dominant an offensive low post threat than he is just because of his sheer size & brute strength to gain position... the problem w/Eddy is his defense & shotblocking is just not there, so if we could get a player that filled those holes, i'd rather we held onto Eddy & traded Zach, but obviously the opposite is a lot likelier to happen because of the contracts involved.
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11/28/2007  4:00 PM
Agree. So far I think Zach has played well and he's a good piece. Maybe he doesn't fit on this team, but he's still a good piece.

That being said, I'm still waiting to see what legal or character trouble he gets himself into in NY. I'm hoping that the bull hasn't been let loose in the china shop, but we'll see.
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Posted by Solace:

Agree. So far I think Zach has played well and he's a good piece. Maybe he doesn't fit on this team, but he's still a good piece.

That being said, I'm still waiting to see what legal or character trouble he gets himself into in NY. I'm hoping that the bull hasn't been let loose in the china shop, but we'll see.

That is the main question with Zach. Let's hope growing older and learning from experience helps him get his life under control.
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11/28/2007  4:04 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bippity10:

So far I haven't had much to complain about him overall. I would not have paired him with this frontcourt but I'm not going to kill the guy for his play. He's been solid in most aspects that don't include defense and/or passing.

i really don't like how he dribbles too much & gets stripped of the ball so easily when he makes his move to the basket... he's like Ewing in his last few days as a Knick almost... the only points i see him score are on long distance jumpers & offensive putbacks... i haven't seen Zach really do much in the low post that would suggest he's the guy we can run our offense through going forward... i think Curry is a lot more dominant an offensive low post threat than he is just because of his sheer size & brute strength to gain position... the problem w/Eddy is his defense & shotblocking is just not there, so if we could get a player that filled those holes, i'd rather we held onto Eddy & traded Zach, but obviously the opposite is a lot likelier to happen because of the contracts involved.

I don't disagree with you. Outside of him being a black hole and a poor defender I can't kill his play. He's played hard, he hits the boards and has made a couple big shots. The issue is that he and Eddie aren't a natural pair together as we all know. This magnifies some of Zach's weaknessess. Let's face it. Both Zach and Eddie are very good offensive players that are very, very difficult to build around. They just don't do enough things well unfortunately. That being said I'm not going to kill Zach for his game. He's given us a pretty good effort(if you ignore the D, which is not important of course)
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11/28/2007  4:15 PM
He's currently the best player on the team and that's not saying much.
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11/28/2007  4:16 PM
i can't kill him cuz the guy does battle for rebounds down low... but he also doesn't hustle back on defense & that does speak to lack of effort at times also... maybe his lack of low post efficiency is due to Curry's presence in the lane too, so he's resorting to taking those longrange jumpers more this year which has negatively effected his shooting %... either way, i pretty much know this frontcourt ain't gonna work... we gotta trade 1 of those guys & get ourselves a defensive shotblocker who can play off the ball... we need to set & define clear roles for everyone on this team... right now, no one knows what even their role is or what they're supposed to be doing on the floor... after several years together u figure they would at least have gotten some hint of where they're supposed to be on the floor & where they're supposed to move to in certain situations... it's pretty ridiculous.
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Posted by TMS:

i can't kill him cuz the guy does battle for rebounds down low... but he also doesn't hustle back on defense & that does speak to lack of effort at times also... maybe his lack of low post efficiency is due to Curry's presence in the lane too, so he's resorting to taking those longrange jumpers more this year which has negatively effected his shooting %... either way, i pretty much know this frontcourt ain't gonna work... we gotta trade 1 of those guys & get ourselves a defensive shotblocker who can play off the ball... we need to set & define clear roles for everyone on this team... right now, no one knows what even their role is or what they're supposed to be doing on the floor... after several years together u figure they would at least have gotten some hint of where they're supposed to be on the floor & where they're supposed to move to in certain situations... it's pretty ridiculous.

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11/28/2007  4:34 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

I've only seen him play a few times before he became a Knick. I vaguely remember it happening to him in the game I watched. For some reason I remember the Knicks coming with the immediate DT and him doing what he does now, driving anyway.

I was curious about the turnover thing, so I grabbed the stats from nba.com. He didn't have many turnovers the first couple of years, but he didn't play much either.

He had fewer to's in the 04-05 and 05-06 seasons. Since then, the numbers have crept back up.

I'm not sure what's normal for his position. For comparison, I grabbed Shawn Marion's numbers. He has a lower average number of turnover than Zach. Is it fair to compare these two?

