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djsunyc
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11/19/2007  4:23 PM
per daugherty blog:
So is Marbury starting or coming off the bench tomorrow against Golden State?

“We’ll see,” Thomas said.

Given a second chance, would you handle the situation differently?

“No,” Thomas said.

He called it necessary, then seemingly dumped the whole thing in Marbury’s lap.

“Again, what we need and what we want from him is great leadership and great defense and those are two things he is capable of delivering,” Thomas said. “And when those things aren’t delivered, he’ll hear from me. But from that point guard position, that’s what we need and that’s what we demand and sometimes it may not sit well, but those are the things we need. And if those things are delivered, I’m sure we’ll have a good season.”

Read that last sentance a couple of times. Did you catch it?

wow...it's all on steph, huh?
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11/19/2007  4:27 PM
We don't have a head out there.....
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11/19/2007  4:27 PM
Its as if the Garden is full of vultures that'll kill you just to save face.

[Edited by - jrzyhustla on 11-19-2007 4:28 PM]
djsunyc
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11/19/2007  4:28 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

We don't have a head out there.....

they don't have a head in there either...
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11/19/2007  4:30 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

per daugherty blog:
So is Marbury starting or coming off the bench tomorrow against Golden State?

“We’ll see,” Thomas said.

Given a second chance, would you handle the situation differently?

“No,” Thomas said.

He called it necessary, then seemingly dumped the whole thing in Marbury’s lap.

“Again, what we need and what we want from him is great leadership and great defense and those are two things he is capable of delivering,” Thomas said. “And when those things aren’t delivered, he’ll hear from me. But from that point guard position, that’s what we need and that’s what we demand and sometimes it may not sit well, but those are the things we need. And if those things are delivered, I’m sure we’ll have a good season.”

Read that last sentance a couple of times. Did you catch it?

wow...it's all on steph, huh?

I am 50/50 on this. Isiah is feeling some heat from Mills/Dolan but Isiah has a right to also put pressure on his highest paid, self-declared star. I mean, why not? Isiah HAS brought in 3 solid coaches while Marb has been here, he has coddled him, tutored him and Isiah wants something in return just like the rest of us. So far all Marbury has done well is cashing the paycheck.

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11/19/2007  4:31 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by djsunyc:

per daugherty blog:
So is Marbury starting or coming off the bench tomorrow against Golden State?

“We’ll see,” Thomas said.

Given a second chance, would you handle the situation differently?

“No,” Thomas said.

He called it necessary, then seemingly dumped the whole thing in Marbury’s lap.

“Again, what we need and what we want from him is great leadership and great defense and those are two things he is capable of delivering,” Thomas said. “And when those things aren’t delivered, he’ll hear from me. But from that point guard position, that’s what we need and that’s what we demand and sometimes it may not sit well, but those are the things we need. And if those things are delivered, I’m sure we’ll have a good season.”

Read that last sentance a couple of times. Did you catch it?

wow...it's all on steph, huh?

I am 50/50 on this. Isiah is feeling some heat from Mills/Dolan but Isiah has a right to also put pressure on his highest paid, self-declared star. I mean, why not? Isiah HAS brought in 3 solid coaches while Marb has been here, he has coddled him, tutored him and Isiah wants something in return just like the rest of us. So far all Marbury has done well is cashing the paycheck.

That's all he's interested in anymore. I don't expect that to change.
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11/19/2007  4:32 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by BasketballJones:

We don't have a head out there.....

they don't have a head in there either...

Steph had a head in the truck...
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11/19/2007  4:33 PM
“If I didn’t play the way how I played, I wouldn’t have gotten no max contract,” he said. “They can talk about whatever they wanna talk about me, because I got maxed. I’m a max player. Don’t get mad at me, because I’m telling you what’s real. One plus one is two, all day long, and it’s never gonna change. And that’s factorial.” -- Stephon Marbury
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11/19/2007  4:35 PM
i bet dolan gets excited when isiah talks like this.
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11/19/2007  4:47 PM
Zeke is a ****ing loser, call out marbury all you want but crawford is just as much to blame and never gets called out for his awful shots and open door defense.....

