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Sheridan: Does Marbury have any trade value? Yes, actually
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fishmike
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11/14/2007  8:08 AM
Maybe the Stephon Marbury-Isiah Thomas feud blows over after a few hours, or maybe after a few days.


But maybe it doesn't.


In that case, the question for the New York Knicks is: Can we trade him?


Marbury's shoes may be a big hit on the market, but is he?

The common belief is that Marbury's contract, which pays him $19.2 million this season and a guaranteed $21.1 million next season, makes him untradeable. But there is another way to look at it, and from a certain perspective the thing that makes Marbury so unattractive is the very same factor that makes him attractive -- his contract.


Here's why:


If you are the owner or the general manager of a team looking to rebuild, one of the best assets you can have is a contract worth $21.1 million coming off your salary cap in the summer of 2009 when there will be a bumper crop of free agents that could include many of the players from the 2004 draft class who did not agree to contract extensions prior to the Oct. 31 deadline, including Andre Iguodala, Emeka Okafor, Luol Deng and Ben Gordon.


And we would be remiss if we didn't mention the fact that Kobe Bryant also has the right to opt out of his contract in the summer of 2009 and become an unrestricted free agent -- as do Jermaine O'Neal, Richard Hamilton and Al Harrington.


So, in theory, it would come down to a question of whether a team could suffer through two years of paying Stephon Marbury (or buying him out) in order to have financial freedom 20 months down the road.


And don't forget, teams that have cap space in the summer of 2009 can find ways to maintain that space for the summer of 2010, when LeBron James and Dwyane Wade both become unrestricted.


So, you see, Marbury actually does have some value, and there are even a couple of instances where he might even be able to help currently contending teams looking to shed bad contracts.


With that premise in mind, here are four trades that work under the salary cap rules and would make differing degrees of sense for all teams involved (keep in mind that we're operating under the assumption that the Knicks would have to be 100 percent committed to getting rid of Marbury in order for them to stomach these deals):


Trade No. 1
Marbury, Renaldo Balkman and Fred Jones to Cleveland for Larry Hughes, Anderson Varejao and Damon Jones


The Knicks gain some perimeter defense and add a frontcourt player who can actually play a little defense. The Cavs get a true point guard along with an energy forward, Balkman, to replace Varejao, and they get rid of their $13.65 million obligation to Hughes for the 2009-10 season, allowing them to become major players in free agency the summer before James' contract expires.


Trade No. 2
Marbury, Balkman and Randolph Morris to Sacramento for Ron Artest, Kenny Thomas and Shareef Abdur-Rahim


Knicks fans will be wondering why Mike Bibby isn't in this deal, and the answer is this: If and when the Kings trade Bibby, they'll want a heck of a lot more long-term value than an expiring contract. This deal makes sense for Sacramento because it gets them out from under the $17.3 million they owe Thomas for '08-09 and '09-10 and the $12.8 million they owe Abdur-Rahim over those same two seasons. The Knicks like it because they get Artest without having to surrender David Lee.


Trade No. 3
Marbury, Jared Jeffries, Morris and Mardy Collins to Denver for Kenyon Martin, J.R. Smith, Eduardo Najera and Linas Kleiza


Again, you have to look at the attraction to the Nuggets of being able to get rid of Martin's contract, which pays him $59 million over this season and the next three, while also being able to pair Marbury in the backcourt with Allen Iverson. Smith and Kleiza are both better 3-point shooters than anyone the Knicks have now, and Najera could be subsequently dealt for a serviceable point guard.


Trade No. 4
Marbury, Morris and Jones to Minnesota for Marko Jaric, Theo Ratliff and Mark Madsen


This is about the stupidest trade the Knicks could possibly make, so therefore (based upon their ownership's track record) we cannot unilaterally discount it as a possibility. The Wolves would be ecstatic to get out from under their contract with Jaric, which pays him $6.6 million next season, $7.1 million in '09-10 and $7.6 million in '10-11. They'd also shed the $7.7 million they owe Madsen for the rest of this season and the next two.
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Bonn1997
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11/14/2007  8:30 AM
Trade No. 1
Marbury, Renaldo Balkman and Fred Jones to Cleveland for Larry Hughes, Anderson Varejao and Damon Jones


The Knicks gain some perimeter defense and add a frontcourt player who can actually play a little defense. The Cavs get a true point guard along with an energy forward, Balkman, to replace Varejao, and they get rid of their $13.65 million obligation to Hughes for the 2009-10 season, allowing them to become major players in free agency the summer before James' contract expires.
Did he just call Marbury a true point guard?!?!
TheGame
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11/14/2007  8:32 AM
None of these trades are worth it to me. We might as well just buy him out rather than take on long=term bad deals.
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11/14/2007  8:44 AM
Posted by TheGame:

None of these trades are worth it to me. We might as well just buy him out rather than take on long=term bad deals.

