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Andrew
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7/30/2001  10:13 PM
Now that Rafer Alston has officially signed with the Bucks, we can set our sights on someone new. Problem is, there really are no quality free agent point guards out there. I'm still thinking the Knicks will be hurting if they don't get a quick PG to help them with the 8 sec backcourt rule. The report out of Seattle is that they will most likely sign Shammond with Emanual Davis going to Atlanta. I'm not happy with MJ and Ward for next year.
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7/31/2001  1:49 PM
I thought the Knick's biggest mistake last year was trading Childs for Jackson. Jackson's a better offensive point guard, but Childs is a better defender, and usually comes through in the playoffs. Maybe if the Knicks don't trade Childs, they beat Toronto in the playoffs. The trade also clearly affected the Knick's chemistry.

And what's the deal with Brunson? I often wonder if these bench guys wouldn't play better if they got more time.
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7/31/2001  2:14 PM
I'm not a fan of Childs at all, it definatly benifited Toronto more than the Knicks. Absolutly agree with you 100% knickgeek.

Brunson...no quickness, no outside shot. The only reason he is on the team is that he puts in more practice time than any other Knick.
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7/31/2001  2:18 PM
I thought the Knick's biggest mistake last year was trading Childs for Jackson. Jackson's a better offensive point guard, but Childs is a better defender, and usually comes through in the playoffs. Maybe if the Knicks don't trade Childs, they beat Toronto in the playoffs. The trade also clearly affected the Knick's chemistry.

And what's the deal with Brunson? I often wonder if these bench guys wouldn't play better if they got more time.

I was sooo happy when the Childs-Jackson trade went down, but after that playoff run, Jackson seemed to be a big disappointment. I don't know how much of it was his playing or how much of it was JVG playbook, but Jackson didn't impress. In fact, his weaknesses seemed to be always on display - no outside shot, lack of D. But I guess I am still glad Childs is gone, no more bone head plays and drives to the hoop that end up as a missed layup.

Didn't the Knicks' chemistry pick up right after the trade for Jackson?
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7/31/2001  2:20 PM
Brunson...no quickness, no outside shot. The only reason he is on the team is that he puts in more practice time than any other Knick.

Plus he's designated laughing stock for having the corn-rows.
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7/31/2001  3:29 PM
I was sooo happy when the Childs-Jackson trade went down, but after that playoff run, Jackson seemed to be a big disappointment. I don't know how much of it was his playing or how much of it was JVG playbook, but Jackson didn't impress. In fact, his weaknesses seemed to be always on display - no outside shot, lack of D. But I guess I am still glad Childs is gone, no more bone head plays and drives to the hoop that end up as a missed layup.

Didn't the Knicks' chemistry pick up right after the trade for Jackson?

Don't get me wrong - I like Jackson, but he's never been a great defensive player, and defense is key to the Knicks success. I think that really hurt them. Maybe the chemistry improved on the offensive end - more dishing by everybody. (I hope we see more of that this year.)

As for JVG, I agree that he did not show much flexibility last year. He didn't seem to adapt his play calling to the situation.
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7/31/2001  7:43 PM
I think that GP would have fit in PERFECTLY with our boys. But dropping Spree would be ridiclious.

IS ANYONE ELSE REALLY, REALLY ANNOYED AT THE MOVES (or lack there-of)??? God, I have been a Knick fan since birth and now that I live in SF, I am a BIGGER fan. Now, with that said, I can't stand what they're doing. I read an article in the sporting news that compared the Knicks moves to the Lakers. It spoke about cap rules, only having 2 BIG contracts then filling the "holes" with smaller, role-playing guys. Our roster blows!! We have WAAAY too much money in guys that do not deserve it (this hurts, I know, but LJ, Rice--come on!)

Any suggestions?

Now that Rafer Alston has officially signed with the Bucks, we can set our sights on someone new. Problem is, there really are no quality free agent point guards out there. I'm still thinking the Knicks will be hurting if they don't get a quick PG to help them with the 8 sec backcourt rule. The report out of Seattle is that they will most likely sign Shammond with Emanual Davis going to Atlanta. I'm not happy with MJ and Ward for next year.
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12/1/2009  10:41 AM
At least we have seen *some* growth over the years... Andrew now knows how to spell point guard
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12/1/2009  10:46 AM
Damn! Originally posted 7/30/2001 and the problem is still here. Since then we had Howard Eisley, Dinglebury and now Dudu. When will the suffering end? I miss Charlie.
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12/1/2009  10:48 AM
fishmike wrote:At least we have seen *some* growth over the years... Andrew now knows how to spell point guard

