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If/When Isiah is fired, will the haters stop hating?
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franco12
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11/17/2007  5:17 PM
Assuming Dolan comes out, does a semi apology for his starphuch and says its a true rebuild now without Isiah, and that he is going to actually hire a real GM and let him have a plan to build a championship caliber team, instead of assembling misfitting talented, but flawed players-


will that be enough to instead of being upset at last nights loss, to instead be excited, but obviously disappointed?

Full disclosure- I have become a full on hater. I never wanted Isiah, but I've defended some of his moves - but I've had enough and there is no more.
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11/17/2007  5:24 PM
That's an interesting question. When Layden was fired, many embraced Isiah with open arms. They supported Isiah for years and now many have jumped ship. I think the next GM will be received with more skepticism. I think people will not bash right away, but neither will they jump for joy.
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11/17/2007  5:37 PM
It's not about hating. It's about giving someone a chance, and if you're not liking what you're seeing, then you have every right to criticize, if it's not bringing positive results. This was pretty much me right here:

Trade for Moochie Norris - Indifferent. Could have cared less.

Marbury trade - Happy about it. Gave him a chance, but it didn't do shizat for us and is now hurting us bad.

Tim Thomas/Nazr trade - Thought it was cool at first, but it started hurting at the start of the very next season.

Crawford trade - I hated bringing him in b/c I knew about his game, but I grew partial to him b/c he seemed like a good kid and he seemed to have some leadership qualities, but it also left us nowhere.

I liked Isiah drafting Ariza, could have cared less about Vin Baker.

So what was up to Isiah's first Summer and basically where we were left off in his first year. I knew something fishy was going on by the Winter, b/c I felt every move, besides the Ariza draft was quite questionable, and then he made a series of terrible moves after that, which kiled us.

And to think, I was THRILLED when Isiah first came in. Absolutely thrilled. All I could think of was him drafting T-Mac and Camby. I gave him all the chances in the world. He threw everyone away and deserves every bit of criticism from me, and deserves me wanting him to be gone, along with Marbury.

So yes, the next guy will get a chance, but if nothing comes of it, like Isiah's ways, then I'll be calling for his head too.
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Nalod
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11/17/2007  5:38 PM
I hated the Isiah hiring worse than layden. It was starphuching and only got worse. No substance.

Tell me we gonna go youthier and I can buy into that when Isiah is under the house. This is what I want to see with Isiahs crisp cuffs and his fly Bally's under the house:


Then lay it out for me what they gonna do. I don't want to starphuch trades with false prophets. That whole "isiah is the Messiah" crap was really bad news. I just want a philosophical ideal to be communicated and then I'll either buy into it or go buy a brooklyn nets hoodie and keep warm.
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11/17/2007  5:42 PM
If he brings in Magic Johnson no. If he brings in real basketball minds that either have a history of success at their position or a former Knick like Mark Jackson I will stop complaining. I was very excited when Isiah was hired. I could not believe how badly Layden had run the Knicks after being so successful in Utah. Thomas has done a much worse job. The Knicks were bad under Layden under Thomas they are bad, in turmoil, dysfunctional, and considered an unprofessional organization after legal action was taken against them. Layden didn't burn through hall of fame coaches either. The Knicks are laughingstocks and considered the worst run organization in professional sports.
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11/17/2007  5:47 PM
I hated Layden, but looking back, at least he had somewhat of a plan. To have a long veteran team, filled with class acts who play hard and know how to play. Very cool, but what about the basketball part?

Isiah just throws in whatever for very little reason. Just says he wants to be young and athletic, and then contradicts that by making dumb moves like Jerome, yada yada.

Layden had a better record but made this franchise poor. Isiah had a worse record and made this franchise a flat out joke.
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11/17/2007  5:53 PM
It's gonna take at least 3 years of no starphucking for the new GM to win me over. Otherwise, I'll be skeptical of any corporate run Knicks team
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11/17/2007  6:07 PM
I am going to give the new GM a clean slate if he is someone that has any credibility. We get Kiki or some other experienced GM, and I will be very happy, because I think we have some assests that a competent GM should be able to turn into a functioning team in 1-2 years. Really if you did nothing but got rid of Marbury and JJ1 and added a competent PG who knew how to run an offense (even someone as unheraled as Brevin Knight), I think this same team could easily win 40 games with a few lineup changes, i.e. giving more minutes to Nate, Balkman, Chandler, and Lee, and fewer minutes to Q, Crawford, and Curry
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11/17/2007  6:24 PM
Posted by franco12:

Assuming Dolan comes out, does a semi apology for his starphuch and says its a true rebuild now without Isiah, and that he is going to actually hire a real GM and let him have a plan to build a championship caliber team, instead of assembling misfitting talented, but flawed players-


will that be enough to instead of being upset at last nights loss, to instead be excited, but obviously disappointed?