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Career Season Averages
	
Year 	Team 	G 	GS 	MPG 	FG% 	3P% 	FT% 	OFF 	DEF 	RPG 	APG 	SPG 	BPG 	TO 	PF 	PPG
01-02 	POR 	41 	0 	5.8 	0.449 	0.000 	0.667 	0.8 	0.9 	1.7 	0.3 	0.2 	0.1 	0.37 	0.70 	2.8
02-03 	POR 	77 	11 	16.9 	0.513 	0.000 	0.758 	1.8 	2.6 	4.5 	0.5 	0.6 	0.2 	0.81 	1.80 	8.4
03-04 	POR 	81 	80 	37.9 	0.485 	0.200 	0.761 	3.0 	7.5 	10.5 	2.0 	0.8 	0.5 	3.05 	2.80 	20.1
04-05 	POR 	46 	37 	34.8 	0.448 	0.000 	0.815 	3.1 	6.5 	9.6 	1.9 	0.7 	0.4 	2.43 	2.40 	18.9
05-06 	POR 	74 	71 	34.4 	0.436 	0.291 	0.714 	2.6 	5.4 	8.0 	1.9 	0.8 	0.2 	2.23 	2.50 	18.0
06-07 	POR 	68 	67 	35.7 	0.467 	0.292 	0.819 	2.9 	7.2 	10.1 	2.2 	0.8 	0.2 	3.16 	2.70 	23.6
07-08 	NYK 	10 	10 	33.9 	0.442 	0.000 	0.618 	4.1 	8.4 	12.5 	1.3 	0.9 	0.1 	3.90 	2.90 	18.6
Career 	-- 	397 	276 	29.0 	0.465 	0.261 	0.770 	2.5 	5.3 	7.8 	1.5 	0.7 	0.2 	2.15 	2.30 	16.1

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Career Season Averages
	
Year 	Team 	G 	GS 	MPG 	FG% 	3P% 	FT% 	OFF 	DEF 	RPG 	APG 	SPG 	BPG 	TO 	PF 	PPG
99-00 	PHO 	51 	38 	24.7 	0.471 	0.182 	0.847 	2.1 	4.5 	6.5 	1.4 	0.8 	1.0 	1.00 	2.20 	10.2
00-01 	PHO 	79 	79 	36.2 	0.480 	0.256 	0.810 	2.8 	7.9 	10.7 	2.0 	1.7 	1.4 	1.63 	2.70 	17.3
01-02 	PHO 	81 	81 	38.4 	0.469 	0.393 	0.845 	2.6 	7.3 	9.9 	2.0 	1.8 	1.1 	1.78 	2.60 	19.1
02-03 	PHO 	81 	81 	41.6 	0.452 	0.387 	0.851 	2.5 	7.1 	9.5 	2.4 	2.3 	1.2 	1.94 	2.60 	21.2
03-04 	PHO 	79 	79 	40.7 	0.440 	0.340 	0.851 	2.7 	6.6 	9.3 	2.7 	2.1 	1.3 	1.97 	2.60 	19.0
04-05 	PHO 	81 	81 	38.8 	0.476 	0.334 	0.833 	2.9 	8.4 	11.3 	1.9 	2.0 	1.5 	1.54 	2.50 	19.4
05-06 	PHX 	81 	81 	40.3 	0.525 	0.331 	0.809 	3.1 	8.8 	11.8 	1.8 	2.0 	1.7 	1.54 	2.80 	21.8
06-07 	PHX 	80 	80 	37.6 	0.524 	0.317 	0.810 	2.2 	7.7 	9.8 	1.7 	2.0 	1.5 	1.43 	2.70 	17.5
07-08 	PHX 	14 	14 	37.1 	0.505 	0.265 	0.652 	2.3 	9.4 	11.7 	1.1 	2.3 	1.2 	1.36 	2.40 	16.8
Career 	-- 	627 	614 	37.9 	0.479 	0.340 	0.826 	2.6 	7.5 	10.1 	2.0 	1.9 	1.3 	1.63 	2.60 	18.5


[Edited by - basketballjones on 11-28-2007 16:35]
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11/28/2007  4:40 PM
I guess I should compare Zach to another power forward. How about Rasheed Wallace?