10 years and we cant fix this problem--it seems like they cant get a C or a PG--or a good team---or a new owner

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12/1/2009  10:52 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
fishmike wrote:At least we have seen *some* growth over the years... Andrew now knows how to spell point guard

10 years and we cant fix this problem--it seems like they cant get a C or a PG--or a good team---or a new owner

That's what happens when your GM in consecutive order is Layden and then Popcorn man. I have faith in the Godfather. He can turn this around!!!! Please!!!
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12/1/2009  10:55 AM
NYKBocker wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
fishmike wrote:At least we have seen *some* growth over the years... Andrew now knows how to spell point guard

10 years and we cant fix this problem--it seems like they cant get a C or a PG--or a good team---or a new owner

That's what happens when your GM in consecutive order is Layden and then Popcorn man. I have faith in the Godfather. He can turn this around!!!! Please!!!

Unless LBJ walks through the MSG doors--I have very little faith

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12/1/2009  10:56 AM
He drafted Gallo and Hill. He isn't turning anything around. If we don't get Lebron we fail
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12/1/2009  10:58 AM
NYKBocker wrote:Damn! Originally posted 7/30/2001 and the problem is still here. Since then we had Howard Eisley, Dinglebury and now Dudu. When will the suffering end? I miss Charlie.

when the nets move to brooklyn - then you'll have a choice...
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12/1/2009  10:59 AM
And what's the deal with Brunson? I often wonder if these bench guys wouldn't play better if they got more time.

This is the best part -- a call for more Rick Brunson!

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12/1/2009  11:19 AM
Reality check - Curry is not tradeable with his bad ticker, chronic knee problems and bad history of laziness. Lebron or any other top tier max F.A. future H.O.F.'er in his prime isn't going to sign here unless we can sign two max F.A.'s which isn't going to happen unless we can move JJ skinny and/or Curry which is not likely to happen. JJ sucks and has a trade kicker/bad contract and Curry hasn't been able to play 4 games in a row without hurting his knee.

The good news is we should be able to sign 2-3 (if we don't have to overpay to get them here) good players and start to build a good team with a winning record. Once we have a solid core and are rid of JJ and Curry's contracts, we can then look to sign a big name FA and start to compete in the playoffs. Basically, it's a process and a business. As good as it would be for basketball and NYK fans to sign two max Fa's, one of them being LBJ, it's just not going to happen. Sorry, but reality hurts
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12/1/2009  11:45 AM
The sky is always falling around here. But a lot of these conjectures are based on assumptions about what motivates certain players. We will see what happens. But saying the Knicks will continue to suck because they have sucked is rather silly.
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12/1/2009  11:57 AM
All I know is that we will have a TON of options to remake this team so I'm gonna be interested to see how Donnie rebuilds this thing! We don't have to rely only on the FA market. Take a HUGE breath of fresh air cuz we don't know what it's like anymore to be able to make just about any deal you can think of due to having a ton of cap space. This ain't your Layden/zeke knicks anymore!
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12/1/2009  12:06 PM
Moonangie wrote:The sky is always falling around here. But a lot of these conjectures are based on assumptions about what motivates certain players. We will see what happens. But saying the Knicks will continue to suck because they have sucked is rather silly.
sadly thats the pattern in the NBA. There is no parity in this league and its very difficult to move from being an mediocre or poor team to one in the upper echelon. You can follow a good plan and still fail year after year. You can follow no plan and get a bit lucky when opportunity strikes.

I dont know what the Knicks are going to do next summer but I do know they have given themselves as good a chance as possible for a chance at the big turn around. Stern's last revenue report was very positive and the numbers were up. If that holds true the cap will NOT go down and the Knicks will have a good shot at signing two max earners.

I think one promising thing about this management is what they did w/ Douglas. They scouted a guy and paid a lot of money for the late pick to get him here. They are going to need to find more guys like that to fill out this roster next year.

Hopefully they can get a big long guy in this draft, or a 3-4 year CBB player that gets over looked because he's a 6'9 center. Someone like the big goofy lookin white guy from Notre Dame. I could totally see him being another Brad Miller in the NBA. Draft express has him listed as #62 in the top 100 prospects.
Sure.. he's not the next Shaq, but a skilled tough guy like that would look pretty good in this kind of line up:
pg Douglas
sg Joe Johnson
sf Lebron James
pf goofy white guy from ND
c Jordan Hill
bench: Gallo, Chandler

Besides... MDA always said LBJ would be a 4 in his lineup.

Walsh has made enough good moves in the past for me to be patient enough through next summer with him

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12/1/2009  12:08 PM
at least we had this guy for a little while.

After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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