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Queeniepop
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11/23/2007  4:39 PM
Jeff Van Gundy on ESPN Radio

- loved coaching the Knicks...but coaching rumor-mill is churning because of situation with team

- Knicks can't cash in on the season yet because they are only 11 games in

- Van G was asked about set plays...early in game, motion (5 men involved)...playing Eddy & Zach, Van G doesnt like...strengths arent complimentary (hi TO guys, not energetic defenders)...gonna be a low post team and constricts opposing team...less room for drivers...not good on D or passing...good rebounding & FT's (which is good)...talent of individual players are overblown beacuse its NY

- sexual harassment: if they could find a way to win a game, things will settle down; Van G didnt really follow the trial

- Marbury: Isiah made a mistake by overreacting to loss to Miami with Marbury; don't have a better player behind Marbury at PG; playing Mardy was a STRETCH; Marbury had the power because no one better was waiting in the wings; Eddy Curry shouldn't have been the one to tell Marbury either about the benching

- Van Gundy enjoys broadcasting; as for coaching, at some point he will get back in to coaching because he loves camaraderie and coaching...in NY, the support for the coaching position has not been strong; in NY, coach is always second-guessed and mgmnt must quell waters until a change is made
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11/24/2007  3:45 PM
I dont know why no one thanked you for this, but thanks Queenie.
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11/24/2007  4:21 PM
yop, great stuff.
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11/24/2007  4:41 PM
yep good post
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11/24/2007  6:08 PM
Van Gundy, now an NBA analyst for ESPN, criticized Thomas for poorly handling Stephon Marbury’s benching. But he also said something I agree wholeheartedly with: Thomas isn’t getting the public support he should be getting from his boss, James Dolan.

“When I was in New York, what I really liked was that my bosses were Dave Checketts and Ernie Grunfeld,” Van Gundy said. “They made changes. They traded players and they fired coaches. But you always had their wholehearted support until they were ready to make a change.

“Right now, I think it’s important that whoever’s in that position gets the same support,” he said. “It’s Isiah now. Before that it was Lenny Wilkens, Don Chaney, Larry Brown. And I just think at times that support for that position has not been as strong as it needs to be, to let everyone know who’s in charge and that we’re riding along with that coach.”

Great point. Where was Dolan today when Thomas stood in front of the media horde again and expressed his opinion that he doesn’t expect to be fired this season? Why would Dolan leave Thomas by himself to make the case that he shouldn’t be fired; isn’t that Dolan’s job?

Another interesting point from the Van Gundy interview. I loved how he took Pistons reserve Flip Murray to task for piling on the Knicks with his quote the other night that they “looked like they didn’t want to compete.”

“Let me start with Flip Murray,” Van Gundy said. “How about this? Don’t hide behind Tayshaun Prince, Chauncey Billups and those guys that led them to a blowout and then you come out and kill the Knicks. Now if Chauncey Billups wants to kill the Knicks, if Tayshaun Prince, if Rasheed Wallace, Rip Hamilton, if they want to kill the Knicks, that’s one thing, But for Flip Murray to take that pot shot at other NBA players, I think is uncalled for.”
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11/24/2007  6:17 PM
"dear jim dolan...my name is jeff van gundy and i'm available to coach your team..."
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11/24/2007  6:18 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Van Gundy, now an NBA analyst for ESPN, criticized Thomas for poorly handling Stephon Marbury’s benching. But he also said something I agree wholeheartedly with: Thomas isn’t getting the public support he should be getting from his boss, James Dolan.

“When I was in New York, what I really liked was that my bosses were Dave Checketts and Ernie Grunfeld,” Van Gundy said. “They made changes. They traded players and they fired coaches. But you always had their wholehearted support until they were ready to make a change.

“Right now, I think it’s important that whoever’s in that position gets the same support,” he said. “It’s Isiah now. Before that it was Lenny Wilkens, Don Chaney, Larry Brown. And I just think at times that support for that position has not been as strong as it needs to be, to let everyone know who’s in charge and that we’re riding along with that coach.”

Great point. Where was Dolan today when Thomas stood in front of the media horde again and expressed his opinion that he doesn’t expect to be fired this season? Why would Dolan leave Thomas by himself to make the case that he shouldn’t be fired; isn’t that Dolan’s job?


Van Gundy is talking as a coach about how he, as a coach, would like to be treated. But he's forgetting how Isiah treated all his coaches under him, Lording over them from the tunnel, letting marbury out muscle them, keeping them on the hotseat and turntable time after time.

The reason isiah is not being supported is because he's the president, GM and coach, there is nobody to buffer him. Few owners make statements for their teams, GMs do. Isiah wanted the whole kaboodle here and he's got it. I'm not gonna feel sorry for him if he's under scrutiny and finally needs to show something for his nearly four years of work and a quarter billion dollars spent.
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11/24/2007  6:50 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by misterearl:

Van Gundy, now an NBA analyst for ESPN, criticized Thomas for poorly handling Stephon Marbury’s benching. But he also said something I agree wholeheartedly with: Thomas isn’t getting the public support he should be getting from his boss, James Dolan.

