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EnySpree
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11/27/2007  6:00 AM
Marbs handling of the last two games was superb. Just great basketball from a guy that has the talent to do it. Its not the fact he was scoring.....its how and when he scored and how he passed the ball and got up and down the court.

Against Utah he was an elite point guard. I wanna know why does he have to be raked through the coals in order to play his game? Does he only get motivated when he has a challenge like Deron Williams in front of him?

I have been flaming Marbs this season, but if he continues to play like he as the last 2 games then I can get back on his side.

Its great Marbs seems to be waking up, cuz the Boston is fitting to have a tea party on our asses.
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11/27/2007  7:37 AM
"You can coach him hard,'' Thomas said, and if what we saw last night is the belated result of Marbury being coached as hard as he's ever been in his life, then maybe the entire Phoenix fiasco really can become something of a flashpoint in his career - and in the coach's tenure.

It was Thomas, after all, who all but promised that he would be he one to finally draw the inner Cousy out of Marbury when he arranged for this shotgun marriage. Last night, at last, with something to prove in the worst way, we finally saw that. So did Deron Williams.

"He's still great,'' Williams said. "Don't let anyone tell you different.''

For one night, at least, no one would even bother to try.

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11/27/2007  7:44 AM
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"You can coach him hard,'' Thomas said, and if what we saw last night is the belated result of Marbury being coached as hard as he's ever been in his life, then maybe the entire Phoenix fiasco really can become something of a flashpoint in his career - and in the coach's tenure.

It was Thomas, after all, who all but promised that he would be he one to finally draw the inner Cousy out of Marbury when he arranged for this shotgun marriage. Last night, at last, with something to prove in the worst way, we finally saw that. So did Deron Williams.

"He's still great,'' Williams said. "Don't let anyone tell you different.''

For one night, at least, no one would even bother to try.

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11/27/2007  7:54 AM
Marbury is a good player who has never had players that fit his game put around him in NY ever since the "glory " days of KVH and KT. He needs shooters and defensive player who will cover for his mistakes on defense. He is hardly the only star offensive player to have such needs.

As bad as Marbury might be as far as all the extra stuff, he has the ability to be a leader on a middle of the pack 43-45 win team. If he has the right talent around him.

Personally that is not what I would shoot for as a GM as the best outcome for my team, but 45 wins seems pretty amazing right now after all the years of grandiose failure.
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11/27/2007  7:59 AM
Posted by simrud:

Marbury is a good player who has never had players that fit his game put around him in NY ever since the "glory " days of KVH and KT. He needs shooters and defensive player who will cover for his mistakes on defense. He is hardly the only star offensive player to have such needs.

As bad as Marbury might be as far as all the extra stuff, he has the ability to be a leader on a middle of the pack 43-45 win team. If he has the right talent around him.

Personally that is not what I would shoot for as a GM as the best outcome for my team, but 45 wins seems pretty amazing right now after all the years of grandiose failure.

he doesn't even have that anymore. his diva personality’s out of control now. he won't provide leadership beyond a string of a couple of games of playing well. then wait till he stubs his toe again or feels the need for some headlines. He’s fool’s gold, fellas.
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11/27/2007  8:02 AM
But how many players in the NBA are not the same way? 90% of these guys require handling with care to avoid setting them of. Coddling the superstar is part of the job description in the absence of a hard cap.
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11/27/2007  8:10 AM
Posted by simrud:

But how many players in the NBA are not the same way? 90% of these guys require handling with care to avoid setting them of. Coddling the superstar is part of the job description in the absence of a hard cap.

disagree. marbury's in the top 1%. few ever have had the dysfunctional impact he's had upon a string of franchises. please look up professor blueseat's treatise for more info on this subject.
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11/27/2007  8:35 AM
I agree with Marv. It's taken me awhile to come around and see it, but this happens nearly every year - Marbury is quite capable of playing well for a few games. He even did it during the LB era. But Marbury always ends by doing this to us:

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11/27/2007  8:42 AM
He's exactly like Sprewell in his final months. Plays hard when he wants to.

In relation to Marbury having two good games or the Knicks having two victories when on earth will fans learn? We've watched this for 6+ years now. Every time a player who has been dogging it suddenly has a good game people delude themselves into thinking "Yep, after 10 years in the league last night proves he's finally gotten it! He will now average what he did last night for the rest of the year!"

Same with the team pulling out a disgusting win against a floundering Bulls team and hanging on to a Jazz team (who if was coached by Isiah would be excuse for losing because it was a back to back on the road) at home as turning the corner. That's it! They will not lose another game!


I don't know how people do this to themselves. It must be absolutely crushing when the next bad game comes around.
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11/27/2007  9:05 AM

Marbury has incredible talent but lost the eye of the tiger and his body is not what it used to be.

Maybe he could have worked harder to stay in shape and evolve his game.

"Starbury" was able to do crazy things based on his leg stregnth and power to the rim.

To him being "coached" might have been a sign of weakness. The dude is loony tunes, but the talent is there.

Our best hope is he has a banner season and shows he can be coached which might make his expiring contract moveable to some GM that thinks on the right team with leadership he can fill a role.
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11/27/2007  9:12 AM
Nalod - lets hope that Mardy is taking copious notes in practice ("man we talkin' bout practice") and that David Lee heals all the way.

