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TrueBlue
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11/2/2007  10:32 AM
Can anyone hear the glass cracking resonating throughout this team?


Is this equivalent to calling out a player in the press LB style?


http://www.nypost.com/seven/11022007/sports/knicks/isiah__steph_can_t_afford_another_nasty__41567.htm

ISIAH: STEPH CAN’T AFFORD ANOTHER NASTY NOVEMBER

By MARC BERMAN

November 2, 2007 -- CLEVELAND - Responding to Stephon Marbury's jarring remark that he will look for his shot more this season, Isiah Thomas warned the Knicks point guard he'd better not have as dreary a November as last season.

Thomas admitted yesterday he's encouraged Marbury to be more aggressive, feeling he played like a dead-point-guard-walking last November after reporting to camp out of shape. Marbury spent one game failing to take a shot - a performance that sparked a brief feud between the two Purchase, N.Y., neighbors.

Marbury's remark was a departure from his stance last season when he focused on stuffing the ball inside to Eddy Curry. With Zach Randolph aboard, there figures to be less chances for Starbury to be Starbury - attack and freelance.

Not so say Marbury and Thomas, the Hall of Fame point guard.

“I don't know how it [meshes] with Zach and Eddy, but I know the player we saw last November, we better not see that player this November," Thomas said. “He's a great player. In order for us to be effective he has to take shots that are available when those shots are open. In preseason, he and Jamal [Crawford] passed up a lot of shots."

Keeping Curry and Randolph happy appeared to be Marbury's biggest task this season. But on Wednesday Marbury said, “I'm looking way more for my shot this year than last year. When I'm aggressive it just opens things up for other players as opposed to me last year, I was sitting back. Last year what happened was the development of Eddy and Jamal. Now this year we can put everything together."
Marbury shot just 36 percent in preseason.

“He's a player when things break down, there's got to be a portion of the game when he gives those three- to four-minute bursts where he can take over the game, make a couple of shots that turns the whole basketball game around," Thomas said. “He started doing that late in the season for us. We need that player coming out of the gate."

The coaching staff believes the offense is more dangerous if Marbury remains a big threat, even as a decoy to free up their star big men. But Marbury's decision making will be paramount in making it work.


Extra blurb from the article
If Ron Artest is still available the Knicks would likely have to come off their stance of David Lee and Renaldo Balkman as untouchables. The Kings nearly received Bulls star Ben Gordon in a three-team Artest/Kobe Bryant trade.


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 11-02-2007 10:08 AM]
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
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11/2/2007  10:48 AM
What I've always said about Marbury still applies, we have to hope his mind evolves faster than his body deteriorates.

Of course I have less hope of that than ever.
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11/2/2007  10:58 AM
Of Course the fact that crawford shot 32% last november isn't mentioned by isiah, fire away
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11/2/2007  11:23 AM
Marbury I think only knows two ways of playing:

either "Starbury" or trying to evolveBury. Nothing in between.
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11/2/2007  11:33 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:

What I've always said about Marbury still applies, we have to hope his mind evolves faster than his body deteriorates.

Of course I have less hope of that than ever.

Say what you will about his mind, but at least it is housed in a huge dome that is SO shiny, you can see it from space.
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11/2/2007  11:47 AM
10 years in the league and not a clue as to how to play the PG position. His past and current coaches should all be shot............Except for LB of course.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 02-11-2007 11:48 AM]
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11/2/2007  11:52 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

10 years in the league and not a clue as to how to play the PG position. His past and current coaches should all be shot............Except for LB of course.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 02-11-2007 11:48 AM]

and Wilkens. I liked him.
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11/2/2007  11:56 AM
I demand an apology from Isiah and everyone else for blasting those that were upset with Marbury's start.
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11/2/2007  11:59 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Bippity10:

10 years in the league and not a clue as to how to play the PG position. His past and current coaches should all be shot............Except for LB of course.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 02-11-2007 11:48 AM]

and Wilkens. I liked him.

Okay, I liked him too. Let's be fair and say we won't shoot any Coach that coached Marbury before Larry Brown. I think that's the only fair way.


Disclaimer for oversensitive Lovers amongst us:
The above post was simply a joke. I do not condone the shooting of Isiah Thomas or any of Marbury's prior coaches. It was simply a joke to vent my frustration with Marbury's lack of development. I, like you, hope that Marbury will find a way to make things work and help us to kick asse in the East. So top your whining about who is and who isn't a hater and take it for what it is. A joke.
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11/2/2007  12:24 PM
quote:If Ron Artest is still available the Knicks would likely have to come off their stance of David Lee and Renaldo Balkman as untouchables. The Kings nearly received Bulls star Ben Gordon in a three-team Artest/Kobe Bryant trade.

