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misterearl
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11/4/2007  9:16 AM
"You put the best people in who are playing well that night," Thomas said. "The focus is that game and winning that night and moving to the next game. I thought Nate was playing well, he had it going. He was playing well in all areas, so it was a judgment call."

"That unit was playing well so I just left them out on the floor," Thomas said. "Then we got into a point where [Cleveland] came back and I wanted to go back to that unit because it had extended and gave us the lead."

Help me understand the bias that Isiah shows towards his boy Marbury.

Help me understand why Marbury's reduced role must be only defined as a "benching" and not doing what's best for the team?
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11/4/2007  9:34 AM
I think the blush is off the rose.
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11/4/2007  9:49 AM
the bias, which may not have been display friday night, has been on display for 3 years. so one game and one comment doesn't change that tho marbury will become the scapegoat here as he is an easy target. isolating him and eventually removing him from the team will go a long way in rehabilitating the team's image. the stage is starting to be set-up for a non-amicable split between the two in a "mr. wonderful" paul orndorff/hulk hogan kind of way. don't you just love drama?

[Edited by - djsunyc on 11-04-2007 09:49 AM]
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11/4/2007  9:53 AM
We Know Drama

dj - what about last November when Marbury had a similar slow start and was shown the pine by his neighbor Zeke?

I think the primary difference is - the alternatives at guard are better than last November.

"Minutes are earned... "
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11/4/2007  9:56 AM
Posted by misterearl:

We Know Drama

dj - what about last November when Marbury had a similar slow start and was shown the pine by his neighbor Zeke?

I think the primary difference is - the alternatives at guard are better than last November.

"Minutes are earned... "

i think the extensive "booing" factor played into that decision as well from isiah. isiah's never really benched crawford (despite some horrendous shooting nights). he's never really benched eddy (despite some really poor defensive play) but he'll lay down the law on steph? i think it's easy for isiah to do that b/c steph is already viewed as the "devil" to alot of fans/media.
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11/4/2007  10:05 AM
Steph is The New Debbil

dj - you really think Isiah cares about the "booing" campaign being promoted in the press?

If so, you really think his Stephon-free rotations will be adjusted to placate the restless native New Yorkers?

Or is all that matters is the "W"?

Whatever motivational buttons Zeke needs to push, do you think a dose of that yucky Bobby Knight/Chuck Daly/Larry Brown "tear down" medicine is out of the question for any Knicks player?

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11/4/2007  10:09 AM
I was gonna start a similiar thread.

I had more than enough of Marbury. During the off-season, I tried giving him the benifit of the doubt because of his spiritual "awakening" and I stuck up for this dude when guys were clowning his cheap shoe crusade.....I still will support the dude as far as these things go.....

Hack, cough, blah......let me clear my throat......

This guy has got to go. He played ok but uninspired in his debute friday. He is supposed to be a new man and all that but he was still the same old marbs......is he even a starter anymore? I know its game one but this bastard just ended it for me. Its over.

I believe its nates time to shine. Give that man the reigns with his boy craw and lets go. Have collins back up nate and dun! I said it before man.......its ****ing over........nate robinson should be the starter.....tonight!

As far as isiah? I have no simpathy for the guy. I like the team and I like how he benched marbs.....but benching marbs? Come on man......enough is enough.....nate has been out playing marbs since he was drafted. Time to francis his ass.....better yet shandonize him.....

There is no excuse for the starting point guard not being "on point" when its opening night.

Now tonight its the home opener.....this mofo better rebound. Cuz im sick of his ****in ass right now.
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11/4/2007  10:13 AM
"this mofo better rebound. Cuz im sick of his ****in ass right now."

Enyspree - your calling Lebron a black bitch was uncalled for and WAY past what could be considered respectable dialogue

but hey, that's just me
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11/4/2007  12:00 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by misterearl:

We Know Drama

dj - what about last November when Marbury had a similar slow start and was shown the pine by his neighbor Zeke?

I think the primary difference is - the alternatives at guard are better than last November.

"Minutes are earned... "

i think the extensive "booing" factor played into that decision as well from isiah. isiah's never really benched crawford (despite some horrendous shooting nights). he's never really benched eddy (despite some really poor defensive play) but he'll lay down the law on steph? i think it's easy for isiah to do that b/c steph is already viewed as the "devil" to alot of fans/media.

Did Pat Riley bench Starks when his shooting was off. No. I think Isiah keeps Jamal in there because he is a play maker just as Starks was. Yes his defense is in question but if Crawford gets it going the Knicks stand a better chance at winning.
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11/4/2007  12:30 PM
VMart - excellent points. Shooters like Starks, and Jamal, can go cold. That's what shooters do.

Shooting slumps, which many coaches will allow players to shoot themselves OUT of, are a lot different than allowing a four-point play on the first defensive stand of the season or arguing with a ref while the ball is in play. Jamal may not be a noted defender but he he plays the game with an honest effort.