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Year 	Team 	G 	GS 	MPG 	FG% 	3P% 	FT% 	OFF 	DEF 	RPG 	APG 	SPG 	BPG 	TO 	PF 	PPG
95-96 	WAS 	65 	51 	27.5 	0.487 	0.329 	0.650 	1.4 	3.2 	4.7 	1.3 	0.6 	0.8 	1.58 	3.20 	10.1
96-97 	POR 	62 	56 	30.5 	0.558 	0.273 	0.638 	2.0 	4.8 	6.8 	1.2 	0.8 	0.9 	1.84 	3.20 	15.1
97-98 	POR 	77 	77 	37.6 	0.533 	0.205 	0.662 	1.7 	4.5 	6.2 	2.5 	1.0 	1.1 	2.17 	3.50 	14.6
98-99 	POR 	49 	18 	28.9 	0.508 	0.419 	0.732 	1.2 	3.8 	4.9 	1.2 	1.0 	1.1 	1.63 	3.60 	12.8
99-00 	POR 	81 	77 	35.1 	0.519 	0.160 	0.704 	1.6 	5.4 	7.0 	1.8 	1.1 	1.3 	1.94 	2.70 	16.4
00-01 	POR 	77 	75 	38.2 	0.501 	0.321 	0.766 	1.9 	5.9 	7.8 	2.8 	1.2 	1.8 	2.05 	2.70 	19.2
01-02 	POR 	79 	79 	37.5 	0.469 	0.360 	0.734 	1.7 	6.4 	8.2 	1.9 	1.3 	1.3 	1.66 	2.70 	19.3
02-03 	POR 	74 	74 	36.3 	0.471 	0.358 	0.735 	1.5 	5.9 	7.4 	2.1 	0.9 	1.0 	1.89 	3.00 	18.1
03-04 	POR 	45 	44 	37.2 	0.442 	0.341 	0.742 	1.5 	5.1 	6.6 	2.5 	0.8 	1.6 	1.93 	2.90 	17.0
03-04 	ATL 	1 	1 	42.0 	0.333 	0.167 	1.000 	1.0 	5.0 	6.0 	2.0 	1.0 	5.0 	3.00 	0.00 	20.0
03-04 	DET 	22 	21 	30.6 	0.431 	0.319 	0.704 	1.5 	5.6 	7.0 	1.8 	1.1 	2.0 	1.32 	2.70 	13.7
04-05 	DET 	79 	79 	34.0 	0.440 	0.318 	0.697 	2.2 	5.9 	8.2 	1.8 	0.8 	1.5 	1.61 	3.00 	14.5
05-06 	DET 	80 	80 	34.8 	0.430 	0.357 	0.743 	1.1 	5.7 	6.8 	2.3 	1.0 	1.6 	1.06 	2.90 	15.1
06-07 	DET 	75 	72 	32.3 	0.423 	0.351 	0.788 	1.2 	6.0 	7.2 	1.7 	1.0 	1.6 	1.25 	3.00 	12.3
07-08 	DET 	11 	11 	32.5 	0.453 	0.419 	0.806 	0.9 	6.3 	7.2 	1.9 	1.0 	1.1 	1.27 	3.30 	15.2
Career 	-- 	877 	815 	34.3 	0.477 	0.340 	0.716 	1.6 	5.3 	6.9 	1.9 	1.0 	1.3 	1.70 	3.00 	15.4
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11/28/2007  4:51 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
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i can't kill him cuz the guy does battle for rebounds down low... but he also doesn't hustle back on defense & that does speak to lack of effort at times also... maybe his lack of low post efficiency is due to Curry's presence in the lane too, so he's resorting to taking those longrange jumpers more this year which has negatively effected his shooting %... either way, i pretty much know this frontcourt ain't gonna work... we gotta trade 1 of those guys & get ourselves a defensive shotblocker who can play off the ball... we need to set & define clear roles for everyone on this team... right now, no one knows what even their role is or what they're supposed to be doing on the floor... after several years together u figure they would at least have gotten some hint of where they're supposed to be on the floor & where they're supposed to move to in certain situations... it's pretty ridiculous.

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It's difficult to compare the numbers. Turnovers are sometimes a direct result of what the coach asks of you. For example, I've had PG's that I have told that I need you to be more aggressive. I need you to attack the defense and get into traffic. I need you to keep the dribble regardless of the double team etc. Turnovers may go up but I wouldn't consider that player a high turnover player. There are other variables as well. Too many to speak of

I look less at the numbers and more at the actual play. What type of turnovers is that player producing? Unforced? When other players are available? etc. A lot of Zach's turnovers to me seem to occur at times when he has forced the issue in situations that don't need it.
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