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11/13/2007  2:09 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/13/sport...ref=slogin
Knicks Hope to Leave Bad Habits Behind When They Hit the Road

By HOWARD BECK
Published: November 13, 2007
The New York Times

A visit to the back right corner of the Knicks’ locker room usually provides a glimpse into the team’s state of affairs. Quentin Richardson, one of the most seasoned and secure veterans, resides there, dispensing brutal honesty when it is needed most.

It took only a few seconds Sunday evening to sense Richardson’s frustration and pain as the Knicks, five games into the season, struggled to shed their old, bad habits.

They had just frittered away a fourth-quarter lead and lost to the old and battered Miami Heat, 75-72. Stephon Marbury, their fading star point guard, had committed some of the most costly errors. Richardson missed the ending after injuring his right elbow. He was sore and testy and typically forthright.

“Forty-eight minutes, man; we’ve got to play hard for 48 minutes,” Richardson said in a low voice. “Stop turning the ball over as much, stop having little slip-ups here and there.”

It sounded like a review of the Knicks’ problems of the past several seasons.

“Yeah, at some point we’ve got to grow past them," Richardson said. “We haven’t got to that point yet, so we lose a game like this that we should have won.”

This was not an occasion for finger-pointing, but Richardson made it clear that the Knicks still have trouble following directions, which might have accounted for some of the late turnovers.

“We’ve got to get to that level of maturity with our focus,” he said. “We’ve got to do what Coach says, the plays he runs, when he calls them. We’ve got to be able to run them and execute them, like other teams do against us. No reason we can’t do the same thing.”

A 2-3 start to the season is hardly catastrophic, but the warning signs are there and the schedule is not friendly. The Knicks departed yesterday for Phoenix, where they open a tough four-games-in-five-nights trip tonight. The Suns are 5-2 and again a contender in the Western Conference. Tomorrow night, the Knicks play the Los Angeles Clippers, who are off to a surprising 4-2 start. After a one-day break, the Knicks finish the trip with back-to-back games in Sacramento (2-4) and Denver (4-3).

The Knicks could open the trip without two starters. Zach Randolph missed Sunday’s game because of the death of his grandmother, and the team has given no indication about when he could return. Richardson’s elbow could keep him out.

In a lineup thick with 20-point scorers and presumed franchise players, Randolph has already made himself indispensable. He is averaging 20.3 points and 13.5 rebounds and had a double-double in each of his four games.

“He’s missed a lot,” Marbury acknowledged. “You got two guys who can score in the post, it makes the game so much easier for us.”

The other post scorer is Eddy Curry, who faded badly in his marquee matchup with Shaquille O’Neal. Curry had 19 points, but only 7 after the first quarter and 2 in the fourth. He all but disappeared in the fourth quarter after picking up his fifth foul.

Curry acknowledged missing Randolph, whose shooting range draws defenders out of the paint. David Lee (14 points and 14 rebounds) replaced some of Randolph’s production, but his limitations were evident as he missed 9 of 15 shots, many of them uncontested jumpers.

Randolph’s absence was noteworthy when Miami rallied from a 5-point deficit down the stretch. Udonis Haslem had six rebounds, a tip-in and a layup in the final 4 minutes 37 seconds. He had two offensive rebounds on one possession, a sequence in which Randolph might have been able to outmuscle him.

“It’s easy to say that when it happens,” Jamal Crawford said. “I’m sure he would have been in the crowd. Zach’s a great rebounder.”

Randolph also is not shy about shooting when the ball hits his palms, another quality the Knicks surely missed Sunday. Marbury, considered a franchise point guard when he arrived in 2004, has rarely delivered in key moments as a Knick. He came apart against the Heat, throwing a pass out of bounds and missing two 3-pointers in the final 4:09. On the final possession, Marbury was flummoxed by a quick trap at the top of the key; with more than four seconds left, he had time to find an open man but instead forced up a contested 3-pointer that missed badly.

The Knicks remain turnover-prone (38 combined in losses to Miami and Orlando) and defensively vulnerable — their opponents are shooting 46.6 percent and averaging 100.4 points. That was why Coach Isiah Thomas opened his rotation and played Mardy Collins and Fred Jones on Sunday, and it is why he continues to challenge his starters.

