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VDesai
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11/19/2007  10:36 AM
Stephon Marbury confidant Marc Berman says that "a friend of Marbury" told him that Isiah told Steph to go home if he didn't like the demotion, so Steph took him up on it.

Also seems to suggest that Isiah was the one telling people that Dolan might fire him on the west coast swing.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/11192007/sports/knicks/go__stephon__689821.htm?page=0

Its funny to read the Berman articles b/c they are the Marbury PR offensive.
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11/19/2007  11:13 AM
I love the last line:

"It is possible that at age 30, Marbury is at a career point where he takes more time to play into the season."

Berman has been saying it a lot. It must be the one thing that Marbury really want Berman to get out there. What is Berman going to do for exclusives once Marbury is gone?
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11/19/2007  11:21 AM
And stay home.
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11/19/2007  11:25 AM
Does anyone know the intention of "then go home" whether it was literal or not?

Bottom line is Steph abandoned his team and blackmailed the Coach/GM/President of the Knicks. I don't really know if it matters which way his absence is explained because at the end of the day the guy blew up and stormed off leaving his team in disarray and turmoil.

I don't know if this team had a legit chance to succeed this season but I do know that Marbury's antics have greatly reduced the chance of success and for that I am done with supporting his continued presence on the team.

If our franchise had any clue, any balls, and sense of reality: They would have sent him home for "Conduct detrimental to the team" and kept him home until they could find a trade or resolve a buyout.

No reason to go forward with such a player. No reason to wonder "Well if he WAS told to go home then EVERYTHINGS FINE NOW!!!!" for...it's not. Time to part ways, time to sever ties, and time to clear the air of the locker room.

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11/19/2007  11:27 AM
Posted by islesfan:

I love the last line:

"It is possible that at age 30, Marbury is at a career point where he takes more time to play into the season."

Berman has been saying it a lot. It must be the one thing that Marbury really want Berman to get out there. What is Berman going to do for exclusives once Marbury is gone?

see, I don't get why writers say that "at age whatever, it takes more time to get into shape". This rule should apply to one player and one player only: SHAQ. All the rest should come into shape at the beginning of the season every year.
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11/19/2007  11:29 AM
All the blame for this goes on Isiah's shoulders. It's amazing how someone so good has zero concept of the game.

He is going to insert lee at sf? He puts all the blame on Marbury when Crawford is just as terrible plays no defense and takes worse shots. Frankly if your telling him to go home literal or not you don't play him 34 minutes the next night after the entire team votes against it.

The team sucks, the players suck and they don't give effort all falls in isiahs lap
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11/19/2007  11:40 AM
If you read between the lines, they had a fight, and Marbury "misunderstood" Isiah.

When Isiah said "if you don't like it, go home." he was not being literal, but Stephon, in his anger, and being a passive-aggressive person, packed his bags and went home.

Now Marbury's back, but the wounds haven't healed. I don't think they really ever will, not completely.
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11/19/2007  11:44 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by islesfan:

I love the last line:

"It is possible that at age 30, Marbury is at a career point where he takes more time to play into the season."

Berman has been saying it a lot. It must be the one thing that Marbury really want Berman to get out there. What is Berman going to do for exclusives once Marbury is gone?

see, I don't get why writers say that "at age whatever, it takes more time to get into shape". This rule should apply to one player and one player only: SHAQ. All the rest should come into shape at the beginning of the season every year.

The funny thing is, he was supposed to have come to camp in very good shape and he's at an age when most players are in their primes.

What I don't get is this fantasy that Marbury should be a different player this year than any other year of his career. He is what he is, an offensive minded, me first PG. When Isiah comes out and says all he wants from his PG is leadership and defense, it just boggles the mind. If that's the case, then why trade for Marbury in the first place when he's never been known for either of those things? What's next, demanding that all he wants from his center is shotblocking and rebounds, and then benching Curry for not doing either?

Isiah is the guy who brought all these pieces together. He can't now cry about not getting exactly what he wants out of them when they've never been known for those things in the first place. It's bizarro world. Isiah is shopping for the groceries but none of the ingredients go together and then he's blaming the ingredients when the dish sucks.
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11/19/2007  11:54 AM
Last year he helped to put us in a hole because he wasn't in shape. Then when the injuries hit we had put ourselves in too much of a hole to make it to the playoffs. Similar things are happening this year.

At some point we have to realize that this isn't coincidence.
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11/19/2007  12:08 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

If you read between the lines, they had a fight, and Marbury "misunderstood" Isiah.

When Isiah said "if you don't like it, go home." he was not being literal, but Stephon, in his anger, and being a passive-aggressive person, packed his bags and went home.

Now Marbury's back, but the wounds haven't healed. I don't think they really ever will, not completely.

In steph's defense, maybe he interpreted 'go home' as it was intended for stevie francis last year- leave and rehab, collect your pay check and keep quiet.
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11/19/2007  12:13 PM
Posted by franco12:



In steph's defense, maybe he interpreted 'go home' as it was intended for stevie francis last year- leave and rehab, collect your pay check and keep quiet.

Again does it matter? Why defend a player who has been dragging the team down? Read my post above as to why I ask this question in relation to the context of the post-fight departure.
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11/19/2007  12:46 PM
How about many of us try this at our jobs. Let's piss our Boss off, have him/her recommend job re-assignment to us or else think about finding employment elsewhere. We then proceed to leave the job site that minute cussing out our boss in front of fellow employees and carrying it over in the lunch/lobby area going AWOL amidst a pivotal time in company production. Comeback the following day receiving greater role in the company paying only a company fine.


