David Lee to the LA Lakers straight up for Jordan Farmar

Zach Randolph and Nate Robinson to Sacremento for Kenny Thomas Justin Williams and John Salmons

We'll start there and see how it goes

C-Curry
F-Williams
F-Salmons
G-Crawford[although he is on the hitlist]
G Farmar
F Thomas
G Jefferies
G/F Chandler
F Balkman
G Starbury

I can also move Salmons down to guard and move Balkman or Chandler into the strating lineup and put Craw back at 6th man where he belongs.

Lee is worth more than Farmer unless Farmer has really stepped up his game (I admit I only saw the Lakers once this season and Farmer did not play much and did not really impress me). We should be able to get more for Lee.

Actually that line-up would be ok.

I like john salmons a lot. Dude is like a step behind joe johnson.

Knicks need a clean up trade like now.

How many games will that roster win.

I was thinking Randolph + Lee for Artest, Salmons, and Brad Miller.

Sacramento gets rid of Artest if they want to, Salmons was disgruntled, and Miller is shot.

We get some shooting, defense, and 2 real wing players to complement Curry, Sacramento gets a true low-post scorer and 2 rebounders.

Somebody tell me if the money works.

oohah

no no no no no no no!!!!!! Isiah Thomas is still here, Stephon Marbury is still here, Eddy Curry is still here. No moves should be made until those 3 circus clowns are gone. Then after that, we can move onto getting rid of Jackass Randolph. Once that selfish no defense playing moody jerk is gone, we can place a nice bow on Jamal Crawful and leave him at John Paxon's doorstep. Whoever is left after that, just blowtorch. Ehh gad. What a mess.

I've watched every single Laker game this year sans 1. Maybe Im a tad light on the ask--maybe I should ask for a first round pick as well[because a good big is hard to find] but let me say this--Jordan farmar looks like the second coming of Tony Parker. He's 20 years old. I *know* there is no one here who follows the lakers like me--I watch them as much as I watch the Knicks. This kid is GOOD very very GOOD and his upside is HIGH. Turriaf is kind of like a David Lee but he is always injured as is Kwame+Mihm so they could use Lee and could replace Farmar with Criterrion. I think every one said poo poo to TJ ford going to Toronto for CV but that trade now looks like a big Toronto winner.

With Zach Im simply cutting it up and bringing in a solid young 3 man who has upped his game in Salmons and what I believe is a promising PF in Williams. There is going to be a shortage of where we could move Zach.
And these are just initial moves but one that is setting a tone for smarter more skilled two way players that we can fit into a new system. I would certainly CRINGE to give up Lee but if I can get myself a young skilled PG like that--I would do it.

I like this. We're on the right track here with some of these names.

I'd do this a little differently myself, but I like what we're talking about here.

First, I like the idea of striking up a deal with Sacramento not involving Artest. But as I said the other day, my trade proposal with Petrie would be Lee for Francisco Garcia and Justin Williams. Of course I'd prefer to swing something for those two players not involving Lee (using Balkman, Morris, etc...) but it would take Lee for anything to ever get serious and that would be something I'd be prepared to do. I just like Garcia over Salmons. I think Garcia has the higher ceiling of the two and I really like his game (31 pts. on 13-25 from the field, 6 rebs., 5 assts., 1 blk., only 1 TO the other night in Phoenix). All he needs is playing time which he's only starting to get now. Garcia's about 2-3 years younger than Salmons (the real key to this for me - anything we do from here on in has got to be centered around us remaining young), has a better pure shooting stroke (I always thought of Salmons as more of a scorer than a shooter, not that there's anything really wrong with that - it's all about putting the ball in the hole I guess) and just more versatile overall (I like Garcia's ability to handle it, bring it up, set up the offense, stuff like he did at Louisville - his monster night the other night in Phoenix was as the starting PG against Steve Nash - although I've seen Salmons put up triple-double type performances on occasion recently so I'm well aware of his versatility as well). Garcia would be as pure a shooter as we've seen at the Garden since Allan Houston. I see that same coolness and court demeanor in Garcia that Houston had. I'll even go out on a limb here and say that I think he has a better overall skill set than Houston had (Houston, as good as he was, was never a good passer, rebounder or defender nor did he have the greatest handle or take to the basket - all qualities this kid Garcia posesses however). He has a real good chance to have a better career than Allan had when it's all said and done. All he needs to do is keep working hard, keep earning that playing time and get a little bit stronger. What do ya think about that??? Crazy huh? Well we'll see... Plus I really like the idea of bringing the local Bronx kid home - the Garden would really love this kid. It would make for a nice story...