“Right now, we’ve got to get five, six guys who can stop the other guys from scoring 20 points on them,” Thomas said. “If we want to make the next step in this league, we’ve got to evolve to becoming better defenders, as opposed to being just great offensive players. And the challenge for me right now is, I have good defenders on the bench, and we may have to sacrifice some offense for some defense.”


Sounds like Q-Rich is calling out Steph and Jamal no doubt about it.


And I SAY UGH you can go Suck an Egg...... The Haters have only been begging for you to balance out this all offensive mentality low IQ rotation and sub in more defensive minded players who'll at least make the game tougher on the opponent.


Isn't it comical listening to I SAY UGH sound like a Hater?
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11/13/2007  8:58 AM
Can't find fault in anything Q is saying. It is too early to paninc but I don't like them losing in the same fashion as last year. Expecting them to learn from past mistakes is a reasonable expectation. If the blame is falling on the perimterer players then so be it.
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11/13/2007  9:18 AM
Notice how QRich is fed up with the team and is calling them out for their mistakes but Marbury and Crawford are singing the Isiah excuse line of not having Zach Randolph out there.

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11/13/2007  9:28 AM
In all fairness, Cosmic, Marbury said he was responsible for the loss. Regardless the guard play has gone through a 180 degree turn around from the first few games where they looked strong.
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11/13/2007  9:37 AM
Interesting when Q said we have to run the plays coach calls for us that is very telling. I think he's talking about the last play when marbury jacked up the 3 you know that wasent the play isiah drew up and if you listen to isiahs post game when they asked him about that play he was very annoyed and called it a "heave" and said the play was designed for marbury to drive and kick
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11/13/2007  9:55 AM
This team is a joke and anyone who supports our starting backcourt is the same. Those guys suck can't play defense on anyone, another year not making the playoffs why not just play nate, mardy, balkman heavy minutes and see what happens, give chandler some time, and pretend like we have a future instead of watching this joke of a team play ****ty d all night
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11/13/2007  9:56 AM
did q just say "we don't have a head out there?"
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11/13/2007  10:02 AM
Posted by PresIke:

In all fairness, Cosmic, Marbury said he was responsible for the loss. Regardless the guard play has gone through a 180 degree turn around from the first few games where they looked strong.

He does at times you are correct yet they're starting to seem like empty words since you just hear him take blame but then he does not seem to make an effort to change things for the better. He's clearly on his way out both mentally and physically. I still support the initial trade for him but I have not been happy with him since that first half season where Starbury led us to the playoffs. Since then we've seen BrownBury which was a failure and then RoleBury which failed and now BornAgainBury which is just the worst of it all. It's evident it is time to move on from the Marbury-Crawford back court. Marbury will be the first out the door I suppose.


As to the back court they looked good then they looked bad. They will look good again at times and look bad again at times.

It's always going to be a problem: Inconsistent play. That leads us right to an Inconsistent record.

This is why a ceiling of ~.500 play is a pretty good prediction for the team. After 3.75 years of just wishing to be .500 and sneak into the playoffs I think everyone's patience is wearing thin.

This west coast trip will be very telling of our team's pride and resolve.
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11/13/2007  10:06 AM
This is why it's so strange that fans support this current regime, Eddy and Jamal are serious important and they don't play defense don't put forth the effort every game and people think we have a future. We need to move both of these guys asap, and buyout marbury it's the only way things are going to get better
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11/13/2007  10:06 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

did q just say "we don't have a head out there?"

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11/13/2007  10:13 AM
Posted by MS:

This team is a joke and anyone who supports our starting backcourt is the same. Those guys suck can't play defense on anyone, another year not making the playoffs why not just play nate, mardy, balkman heavy minutes and see what happens, give chandler some time, and pretend like we have a future instead of watching this joke of a team play ****ty d all night

Again we are looking at one area, so many people say start Lee, or mardy and balkman. When those guys are in we cant score in a half court settings. We actually let Miami dictate the pace of the game, lee and balkman are good finshers, you should be running every chance you get with those guys( just like steph said).

The game should have never been that close to begin with, aside from the bone headed mistakes of Curry, and steph , we simply got out coach. The guys that came off the bench( fred jones and mardy) never really got a feel for the game, because not only did they not do a great job on defense the did a horrendous job on the offense. So the few minues they got turned out hurt more then anything. Did you see the look on fred jones face when he got yanked after what seem like 5 minutes.