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[Edited by - TrueBlue on 11-19-2007 11:47 AM]
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
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11/19/2007  12:57 PM
Posted by Cosmic:

Again does it matter? Why defend a player who has been dragging the team down? Read my post above as to why I ask this question in relation to the context of the post-fight departure.

Not only that, he QUIT on them. He took his ball and went home. Look at Kobe. He's been bitching and moaning all summer but he ALWAYS came to play.

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11/19/2007  8:57 PM
I am not sure how well Marbury processes information spoken to him. I know that when he speaks to the media he always sounds stupid. He may be a very literal guy. I am not a fan of his but I do think that he either suffers from some social/communication type disorder or he is very limited intellectually. He truly is childlike off the court. I think he tries hard to do the right thing, Starburys, helping kids through huge donations etc. However, he does not seem to understand how to interact with others on a very basic level.
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Posted by K22:
Posted by Cosmic:

Again does it matter? Why defend a player who has been dragging the team down? Read my post above as to why I ask this question in relation to the context of the post-fight departure.

Not only that, he QUIT on them. He took his ball and went home. Look at Kobe. He's been bitching and moaning all summer but he ALWAYS came to play.
Good point! Kobe is not only in shape but he comes to play every night and does not take losing well.


[Edited by - BigC on 11-19-2007 9:05 PM]
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11/19/2007  9:22 PM
Posted by CrushAlot:

I am not sure how well Marbury processes information spoken to him. I know that when he speaks to the media he always sounds stupid. He may be a very literal guy. I am not a fan of his but I do think that he either suffers from some social/communication type disorder or he is very limited intellectually. He truly is childlike off the court. I think he tries hard to do the right thing, Starburys, helping kids through huge donations etc. However, he does not seem to understand how to interact with others on a very basic level.


Quite plausible.
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11/19/2007  9:45 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by martin:
Posted by islesfan:

I love the last line:

"It is possible that at age 30, Marbury is at a career point where he takes more time to play into the season."

Berman has been saying it a lot. It must be the one thing that Marbury really want Berman to get out there. What is Berman going to do for exclusives once Marbury is gone?

see, I don't get why writers say that "at age whatever, it takes more time to get into shape". This rule should apply to one player and one player only: SHAQ. All the rest should come into shape at the beginning of the season every year.

The funny thing is, he was supposed to have come to camp in very good shape and he's at an age when most players are in their primes.

What I don't get is this fantasy that Marbury should be a different player this year than any other year of his career. He is what he is, an offensive minded, me first PG. When Isiah comes out and says all he wants from his PG is leadership and defense, it just boggles the mind. If that's the case, then why trade for Marbury in the first place when he's never been known for either of those things? What's next, demanding that all he wants from his center is shotblocking and rebounds, and then benching Curry for not doing either?

Isiah is the guy who brought all these pieces together. He can't now cry about not getting exactly what he wants out of them when they've never been known for those things in the first place. It's bizarro world. Isiah is shopping for the groceries but none of the ingredients go together and then he's blaming the ingredients when the dish sucks.

The dish is not sucks - it is poisoned. Deadly poisoned
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11/19/2007  9:47 PM
Posted by BigC:
Posted by K22:
Posted by Cosmic:

Again does it matter? Why defend a player who has been dragging the team down? Read my post above as to why I ask this question in relation to the context of the post-fight departure.

Not only that, he QUIT on them. He took his ball and went home. Look at Kobe. He's been bitching and moaning all summer but he ALWAYS came to play.
Good point! Kobe is not only in shape but he comes to play every night and does not take losing well.


[Edited by - BigC on 11-19-2007 9:05 PM]

I guess KG also has the problems to come in shape. Is he?
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11/19/2007  10:52 PM
Posted by CrushAlot:

I am not sure how well Marbury processes information spoken to him. I know that when he speaks to the media he always sounds stupid. He may be a very literal guy. I am not a fan of his but I do think that he either suffers from some social/communication type disorder or he is very limited intellectually. He truly is childlike off the court. I think he tries hard to do the right thing, Starburys, helping kids through huge donations etc. However, he does not seem to understand how to interact with others on a very basic level.

There is somthing very wrong with him. He is very immature. He is an amazing ego but seems to want acceptance very much and be loved. THe "movement" seems very disgenuine and staged. As are most of his high profile philinthropic work, but its still a nice thing even if for not the most honest reasons.

The same of it the guy has amazing talent and parlayed that into a financial empire most can only dream about. All the money, all the fame seems to be his cage. ITs sad he could not find a real happy median to balance all this. its a shame he did not work on his craft and keep growing as a professional on the court.

The guy should walk and be happy.

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11/19/2007  11:08 PM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by BasketballJones:

If you read between the lines, they had a fight, and Marbury "misunderstood" Isiah.

When Isiah said "if you don't like it, go home." he was not being literal, but Stephon, in his anger, and being a passive-aggressive person, packed his bags and went home.

Now Marbury's back, but the wounds haven't healed. I don't think they really ever will, not completely.


In steph's defense, maybe he interpreted 'go home' as it was intended for stevie francis last year- leave and rehab, collect your pay check and keep quiet.

u'd think that he could at least get that part right, but NOOOOOO!
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