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11/27/2007  12:21 PM
Posted by Cosmic:

He's exactly like Sprewell in his final months. Plays hard when he wants to.

In relation to Marbury having two good games or the Knicks having two victories when on earth will fans learn? We've watched this for 6+ years now. Every time a player who has been dogging it suddenly has a good game people delude themselves into thinking "Yep, after 10 years in the league last night proves he's finally gotten it! He will now average what he did last night for the rest of the year!"

Same with the team pulling out a disgusting win against a floundering Bulls team and hanging on to a Jazz team (who if was coached by Isiah would be excuse for losing because it was a back to back on the road) at home as turning the corner. That's it! They will not lose another game!


I don't know how people do this to themselves. It must be absolutely crushing when the next bad game comes around.

What are you talking about?

I guess you are one of those guys that like to trash the team to protect themselves from getting hurt. Like, "ah man how can you like this team! I have sat in the fetal position for the last 6 years crying my eyes out. I feel like I wasted my life. How can I live with the knicks tatooes on my nuts knowing this team sucks so bad!"

All the quotes you said aren't coming from my keys. I wanted Marbs traded yesterday. After this Utah game I think its fair to debate the whole benching in pheonix and whether he can actually "get it" for the rest of the season.......

Knicks sure need his play and certainly the teams play in a few days when they face Boston.

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11/27/2007  12:39 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

I agree with Marv. It's taken me awhile to come around and see it, but this happens nearly every year - Marbury is quite capable of playing well for a few games. He even did it during the LB era. But Marbury always ends by doing this to us:


I think this sums up everything.

Everytime a guy has 1 or 2 good games we claim they've turned the corner. I would prefer that a guy actually turns the corner before they get credit. Give me the rest of the year playing like this and then we will no longer have to debate it. For once I'd like a player to just do it
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11/27/2007  6:30 PM
Everytime a guy has 1 or 2 good games we claim they've turned the corner. I would prefer that a guy actually turns the corner before they get credit.

make that true for this whole damn team while you're at it... fool me once, shame on you... fool me 6 times, shame on Bip.
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11/27/2007  6:49 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by BasketballJones:

I agree with Marv. It's taken me awhile to come around and see it, but this happens nearly every year - Marbury is quite capable of playing well for a few games. He even did it during the LB era. But Marbury always ends by doing this to us:


I think this sums up everything.

Everytime a guy has 1 or 2 good games we claim they've turned the corner. I would prefer that a guy actually turns the corner before they get credit. Give me the rest of the year playing like this and then we will no longer have to debate it. For once I'd like a player to just do it

WOW! I have been angry with Steph for his play and antics, but I wouldn't go this far. Do you now just completely forget how he played last year? The guy played what was considered widely to be one of his best seasons. He didn't just play well for one or two games but for much of the year. In fact until he just couldn't go anymore. Most of us agreed that if he could just play like that this year we would be fine. He already showed that he can be what we need, but for whatever reason he started off poorly and some of us thought maybe he was done. Maybe it was just an older guy playing his way into form. Maybe he's just stubborn and has to be kicked into doing the right thing. I just can't agree that he's a guy that hasn't shown us that he's turned the corner in his career. Not since he actually did play well last year for an extended period of time. The way he played the last 2 games is more like what we saw from him last year.

He's not always going to hit every shot, but so long as he's playing with the same style of play and leadership, we'll benefit from that. We still need to find or develop our future PG, so this doesn't change everything, but i'm interested to see if he can sustain this for an entire season of will he breakdown. I was hoping that we'd work Nate or Mardy in more this year, so that Steph could cut his minutes down and preserve his body.
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11/27/2007  7:12 PM
If Marbury's so great, why did Isiah bench him? Was the benching of Marbury just a mistake, or was there something behind it?
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11/27/2007  7:18 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

If Marbury's so great, why did Isiah bench him? Was the benching of Marbury just a mistake, or was there something behind it?

was there something "behind" it ?!?!?!?!?! what an obvious and politically incorrect pun
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11/27/2007  7:30 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

If Marbury's so great, why did Isiah bench him? Was the benching of Marbury just a mistake, or was there something behind it?

A. Coaches have only one negotiating tool that players understand universally.

Minutes.

Isiah Thomas decided that he would play his hand all at once and dare Marbury to react, which he did... and probably expected, after all... hence, the ticket home to pout. They are neighbors and Isiah is close enough to know how much pure ego he is dealing with.

Rather than sit... what happens? Marbury is thrust back in the spotlight.

Isiah simply said, "Sink or swim bro".

No matter what, Marbury ain't goin' out like no punk. Not in HIS city. No way.

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11/27/2007  7:41 PM
No matter what, Marbury ain't goin' out like no punk. Not in HIS city. No way.

That remains to be seen.
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11/27/2007  7:42 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by BasketballJones:

If Marbury's so great, why did Isiah bench him? Was the benching of Marbury just a mistake, or was there something behind it?

was there something "behind" it ?!?!?!?!?! what an obvious and politically incorrect pun

It's such an obvious pun I didn't know I made it, and I still don't know what the pun is.

I'm losin' it man.
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