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11/13/2007  10:17 AM
I think its evident that MarbCrawNate low IQ is very evident and uncoachable. Even Larry could not drill them into being coachable players.

You can't bring in boneheads to run the team. Craw is who he is but the other two are complete morons. Marbury is now disinterested and Nate is still tickled by God most of the time.
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11/13/2007  10:30 AM
Q is like Larry Johnson now. He is a lower 2nd tier player but he is a great leader and has some major heart. He is still probably a 6th man type right now.
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11/13/2007  11:07 AM
Posted by Elite:

Interesting when Q said we have to run the plays coach calls for us that is very telling. I think he's talking about the last play when marbury jacked up the 3 you know that wasent the play isiah drew up and if you listen to isiahs post game when they asked him about that play he was very annoyed and called it a "heave" and said the play was designed for marbury to drive and kick

What's interesting is I remember him saying the same thing during the LB year.
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11/13/2007  11:10 AM
Half our team only plays offense. Half our team only plays defense. Yet we marvel at the fact that we are inconsistent.
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11/13/2007  11:14 AM
Screw Q, dude is garbage always talking tuff from the locker room or the side lines. I don't why this guy gets respect, everybody got to change there game summer in and out, but this guy is still has the dribbling skills and passing skills of a Center. Maybe we would have less turnovers if we had a starting Smallforward with some guard skills like 100 percent of the league has.


Play Nate, JC and Collins at the three. The team will do much better when they don't play a point guard with the passing skills of a small forward and a small forward with the passing skills of a center.
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11/13/2007  11:29 AM
Posted by Anji:

Screw Q, dude is garbage always talking tuff from the locker room or the side lines. I don't why this guy gets respect, everybody got to change there game summer in and out, but this guy is still has the dribbling skills and passing skills of a Center. Maybe we would have less turnovers if we had a starting Smallforward with some guard skills like 100 percent of the league has.


Play Nate, JC and Collins at the three. The team will do much better when they don't play a point guard with the passing skills of a small forward and a small forward with the passing skills of a center.



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11/13/2007  11:31 AM
Posted by Anji:

Screw Q, dude is garbage always talking tuff from the locker room or the side lines. I don't why this guy gets respect, everybody got to change there game summer in and out, but this guy is still has the dribbling skills and passing skills of a Center. Maybe we would have less turnovers if we had a starting Smallforward with some guard skills like 100 percent of the league has.


Play Nate, JC and Collins at the three. The team will do much better when they don't play a point guard with the passing skills of a small forward and a small forward with the passing skills of a center.

anji, until we have a guy that can produce on the court AND be a leader, we have to make due with quentin. the team fell apart after lj was gone in 2001 and he was a broken down old man at that point.
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11/13/2007  11:32 AM
Posted by Cosmic:

Notice how QRich is fed up with the team and is calling them out for their mistakes but Marbury and Crawford are singing the Isiah excuse line of not having Zach Randolph out there.

Real leaders, real captains, don't make excuses for poor play.

Q got to pheonix the same year nash did and that team became one of the leagues best that year.. q knows how to win and he played with a Pg that is all about team.. Q is no fool, he is not buying into the BS, he knows that our backcourt is a mess and Isiah is allowing it to happen, I would be frustrated also..

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11/13/2007  11:34 AM
Q doesn't get it. The Knicks problems are totally understandable if you know your history.

The biggest problem right out of the gate is Layden. He didn't do a good job as GM, and inflicted Eisley, Anderson, and Weatherspoon on the team. That set us back five years.

Then you had Don Cheney. He wasn't the greatest coach. That set us back three years.

Keith Van Horn was on the team. Two years.

Lenny Wilkins was senile. Three years.

Larry brown was treacherous and wanted Steve Francis and Jalen Rose. Seven years.


Layden Effect 5
Chaney Effect 3
Van Horn Effect 2
Lenny Wilkins 3
Larry Brown 7
Total 20


This calculation shows that it will take a minimum of twenty years from the time Layden took control until the Knicks can be a decent team again.

And that doesn't even take into account injuries. Injuries will add another six or seven years on top of that.

And don't forget booing. Each time the fans boo during a game, add another six months.

Based upon these calculations, I project that the Knicks will be good again in 2036.
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