Eddy has been horrible on the defensive end as is the entire team. Start Balkman, Start Collins and Nate if your concerned with defense and make the other players earn time. Morris has been given no chance which is odd considering the defense of our bigs, have a plan stick to it and don't blame one guy for all your horrible decisions
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11/19/2007  4:49 PM
he can't pull this "south side chicago" type sh t on eddy...dude would fold up like a broken accordian.
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11/19/2007  4:54 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

he can't pull this "south side chicago" type sh t on eddy...dude would fold up like a broken accordian.

West Side, dammit.
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11/19/2007  4:56 PM
the only thing that pisses me off about this is it should have been done 3 years ago... now it's all just rhetoric & just more spin from Isiah to deflect the blame away from himself.
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11/19/2007  4:58 PM
Posted by MS:

Zeke is a ****ing loser, call out marbury all you want but crawford is just as much to blame and never gets called out for his awful shots and open door defense.....

Eddy has been horrible on the defensive end as is the entire team. Start Balkman, Start Collins and Nate if your concerned with defense and make the other players earn time. Morris has been given no chance which is odd considering the defense of our bigs, have a plan stick to it and don't blame one guy for all your horrible decisions

when Jamal is looked upon to be the captain of this team, maybe you'd have a better case... until then, Marbury's making the big bucks, he's looked upon to be the leader of this team... he knew that coming in & seemed to want to take on that role in the very beginning... he talks a huge game but that's all he is... all talk.
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11/19/2007  4:59 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by djsunyc:

per daugherty blog:
So is Marbury starting or coming off the bench tomorrow against Golden State?

“We’ll see,” Thomas said.

Given a second chance, would you handle the situation differently?

“No,” Thomas said.

He called it necessary, then seemingly dumped the whole thing in Marbury’s lap.

“Again, what we need and what we want from him is great leadership and great defense and those are two things he is capable of delivering,” Thomas said. “And when those things aren’t delivered, he’ll hear from me. But from that point guard position, that’s what we need and that’s what we demand and sometimes it may not sit well, but those are the things we need. And if those things are delivered, I’m sure we’ll have a good season.”

Read that last sentance a couple of times. Did you catch it?

wow...it's all on steph, huh?

I am 50/50 on this. Isiah is feeling some heat from Mills/Dolan but Isiah has a right to also put pressure on his highest paid, self-declared star. I mean, why not? Isiah HAS brought in 3 solid coaches while Marb has been here, he has coddled him, tutored him and Isiah wants something in return just like the rest of us. So far all Marbury has done well is cashing the paycheck.

Marbury was never known for his leadership or defensive skills, in fact they were always considered to be below average, but Isiah knowingly brought him in here anyway. And then Isiah took Marbury's side when all of his previous Knicks head coaches demanded even average leadership and defense from him.

Now Isiah says it's all on Marbury if he doesn't give them solid leadership and defense? That's BS.
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11/19/2007  4:59 PM
Posted by VDesai:

Steph had a head in the truck...

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11/19/2007  5:01 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

“If I didn’t play the way how I played, I wouldn’t have gotten no max contract,” he said. “They can talk about whatever they wanna talk about me, because I got maxed. I’m a max player. Don’t get mad at me, because I’m telling you what’s real. One plus one is two, all day long, and it’s never gonna change. And that’s factorial.” -- Stephon Marbury

I was just going to look for this and post it, but you beat me to it. Marbs could care less about doing things Isiah's way, he's already a max player. He's already succeeded.
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11/19/2007  5:01 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by MS:

Zeke is a ****ing loser, call out marbury all you want but crawford is just as much to blame and never gets called out for his awful shots and open door defense.....