Jerking Eddy Curry in and out of the lineup was a Larry Brown tactic. Funny, the next season Zeke settles him in with patience, more consistent minutes and his most productive season as a 23 year old professional. Mr Curry also has a lot to learn... and is also showing subtle signs of continuing his growth alongside Zack Randolph.


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11/4/2007  12:38 PM
because Marbury sucks and Isiah knows his job is at stake? We can only speculate.

If we lose tonight it will be the fans fault for booing him
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11/4/2007  12:39 PM
Once Marbury made the "I'm going to play in Italy, my wife loves it there " off the wall comment.


Isiah knows steph 's mind is not about keeping isiah's job , but looking out for stephon marbury.

Nate has earned the minutes but the NBA has payed stephon so well the NBA is a business to some players, not a game of any real value to others.


[Edited by - playa2 on 05-11-2007 08:08]
JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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11/4/2007  1:08 PM
fishmike - c'mon, you know you are better than that. The media campaign to "boo" Isiah has absolutely nothing to do with the result of the game, but the pre-game introductions. The campaign to remind fans of the offseason judgement, and hold it on a pedetsal is valid for as long as it sells papers.

Here's the question for the day - Should there be a campaign to "boo" Isiah if the Knicks reel off 4 in a row... or should the game results even matter?

If the objective is to purge MSG of the the bad vibes and lack of 4 year results as of Janauary 08, why not let's all chant "Fire Isiah" after a Knicks victory?

Why?

Because if/when the Knicks slip up and happen to win a game, Anucha-Gate suddenly takes a back seat to what matters most to New Yorkers. Winning.

If we learned anything from Latrell Sprewell it is the amount of instant forgiveneness that can be allowed a dude who hits a mid range jumper (in his first shot no less) gets out on the break, plays with ferocity and dunks with anger.

Spree choking Carlissmo suddenly became a non-story.

Playoffs, here we come.
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11/4/2007  1:20 PM
Steph and Isiah relationship can become a drama.
But is it really the main problem of the Knicks?
Marbs the way he played is OK. And it is a big question if Nate or Mardy can do better.
Steph is not a star anymore. He is veteran role player and starter because we don't have better.


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11/4/2007  1:37 PM
Posted by arkrud:

Steph and Isiah relationship can become a drama.
But is it really the main problem of the Knicks?
Marbs the way he played is OK. And it is a big question if Nate or Mardy can do better.
Steph is not a star anymore. He is veteran role player and starter because we don't have better.

The KNicks have better than Marbury. They have better passers and better shooter and better defensive players than Marbury. He starts because of his past accomplishments and his hefty price tag. No matter what Isiah says about playing based on talent he plays mostly based on past accomplishments and salary. If you take a long hard look at Marbury his skills have declined he can no longer make layups, his outside shot has become suspect and now he misses FT too.

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11/4/2007  2:15 PM
Posted by misterearl:

"You put the best people in who are playing well that night," Thomas said. "The focus is that game and winning that night and moving to the next game. I thought Nate was playing well, he had it going. He was playing well in all areas, so it was a judgment call."

"That unit was playing well so I just left them out on the floor," Thomas said. "Then we got into a point where [Cleveland] came back and I wanted to go back to that unit because it had extended and gave us the lead."

Help me understand the bias that Isiah shows towards his boy Marbury.

Help me understand why Marbury's reduced role must be only defined as a "benching" and not doing what's best for the team?

3 1/2 yrs go by and now he's deciding to coach with accountability. This is right up there with giving Marbury for playing defense last yr. I love the schedule we're on when deciding to do things we're supposed to do in the first place.

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11/4/2007  2:58 PM
Earl why do you let yourself get baited by the haters...We all know Isiah has to win to save his job....Haters hate for the sake of hating...Isiah will put the best people in that he thinks will help him win the games...I tend to trust his judgment a touch more than some who post here..Let it go Earl....

[Edited by - holfresh on 11-04-2007 3:04 PM]
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11/4/2007  3:13 PM
Posted by holfresh:

Earl why do you let yourself get baited by the haters...We all know Isiah has to win to save his job....Haters hate for the sake of hating...Isiah will put the best people in that he thinks will help him win the games...I tend to trust his judgment a touch more than some who post here..Let it go Earl....

[Edited by - holfresh on 11-04-2007 3:04 PM]

Baited by the haters? Look at who started this thread, and the title. Then look at two of the comments in it:
Help me understand the bias that Isiah shows towards his boy Marbury.

Help me understand why Marbury's reduced role must be only defined as a "benching" and not doing what's best for the team?

Almost looks like this is bait for the haters...
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11/4/2007  3:20 PM
Posted by misterearl:

We Know Drama

dj - what about last November when Marbury had a similar slow start and was shown the pine by his neighbor Zeke?

I think the primary difference is - the alternatives at guard are better than last November.

"Minutes are earned... "

If IT can keep up the "minutes are earned" philosophy this year, we should be in pretty good shape. All signs point to him doing that, although it does worry me that while minutes are earned, roster spots aren't. Those you get by being owed large sums of cash.
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11/4/2007  3:28 PM
"how cum"...?


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