I do like Farmar and wouldn't mind it at all if we worked out a small sensible trade to acquire him, although I'd just rather see the Knicks get in good position with this upcoming draft which is stacked with PG talent and get themselves a world class PG like a Rose or a Mayo or even a guy a little lower on that next tier like a Darren Collison or even a DJ Augustin - all guys I like a little better than Farmar. But Farmar's not bad. Like Garcia, he's finally starting to get some PT and the opportunity to show what he can do - 18 pts in only 22 mins. in a 20 pt. blowout win in Indiana the other day and even better, an 8 assist/14 pt. performance in only 25 mins in another blowout of the Bulls at home. Very nice. I see a lot of Kirk Hinrich in this guy, which is a compliment even though Kirk's having a rough year so far in the early going. Who knows, the Lakers could be open to discussing something regarding Farmar - they brought in Fisher who's still more that a decent player and battle-tested for the present and you figure they'd want Crittenton to eventually take over the reigns and be the future PG sometime soon. Only thing is Lee's game is very similar to Ronny Turiaf who they like a lot. Interesting though. Maybe this is where we reach out and try to work a Balkman/Morris angle for Farmar.

Not against dealing Lee at all. I think his value around the league is high but not through the roof like some think around here. Let's not go crazy with Lee here OK fellas. We're never gonna get Kevin Garnett for the guy. But I think that Garcia/Williams is a slightly better overall value for Lee than Farmar. You get a young, versatile overall package in Garcia and a young, athletic interior defender in Williams who's hungry as ever to show that he belongs in this league. I do agree Williams can supply a lot of what Lee gives us provided he came here and got Lee's 25-30 minutes a night, I said so the other day. And I just think other shotblocking options I've thought about recently (Dalembert, Biedrins, Armstrong, etc..) would cost too much. Now with this deal in place, I wouldn't be so against moving Randolph. Curry and Randolph isn't the greatest combo. in the world defensively, God knows, but if you add a shotblocker to the mix as that 3rd big like a Justin Williams, give him enough PT to have an impact, and go Curry/Williams and Randolph/Williams for stretches, Curry and Randolph both would be successful playing to their indiviual strengths with the Knicks. Rememeber Randolph's only 25-26 yrs. old and is an automatic double-double every single night. Say what you want about the guy's shortcomings (and he's got a few) but you can't deny the dude is a hard worker. With his height and athletic limitations it's really amazing he still manages to out work and out hustle his opponent most nights. Plus, Salmons' contract runs just as long as Randolph's (both run through the 2010/2011 season). I know it's not for the same money but the equal length still makes for a cap hinderance in my book. Now if someone wants to deal expiring contracts and 1st round picks for Zach, I'd be interested. If not, I'm finding a way to make it all work with a 26 yr. old 20/10 PF on my team. As for Curry, I do agree about not giving up on Curry just yet. Believe me fellas, the guy pisses me off to no end when he starts pulling his dear-in-headlights routine out there, but I agree that you don't just give away a 24-25 yr. old 6'11" center with his offensive skills, especially after what we gave up to get him. We went out of our way to make him the center piece, now we've got to go the extra couple of miles to surround him with the proper supporting cast. Garcia's shooting stroke and overall savvy play, Justin Williams' interior defense and landing one of the many super-talented PGs available in this upcoming draft could be the answer we've been looking for. And if not, hey, WTF, we just added 3 more young talented building blocks. Instead of just putting on the blindfold and pulling stuff out of the cabinet and throwing it in the blender, we've got to start being a little smarter about piecing this thing together. Whether or not Isiah is smart enough to do that though is the big question now.

For ****s and giggles though, how'd this look in a couple of years:

5 - Curry/Justin Williams/Morris
4 - Randolph/Williams/Morris
3 - Garcia/Chandler/Balkman
2 - Crawford/Garcia/Robinson
1 - Derrick Rose OR Mayo OR Collison OR Augustin/Robinson/Collins

I'd got to war with that. In a heartbeat.

i think there are only 2 moves that MUST be done asap

1. fire isiah
2. waive steph

but it's also VERY important to have the right gm in place before the 2008 draft b/c it probably will be a big one for us.

Posted by djsunyc:

i think there are only 2 moves that MUST be done asap

1. fire isiah
2. waive steph

but it's also VERY important to have the right gm in place before the 2008 draft b/c it probably will be a big one for us.

To be honest, I'm kinda enjoying the Zeke and Warbury reality show at the moment. Maybe we shouldn't be in that big of a rush to dump them. We're not making the playoffs anyway and this season is already a train wreck, so, we might as well let it play out in all of it's glorious insanity. I mean look at it this way, our team will still suck without Stiffy and Zeke, but, chanting fire Herb and booing Mardy Collins just doesn't give us, well at least me, the same satisfaction I get when I hear Fire Zeke and Marbury you suck. Understand what I'm saying? Then at the end of the season, we drive the hearse right up to the MSG loading dock and roll Marbury and Zeke right in...

i agree with djsunyc, isiah has to be gone first and something must be done with marbury and then zach randolph.

farmar is an absolute stud, i have nba league pass and watch the lakers every night for kobe, briggs and i are watching the same games b/c with what chris paul has done with the hornets this year and tj ford with the raps the last 2 years, and obviously tony parker and deron williams as well, good pgs turn franchises around. farmar attacks the rim relentlessly, but i wonder if LA would give up on him (he grew up in LA, played high school ball at taft in LA, played college ball at UCLA and then drafted by the lakers -- somewhat of a legend in LA).

there will be major changes