LOL! exactly when were the Kings "close" to getting Ben Gordon for Ron Artest? because some newspaper said that was the rumor? ridiculous... if the Bulls want to be stupid & give up Ben Gordon for a powderkeg like Ronnie, then let them be idiots... that doesn't mean the Knicks need to follow suit (please don't put any bright ideas in Isiah's head please)... if we can't get Ron Artest for expiring contracts + Nate, then to tell w/the Kings.
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11/2/2007  12:45 PM
I don't think that's much a "call out" by Isiah at all. He was sure to mention that he thought Steph was a great player and he was just saying what Steph already knows and that's that he must play better this November than last. No big thing. Steph was garbage the first month of last year and he knows as well as anyone that he can't be again. Steph will get plenty of shot attempts when he needs to. I firmly believe that although getting the ball to Randolph and Curry should be the Knicks focal point, the boys play at their best when Marbury is playing aggressive and taking the ball strong to the hole when he gets the opportunity. Isiah is only reiterating what Marbury already knows. Tonight boys...
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11/2/2007  1:42 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

10 years in the league and not a clue as to how to play the PG position. His past and current coaches should all be shot............Except for LB of course.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 02-11-2007 11:48 AM]

IMO he should have never been a full time PG. Did Marbury ever have a pure PG to play along with to free him up to do what he does best?? If not why didn't any coach or gm do so?? The way Hinrich & Gordan have Chris Duhon, Gilbert Arenas has Antoinio Daniels, Barbosa has Steve Nash .
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11/2/2007  1:53 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

IMO he should have never been a full time PG. Did Marbury ever have a pure PG to play along with to free him up to do what he does best?? If not why didn't any coach or gm do so?? The way Hinrich & Gordan have Chris Duhon, Gilbert Arenas has Antoinio Daniels, Barbosa has Steve Nash .


What's funny is that after bballjones pulled up that old thread yesterday I toured some threads when Steph was newly arrived and people were trying to make the case he was better than Stockton.

We were mixing the koolaid pretty strong back in the day.
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11/2/2007  2:18 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

IMO he should have never been a full time PG. Did Marbury ever have a pure PG to play along with to free him up to do what he does best?? If not why didn't any coach or gm do so?? The way Hinrich & Gordan have Chris Duhon, Gilbert Arenas has Antoinio Daniels, Barbosa has Steve Nash .


What's funny is that after bballjones pulled up that old thread yesterday I toured some threads when Steph was newly arrived and people were trying to make the case he was better than Stockton.

We were mixing the koolaid pretty strong back in the day.

Thats newyork, when the love you they LOVE you, when they hate you they HATE you. Your either bigger than life, or a worst vilan than dark vador. Maybe they were only talking about his pick and roll ability. But even with that I wouldn't say there is an area where I can say that Marbury was better than Stockton. I mean the guy was shooting like 50% from the field, averaged about 11 assist a game, played excellent defense. Was tough as nails.

The same thing is going to happen to Curry here as well. We tried to establish him last season as our franchise player. He proved that he wasn't more than a low post role player. Since we now have Randolph the best thing for him would be to trade him to another team. Curry isn't going to be the defensive, rebounding, shotblocking player we need next to Randolph. So either we can try and force him to be something he is not, then bash him relentlessly for not being it. Or we can do whats best for both and trade him. Or trade Randolph for the pieces needed to put Curry in a position for strength rather than weakness. I would prefer the former.
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11/2/2007  2:24 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

IMO he should have never been a full time PG. Did Marbury ever have a pure PG to play along with to free him up to do what he does best?? If not why didn't any coach or gm do so?? The way Hinrich & Gordan have Chris Duhon, Gilbert Arenas has Antoinio Daniels, Barbosa has Steve Nash .


What's funny is that after bballjones pulled up that old thread yesterday I toured some threads when Steph was newly arrived and people were trying to make the case he was better than Stockton.

We were mixing the koolaid pretty strong back in the day.

And as usual, I was probably the voice of reason. At least I was on the MSG board before the mass migration to UK.
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11/2/2007  2:28 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

IMO he should have never been a full time PG. Did Marbury ever have a pure PG to play along with to free him up to do what he does best?? If not why didn't any coach or gm do so?? The way Hinrich & Gordan have Chris Duhon, Gilbert Arenas has Antoinio Daniels, Barbosa has Steve Nash .


What's funny is that after bballjones pulled up that old thread yesterday I toured some threads when Steph was newly arrived and people were trying to make the case he was better than Stockton.

We were mixing the koolaid pretty strong back in the day.

i was sippin on the kool-aid bigtime back then & i'm man enough to admit being completely wrong about Marbury... he's been a disaster in NY imo. (don't think i ever said he was better than Stockton though, but i could be wrong... i was pretty drunk off the Kool-aid at that point after suffering through several years of Layden & his moronic roster moves)
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11/2/2007  2:36 PM
I'm thinking back long and hard about it. I remember thinking that his failures at each stop were more coincidence than anything that he had done. I saw the talent and thought he might flourish coming back to New York. I thought it was a nice beginning to a new era. Other than that I can't really remember what I thought about the Knicks future prospects.
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11/2/2007  2:38 PM
Actually I've liked Marbury's demeanor lately...
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11/2/2007  2:53 PM
I didn't know much about Marbury when we traded for him truthfully. Never really watched him play at the time. I was sad that we traded away Lampe as well. New we traded to much at the time but didn't try to dwell on it. I thought Marbury & Houston was going to be very good though. And I thought that a few yrs down the road we would have been able to build a contending team around Marbury & Houston.
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11/2/2007  2:54 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

I didn't know much about Marbury when we traded for him truthfully. Never really watched him play at the time. I was sad that we traded away Lampe as well. New we traded to much at the time but didn't try to dwell on it. I thought Marbury & Houston was going to be very good though. And I thought that a few yrs down the road we would have been able to build a contending team around Marbury & Houston.

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DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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