Ditto
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11/14/2007  9:09 AM
Buyout is the best way right now. I'm really starting to sour on Marbury. Why not come off the bench for the good of the team.
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11/14/2007  9:16 AM
Why bother to buy him out. Let him sit at home.
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martin
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11/14/2007  9:29 AM
Posted by BasketballJones:

Why bother to buy him out. Let him sit at home.

yup.
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Silverfuel
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11/14/2007  10:38 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by BasketballJones:

Why bother to buy him out. Let him sit at home.
yup.
Clear up a spot, not have the Marbury question asked everytime they do media, send a message to the rest of the team...
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MS
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11/14/2007  11:16 AM
Agreed I'm sick and tired of those dip ****s getting bought out to sign for more money, just not fair let him sit home which is probably what he wants to do anyway.

Fucking absurd that this little bitch cries because he isn't starting and just leaves the team, that should be a 10 game suspension without pay, but the knicks will just welcome him back i'm sure
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11/14/2007  11:24 AM
I'd rather buy him out than make those horrible deals. Those are the kind of deals that drove Scott Layden out of here.

The fact that every writer states how an expiring contract is valuable to other teams is maddening.

We are the ones that need to rebuild.

We are the ones that need players like those that will be avaliable in '09 and '10.

Keep or buyout Marbury, but dont trade him in such horrible deals.
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11/14/2007  11:31 AM
I hope and pray that we close the pursestrings.

No more trading for long term contracts.
No more allowing Zeke to use the mid level exception.

We have the best PG in the league.
We have one center who was worth trading a whole lot for. We have another center worth 5 years and $29 million.
We have a low post 20-10 beast in Zach Randolph.
We have a defensive whiz worth 5 years and $30 million.
We do not need outside shooting, which is why we let Nichols go.

We have the highest payroll in the league.

If the Knicks can't win with all of the above. The last thing you would want to do is to let the same management that constructed this roster bein charge of blowing it up and rebuilding.

They made this bed. Time to take a nice long nap in it, no?


Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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11/14/2007  1:42 PM
Marbury for any deal for artest would be a waste.

The ultimate team would have Artest with Marbury. That is one nutty team I'd like to see. A zany mixture of volitle elements that might be good to watch.
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11/14/2007  1:51 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by martin:
Posted by BasketballJones:

Why bother to buy him out. Let him sit at home.
yup.
Clear up a spot, not have the Marbury question asked everytime they do media, send a message to the rest of the team...

if the knicks wanted extra spots they would have bought out Big Fat by now.
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martin
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11/14/2007  1:54 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Marbury for any deal for artest would be a waste.

The ultimate team would have Artest with Marbury. That is one nutty team I'd like to see. A zany mixture of volitle elements that might be good to watch.

only if we could do cage-match presentations at halftime.
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11/14/2007  2:15 PM
those trades all suck. Varejao is a hairy monster i don't want him. and who replaces the guard position in any of the trades? this is just hype from espn trying to pull a different angle.
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11/14/2007  2:47 PM
the only thing that might help those trades is if we got back some first round picks.
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11/14/2007  4:22 PM
let us not repeat the mistakes of Jalen Rose and Mo Taylor.

Make Marbury play or sit on the bench. That's what he gets paid for. He can work
concessions if he wants to.

Let the contract expire.

I was a big fan but if he really is that big of an *** his only use is in money being taken off the books after the 08-09 season.
Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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11/14/2007  4:41 PM
there are a couple players that we could feasibly trade Marbury for... unfortunately they're already members of our team.
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11/14/2007  4:44 PM
Trade Proposal:

Knicks get
Stephon Marbury
Eddie Curry

Knicks get:
Zach Randolph
Jamal Crawford
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11/14/2007  5:03 PM
GENIUS!
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Sheridan: Does Marbury have any trade value? Yes, actually

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