Full disclosure- I have become a full on hater. I never wanted Isiah, but I've defended some of his moves - but I've had enough and there is no more.


Technically if Dolan were to go with a rebuild strategy I wouldn't mind Isiah remaining GM for a while. Thing is though, since he doesn't know how to build a team, he'd have to be replaced at some point anyway.

but I think a big reason why Isiah made some of the moves he made was because of Dolan/Mills compelling him to starphuck.

Thats one thing that makes me worry about this franchise. Even if Isiah goes, if Dolan influences the desicion making of the new GM in certain ways, I don't know how much better things would be.
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11/17/2007  6:46 PM
I was at the Garden last night to watch the Coaches vs. Cancer and during a timeout I was just looking around the rafters. I'm seeing all these banners and I'm seeing the dates on those banners. It's pathetic that this team hasn't won a championship since 1973, much less only been to 3 Eastern Conferences finals in that period. Thats 34 years!!

I want someone with a track-record of success. Nothing less. I'm tired of the way this franchise does things.

I'm not gonna be happy if Isiah is fired and another dumbass is hired. Give me someone Jerry West, give me Jerry Colangelo, give me someone from the Spurs. Just give me someone with a damn track-record.

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11/17/2007  6:50 PM


Three Puppets who need their strings "JERKED"

JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
Marv
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11/17/2007  7:06 PM
I don't hate isiah, steph or dolan.

I hate the way this team plays.
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11/17/2007  7:24 PM
I just wish this bad dream would end; the most likely way for that to happen is to fire Isiah. The baskebtall part aside, he's made the organization an embarrassment.

But, I have to say, whatever GM does come in here will have better assets to work with than Isiah had. That says something also.
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11/17/2007  8:53 PM
I just get the impression that there's something infecting the whole franchise. It starts with Dolan. He should hire an experienced GM, then keep his HANDS OFF, stay out of trade, player acquisition decisions.

Then we need to bring in players who will work hard and compliment each other. If I thought I saw that happening, I'd be more of a supporter. As it is, I've lost faith in Isiah Thomas, and what little faith I ever had in Marbury.

So I feel negative about Dolan, Thomas & Marbury. They comprise the face of today's Knicks. They are the "leadership."

Makes it pretty hard to support the current direction.



[Edited by - BasketballJones on 11-17-2007 20:54]
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islesfan
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11/17/2007  9:25 PM
I want, nay, demand reparations before I stop hating.
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11/17/2007  9:32 PM
The so called haters will stop hating for about 10 minutes, smoke a blunt, talk about how blowing it up is the right way to go, then immediately commence to bitching and moaning about why the team hasn't hit the 55 game mark in one season.

Then they will jump in their time machines, and go back 10-15 years to boo Patrick Ewing, John Starks, Mason, and Oakley.

Then they will jump back in their time machines, travel back to the present day, forget about how they booed Patrick Ewing, John Starks, Mason, and Oakley, and start reminiscing about them lovingly.

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 17-11-2007 9:33 PM]
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11/17/2007  9:45 PM
I'm going to jump into my time machine, and going back to the day after oohah was conceived, then I'm slipping his mom a "Morning After" pill.
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11/17/2007  10:27 PM
Posted by oohah:

The so called haters will stop hating for about 10 minutes, smoke a blunt, talk about how blowing it up is the right way to go, then immediately commence to bitching and moaning about why the team hasn't hit the 55 game mark in one season.

Then they will jump in their time machines, and go back 10-15 years to boo Patrick Ewing, John Starks, Mason, and Oakley.

Then they will jump back in their time machines, travel back to the present day, forget about how they booed Patrick Ewing, John Starks, Mason, and Oakley, and start reminiscing about them lovingly.

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 17-11-2007 9:33 PM]

Way to generalize, bro.....
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Nalod
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11/17/2007  10:38 PM
Whats with all the Mark Jax talk? What he done other than talk?
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11/17/2007  11:27 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

I just get the impression that there's something infecting the whole franchise. It starts with Dolan. He should hire an experienced GM, then keep his HANDS OFF, stay out of trade, player acquisition decisions.
[Edited by - BasketballJones on 11-17-2007 20:54]

I agree 100%.
If/When Isiah is fired, will the haters stop hating?

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