“When I was in New York, what I really liked was that my bosses were Dave Checketts and Ernie Grunfeld,” Van Gundy said. “They made changes. They traded players and they fired coaches. But you always had their wholehearted support until they were ready to make a change.

“Right now, I think it’s important that whoever’s in that position gets the same support,” he said. “It’s Isiah now. Before that it was Lenny Wilkens, Don Chaney, Larry Brown. And I just think at times that support for that position has not been as strong as it needs to be, to let everyone know who’s in charge and that we’re riding along with that coach.”

Great point. Where was Dolan today when Thomas stood in front of the media horde again and expressed his opinion that he doesn’t expect to be fired this season? Why would Dolan leave Thomas by himself to make the case that he shouldn’t be fired; isn’t that Dolan’s job?


Van Gundy is talking as a coach about how he, as a coach, would like to be treated. But he's forgetting how Isiah treated all his coaches under him, Lording over them from the tunnel, letting marbury out muscle them, keeping them on the hotseat and turntable time after time.

The reason isiah is not being supported is because he's the president, GM and coach, there is nobody to buffer him. Few owners make statements for their teams, GMs do. Isiah wanted the whole kaboodle here and he's got it. I'm not gonna feel sorry for him if he's under scrutiny and finally needs to show something for his nearly four years of work and a quarter billion dollars spent.

Van Gundy is not forgetting. He's being diplomatic.

“Right now, I think it’s important that whoever’s in that position gets the same support,” he said. “It’s Isiah now. Before that it was Lenny Wilkens, Don Chaney, Larry Brown. And I just think at times that support for that position has not been as strong as it needs to be, to let everyone know who’s in charge and that we’re riding along with that coach.”
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11/24/2007  6:54 PM
If vandummy comes back to the knicks I will turn into Isles
JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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11/24/2007  7:45 PM
Posted by playa2:

If vandummy comes back to the knicks I will turn into Isles


You got nothing to worry about. Dolan like everyone but Van Gundy. He hasn't forgotten how he left the KNicks high and dry he is no different than Stephon.
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11/24/2007  8:05 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

"dear jim dolan...my name is jeff van gundy and i'm available to coach your team..."

It sounds more like he's saying, "I'm NOT interested in being part of your dysfunctional team." And that's what any smart established coach/GM will say

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 11-24-2007 8:06 PM]
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11/24/2007  8:10 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

"dear jim dolan...my name is jeff van gundy and i'm available to coach your team..."

ROFL!! I think hed work well here. I think hed get alot out of what this team has to offer. We are offensively structured kinda like a bootleg version of a Knicks team that he coached. On offense anyway.
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11/24/2007  9:00 PM
Posted by playa2:

If vandummy comes back to the knicks I will turn into Isles

I doubt he'll ever come back, as long as suckbury's around.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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11/24/2007  9:01 PM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by playa2:

If vandummy comes back to the knicks I will turn into Isles


You got nothing to worry about. Dolan like everyone but Van Gundy. He hasn't forgotten how he left the KNicks high and dry he is no different than Stephon.

What you said is a complete joke.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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11/24/2007  9:10 PM
I don't see Jeff coming to a situation where there aren't at least a few good pieces in place. Arguably we do have that, but I just don't see him coming into this situation, given the way the past 3-4 coaches have been treated.
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11/24/2007  10:04 PM
why would anyone want any part of VG's boring offense again? he's a defensive coach & this team doesn't have enough defensive minded players playing key roles to run his system effectively... he's not a good fit for this team or these players... we need to address the roster issues first, then address who's gonna coach them.
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11/24/2007  10:29 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

I don't see Jeff coming to a situation where there aren't at least a few good pieces in place. Arguably we do have that, but I just don't see him coming into this situation, given the way the past 3-4 coaches have been treated.

And that's why he left. Also, he even said he didn't like the combo of Zach and Curry together. He said they don't compliment each other and he's right. They don't. That would probably be a main factor to a new coach coming here. It's no wonder why someone like Herb Williams would want to coach this team. He obviously has no brain and would be here to collect, because he heard the pickings where good here. With that said, I'd wonder why anyone with a brain would want to come here to put up with this soap opera?
I'll never trust this' team again.
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11/24/2007  10:30 PM
out in europe...a few reporters found darko for his comments...
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11/24/2007  10:31 PM
Posted by TMS:

why would anyone want any part of VG's boring offense again? he's a defensive coach & this team doesn't have enough defensive minded players playing key roles to run his system effectively... he's not a good fit for this team or these players... we need to address the roster issues first, then address who's gonna coach them.

If you had a choice between Isiah and Van Gundy, who would you rather have? I know this is a tough one, but who's it gonna be?
I'll never trust this' team again.
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11/24/2007  10:37 PM

Wow!!!
I'll never trust this' team again.
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