Eddy has been horrible on the defensive end as is the entire team. Start Balkman, Start Collins and Nate if your concerned with defense and make the other players earn time. Morris has been given no chance which is odd considering the defense of our bigs, have a plan stick to it and don't blame one guy for all your horrible decisions

when Jamal is looked upon to be the captain of this team, maybe you'd have a better case... until then, Marbury's making the big bucks, he's looked upon to be the leader of this team... he knew that coming in & seemed to want to take on that role in the very beginning... he talks a huge game but that's all he is... all talk.

Jamal is a tri-captain, along with Marbury and Curry.

Stop laughing! I'm not kidding this time!

They are the tri-captains.

[Edited by - basketballjones on 11-19-2007 17:02]
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11/19/2007  5:03 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

per daugherty blog:
So is Marbury starting or coming off the bench tomorrow against Golden State?

“We’ll see,” Thomas said.

Given a second chance, would you handle the situation differently?

“No,” Thomas said.

He called it necessary, then seemingly dumped the whole thing in Marbury’s lap.

“Again, what we need and what we want from him is great leadership and great defense and those are two things he is capable of delivering,” Thomas said. “And when those things aren’t delivered, he’ll hear from me. But from that point guard position, that’s what we need and that’s what we demand and sometimes it may not sit well, but those are the things we need. And if those things are delivered, I’m sure we’ll have a good season.”

Read that last sentance a couple of times. Did you catch it?

wow...it's all on steph, huh?


I applauded LB for saying stuff like that so I guess I should do the same here (and do), but:

A) Even Brown didn't go so far as to hang our entire season on Marbury's head. He was much more even handed, and rightly so.
B) It was my understanding that as much as I was titillated by such talk Dolan was not and LB was fired for saying such things in public.

This is obviously causing confusion on the team and I have to wonder, to what end?

The only thing I can think of is Isiah's understanding that it takes dire consequences to get Marbury off his duff. Marbury only played hard for LB when he thought he might be traded. That's when we went on our january win streak. But come February, as soon as Francis arrived and the deadline passed Marbury went on the offensive, taking on LB in the press, swearing off all plays, ad wanting to play his way or not at all. Then last year some considered Marbury's best year, in spite of starting off poorly and ending weak. Why? because he and Isiah were on he hot seat, until Isiah got the extension that is.

So Isiah knows Marbury is a slacker with a really dense skull and is trying to pull the strings to get him, as McHale said, up from being a 25% good player to an 80% good player.

I think it's a fair assumption that Isiah has to win this year, and we probably wont with Mardy or Nate running the point. Maybe if they had full trust (and time) they would, but not while Steph is still here sucking the life out of the clubhouse and serving as a distraction.

So it's a high stakes gamble to get Marbury to play out of his mind just long enough to save Isiah's ass. Then with burned out knees and an expiring contract he can be set to sea this summer.
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11/19/2007  5:05 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by MS:

Zeke is a ****ing loser, call out marbury all you want but crawford is just as much to blame and never gets called out for his awful shots and open door defense.....

Eddy has been horrible on the defensive end as is the entire team. Start Balkman, Start Collins and Nate if your concerned with defense and make the other players earn time. Morris has been given no chance which is odd considering the defense of our bigs, have a plan stick to it and don't blame one guy for all your horrible decisions

when Jamal is looked upon to be the captain of this team, maybe you'd have a better case... until then, Marbury's making the big bucks, he's looked upon to be the leader of this team... he knew that coming in & seemed to want to take on that role in the very beginning... he talks a huge game but that's all he is... all talk.

Jamal is a tri-captain, along with Marbury and Curry.

Stop laughing! I'm not kidding this time!

They are the tri-captains.

[Edited by - basketballjones on 11-19-2007 17:02]

u know what i'm talking about tho man... he's not the guy everyone looks to for leadership, it's Steph... u know it & i know it... they follow his lead cuz he's got the juice w/the GM & he's supposedly the franchise guy... he also makes the big salary & came here w/all the fanfare... if he doesn't step up, why should you expect anyone else to?
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